How to make Books in FTM

[Josef Killinger]

Hi,

I own FTM 2006 and find the Function Books not clear to me.

Thought I can prodduce Reports und a full listing plus Tree-Reports in a
row, easily formatted to produce a Book that I can print out which
represents may whole Database on Paper.

But I am unable to find report who gives out all Data for all Persons stored
in the Database.

Any help ?

Mit besten Grüssen

Josef

[Nigel Bufton]

The Complete Genealogy Reporter (http://www.tcgr.bufton.org) was created because
there appears to be no other program that is able to produce a complete
narrative GEDCOM report. It has a 30-day "try before you buy" evaluation
period.

Nigel

"Josef Killinger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Hi,

I own FTM 2006 and find the Function Books not clear to me.

Thought I can prodduce Reports und a full listing plus Tree-Reports in a
row, easily formatted to produce a Book that I can print out which
represents may whole Database on Paper.

But I am unable to find report who gives out all Data for all Persons
stored in the Database.

Any help ?

Mit besten Grüssen

Josef

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:46:37 -0000, "Nigel Bufton" <[email protected]>
declaimed the following in soc.genealogy.computing:

The Complete Genealogy Reporter (http://www.tcgr.bufton.org) was created because
there appears to be no other program that is able to produce a complete
narrative GEDCOM report. It has a 30-day "try before you buy" evaluation
period.

That makes no sense at all...

GEDCOM (GEnealogical Data COMmunication) is a format that was
designed to permit the transfer of certain core data between genealogy
programs. There is no such thing as a "narrative GEDCOM report". All
user readable reports, from any program, is the result of applying
transforms using certain rules and templates on a database which /may/
have been loaded from a GEDCOM file.

The discontinued Ultimate Family Tree did have a "family journal"
report, which automatically determined the end-of-line ancestors for
each line, then produced chapters based on a descendent report for each
such end-of-line person (it took some tricks to /avoid/ having
non-family roles -- like the priest at a wedding -- show up as a "family
member with a chapter to himself").

TMG requires some games with filters and flags to identify the
end-of-line ancestors, but once they have been flagged, one can have it
produce a descendent report starting with each flagged individual.
{However, TMG's report writer is not the smartest -- UFT did
multi-passes to work out cross links from marriages, so regardless of
the order the families are processed, the children of marriages would
show up under the chapter with the surname; TMG only does
back-references; regardless of surname, the children [and descent from
them] show up in the first chapter referencing the parents, even if that
means "female A" married "male X" -- all the "X" children are in the "A"
surname chapter.}
--
bieber.genealogy Dennis Lee Bieber
HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/

[Jack]

Hi!

Look:
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Index.asp?mid=4A17Nvi

Also Deutsche, quite soon.
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyL ... id=4A17Nvi


"Josef Killinger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Hi,

I own FTM 2006 and find the Function Books not clear to me.

Thought I can prodduce Reports und a full listing plus Tree-Reports in a
row, easily formatted to produce a Book that I can print out which
represents may whole Database on Paper.

But I am unable to find report who gives out all Data for all Persons
stored in the Database.

Any help ?

Mit besten Grüssen

Josef

[krazy]

Instead of pushing another product why don't you try answering his
question about "How to make Books in FTM"?

Why can't people just answer a question as asked or if they do not
know do not reply to it or say "I do not know" instead of pushing
other things or products but not answering a question that was
asked?!?!?

These news groups are getting about useless as teats on a bull. A
person can not get a straight answer to a simple question anymore.

What if you went in a store to find out how something you brought
worked and the salesperson dragged out a bunch of other products and
told you to use them to do what you were trying to do with what you
had?? Hell why not just buy a separate prog to do trees and one for
charts and one for books etc etc etc. So what if you already have one
that is supposed to do all this but you just need some help figuring
it out.

Second thought - why the hell not ask in the news group where all
those moron are so helpful?!?!?!

The Complete Genealogy Reporter (http://www.tcgr.bufton.org) was created because
there appears to be no other program that is able to produce a complete
narrative GEDCOM report. It has a 30-day "try before you buy" evaluation
period.

Nigel

I own FTM 2006 and find the Function Books not clear to me.

Thought I can prodduce Reports und a full listing plus Tree-Reports in a
row, easily formatted to produce a Book that I can print out which
represents may whole Database on Paper.

But I am unable to find report who gives out all Data for all Persons
stored in the Database.

Any help ?

Mit besten Grüssen

Josef

[Charlie Hoffpauir]

On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:19:44 GMT, krazy <[email protected]> wrote:

Instead of pushing another product why don't you try answering his
question about "How to make Books in FTM"?

Why can't people just answer a question as asked or if they do not
know do not reply to it or say "I do not know" instead of pushing
other things or products but not answering a question that was
asked?!?!?
snip
I own FTM 2006 and find the Function Books not clear to me.

Thought I can prodduce Reports und a full listing plus Tree-Reports in a
row, easily formatted to produce a Book that I can print out which
represents may whole Database on Paper.

But I am unable to find report who gives out all Data for all Persons
stored in the Database.

Any help ?

Mit besten Grüssen

Josef

Good points...

I guess the answer is because it's very difficult to answer the
question as asked.

I used FTM for many years, and have produced many books.... but none
that includes "all Data for all persons stored in the database".
That's because it's impossible to do with FTM. (or was with the last
version I bought)

But FTM very easily makes many very useful books....

Books are generally designed to start with one person and include all
descendants, or start with one person and include all ancestors, and
FTM will produce either very nicely. In fact, that feature is why I
conitinued to use FTM for several years after I became thoroughly
disgusted with the way it kept source information.

If the OP would more clearly state his need(s), I'm sure there are
many FTM users here who would be willing to help. In the meantime, if
he really needs to include everyone in the database, then he'll really
need another program, and recommendations for other software to use
are really the most resonalbe advice he can expect.

Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

[singhals]

Josef Killinger wrote:

Hi,

I own FTM 2006 and find the Function Books not clear to me.

Thought I can prodduce Reports und a full listing plus Tree-Reports in a
row, easily formatted to produce a Book that I can print out which
represents may whole Database on Paper.

But I am unable to find report who gives out all Data for all Persons stored
in the Database.

Any help ?

Yes or no: The ONLY people in that database are related to
you by blood or marriage.

If yes, Charlie can help you.

Cheryl

[Paul Blair]

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:19:44 GMT, krazy <[email protected]> wrote:

Instead of pushing another product why don't you try answering his
question about "How to make Books in FTM"?

Why can't people just answer a question as asked or if they do not
know do not reply to it or say "I do not know" instead of pushing
other things or products but not answering a question that was
asked?!?!?
snip
I own FTM 2006 and find the Function Books not clear to me.

Thought I can prodduce Reports und a full listing plus Tree-Reports in a
row, easily formatted to produce a Book that I can print out which
represents may whole Database on Paper.

But I am unable to find report who gives out all Data for all Persons
stored in the Database.

Any help ?

Mit besten Grüssen

Josef

Good points...

I guess the answer is because it's very difficult to answer the
question as asked.

I used FTM for many years, and have produced many books.... but none
that includes "all Data for all persons stored in the database".
That's because it's impossible to do with FTM. (or was with the last
version I bought)

But FTM very easily makes many very useful books....

Books are generally designed to start with one person and include all
descendants, or start with one person and include all ancestors, and
FTM will produce either very nicely. In fact, that feature is why I
conitinued to use FTM for several years after I became thoroughly
disgusted with the way it kept source information.

If the OP would more clearly state his need(s), I'm sure there are
many FTM users here who would be willing to help. In the meantime, if
he really needs to include everyone in the database, then he'll really
need another program, and recommendations for other software to use
are really the most resonalbe advice he can expect.

Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

Well, I just typed a long reply, clicked Send and everything vanished
before my eyes. So I'll start again - and if you get 2 copies, my apologies!

The OP did his best to convey what he wanted, but I did go back and ask
him a bit more. I know I have been guilty of hoping for one button on
the screen that would do the entire job for me, but I can't find it
anywhere. So I had to think

FTM books are just a collection of the various reports already available
to users. As such, the book is not a lot of use, because it won't have
much form, and certainly not an index.

But you can use the proffered outputs to make a book.

Go back to the top(s) of your family lines, and select the
highest/oldest/patriarch in the tribe for each line. Make a "genealogy
report" (FTM's words) for he and his wife/partner, plus their children.
Just 2 generations. Get a copy of that, either from FTM or by
cutting/pasting to another application.

Repeat this on down the tree, 2 generations at a time. Add in the extra
notes/pics/diagrams you want, or remove things best not put into print.

Now, line up the generations, roughly by timeline. Cousins form a
"horizontal" line, second cousins...etc. Each line becomes a chapter in
your book.

For a time, the chapters kept getting exponentially bigger, but then
seemed to strike a balance as details of newer generations were not
available.

Now for an index.

In FTM, make a custom report, with one empty column at the right. Full
alpha list (include single+married names to taste) with some identifier
to help the reader - DOB, DOD, etc. Mine included places, too, and I
needed to turn it to landscape.

Use the empty column to index people to chapters (or pages, if you have
the patience). There is probably a better way of doing this (a word
processor?) but keep it simple, it makes things easier for the user.

For me, it turned out to be 250 pages. A reasonable size to handle. The
upside was that young and old could use it, no computer equipment
required. The downside was that it was out of date by the time the
printing was done. Ah well

Cheers

Paul

[Josef Killinger]

Hi Cheryl,

what I thought about as just I don't know how to do,
seems to be an inexistent function.

The Purpose of my question was,
to get an paper-based archive of all Data I put in the FTM-Database.

Because I want to have a copy of everything, beyond my direct relatives.

Unfortunately, FTM well known as very easy to use Software for reports,
doesn't show such function to have everything on Paper or File.
Btw. I didn't find such things like ALL-IN-ONE Reports in other Programs,
so it is still my preferred one.

I will try to export the Database as GEDCOM and import it to Program which
allows to produce a File of all Data.
Unfortunatley FTM does not export the pictures ( I expected to have a GEDCOM
File and a Folder with all Photos )

Does anybody know how to get the Pictures saved ?


While asking, let me brig in a further one.
To find who of my relatives is still alive ang get it on a report, I'd like
to find a function which works the following way. First give Person (i.e.
me) than find all ancestors in the Database and now now make a tree of all
descendants off all ancestors.

Does anyone know a program for this job ?

regards


Mit besten Grüssen

Josef

-----------------------
mailto:[email protected]

"singhals" <[email protected]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[email protected]...

Josef Killinger wrote:

Hi,

I own FTM 2006 and find the Function Books not clear to me.

Thought I can prodduce Reports und a full listing plus Tree-Reports in a
row, easily formatted to produce a Book that I can print out which
represents may whole Database on Paper.

But I am unable to find report who gives out all Data for all Persons
stored in the Database.

Any help ?

Yes or no: The ONLY people in that database are related to you by blood
or marriage.

If yes, Charlie can help you.

Cheryl

[Nigel Bufton]

The Complete Genealogy Reporter does what you need - it reports all
ancestors and descendents of ancestors for a specified "subject" individual.

Regarding FTM and picture images, it does not export this information to a
GEDCOM, as you have discovered. There are third-party products which will
import data directly from an FTM file - but I don't know if these will
import the pictures.

Nigel

"Josef Killinger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Hi Cheryl,

what I thought about as just I don't know how to do,
seems to be an inexistent function.

The Purpose of my question was,
to get an paper-based archive of all Data I put in the FTM-Database.

Because I want to have a copy of everything, beyond my direct relatives.

Unfortunately, FTM well known as very easy to use Software for reports,
doesn't show such function to have everything on Paper or File.
Btw. I didn't find such things like ALL-IN-ONE Reports in other Programs,
so it is still my preferred one.

I will try to export the Database as GEDCOM and import it to Program which
allows to produce a File of all Data.
Unfortunatley FTM does not export the pictures ( I expected to have a
GEDCOM File and a Folder with all Photos )

Does anybody know how to get the Pictures saved ?


While asking, let me brig in a further one.
To find who of my relatives is still alive ang get it on a report, I'd
like to find a function which works the following way. First give Person
(i.e. me) than find all ancestors in the Database and now now make a tree
of all descendants off all ancestors.

Does anyone know a program for this job ?

regards


Mit besten Grüssen

Josef

-----------------------
mailto:[email protected]

"singhals" <[email protected]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[email protected]...
Josef Killinger wrote:

Hi,

I own FTM 2006 and find the Function Books not clear to me.

Thought I can prodduce Reports und a full listing plus Tree-Reports in a
row, easily formatted to produce a Book that I can print out which
represents may whole Database on Paper.

But I am unable to find report who gives out all Data for all Persons
stored in the Database.

Any help ?

Yes or no: The ONLY people in that database are related to you by blood
or marriage.

If yes, Charlie can help you.

Cheryl

[Nigel Bufton]

It happens all the time. It's called an after market.

It you know of a program that is able to "do all this", please share the
knowledge. An evaluation of all the reporting options in all the major
programs has shown that none is able to do what the OP requested.

Nigel

"krazy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

...
What if you went in a store to find out how something you brought
worked and the salesperson dragged out a bunch of other products and
told you to use them to do what you were trying to do with what you
had?? Hell why not just buy a separate prog to do trees and one for
charts and one for books etc etc etc. So what if you already have one
that is supposed to do all this but you just need some help figuring
it out.
...

The Complete Genealogy Reporter (http://www.tcgr.bufton.org) was created because
there appears to be no other program that is able to produce a complete
narrative GEDCOM report. It has a 30-day "try before you buy" evaluation
period.

Nigel

I own FTM 2006 and find the Function Books not clear to me.

Thought I can prodduce Reports und a full listing plus Tree-Reports in a
row, easily formatted to produce a Book that I can print out which
represents may whole Database on Paper.

But I am unable to find report who gives out all Data for all Persons
stored in the Database.

Any help ?

Mit besten Grüssen

Josef

[Kerry Raymond]

The Complete Genealogy Reporter does what you need - it reports all
ancestors and descendents of ancestors for a specified "subject"
individual.

That's still not everyone in the FTM database though, which is the original
question.

The closest thing I can think of is using the FTM Batch Print firstly to
print the data using the Family Group Sheet and then doing the Scrapbooks.

So something like (the exact menu items will vary depend on which version of
FTM you have -- mine is FTM 2005):

View > Reports > Family Group Sheets

File > Batch Print Family Group Sheet (and follow the dialogue boxes)

View > Individual Scrapbook

File > Batch Print Scrapbook (and follow the dialogue boxes)

Of course, you might want to set your printer to be a PDF writer, or else
you will sacrifice a lot of trees.

Kerry

[Nigel Bufton]

That's still not everyone in the FTM database though, which is the
original question.

Actually, if you specify such, The Complete Genealogy Reporter will report
all extended relationships via marriages and adoptions, so everyone in the
database will be in the report unless they are completely disconnected from
the subject person. (The 2007 version, scheduled for release within four
weeks, will also optionally include additional report sections for
disconnected groups, thus reporting absolutely every individual in the
GEDCOM export from FTM, or any other program.)

Nigel

"Kerry Raymond" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

The Complete Genealogy Reporter does what you need - it reports all
ancestors and descendents of ancestors for a specified "subject"
individual.

That's still not everyone in the FTM database though, which is the
original question.

The closest thing I can think of is using the FTM Batch Print firstly to
print the data using the Family Group Sheet and then doing the Scrapbooks.

So something like (the exact menu items will vary depend on which version
of FTM you have -- mine is FTM 2005):

View > Reports > Family Group Sheets

File > Batch Print Family Group Sheet (and follow the dialogue boxes)

View > Individual Scrapbook

File > Batch Print Scrapbook (and follow the dialogue boxes)

Of course, you might want to set your printer to be a PDF writer, or else
you will sacrifice a lot of trees.

Kerry

[Hugh Watkins]

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:19:44 GMT, krazy <[email protected]> wrote:


Instead of pushing another product why don't you try answering his
question about "How to make Books in FTM"?

Why can't people just answer a question as asked or if they do not
know do not reply to it or say "I do not know" instead of pushing
other things or products but not answering a question that was
asked?!?!?

snip

I own FTM 2006 and find the Function Books not clear to me.

Thought I can prodduce Reports und a full listing plus Tree-Reports in a
row, easily formatted to produce a Book that I can print out which
represents may whole Database on Paper.

But I am unable to find report who gives out all Data for all Persons
stored in the Database.

Any help ?

Mit besten Grüssen

Josef


Good points...

I guess the answer is because it's very difficult to answer the
question as asked.

I used FTM for many years, and have produced many books.... but none
that includes "all Data for all persons stored in the database".
That's because it's impossible to do with FTM. (or was with the last
version I bought)

But FTM very easily makes many very useful books....

Books are generally designed to start with one person and include all
descendants, or start with one person and include all ancestors, and
FTM will produce either very nicely. In fact, that feature is why I
conitinued to use FTM for several years after I became thoroughly
disgusted with the way it kept source information.

If the OP would more clearly state his need(s), I'm sure there are
many FTM users here who would be willing to help. In the meantime, if
he really needs to include everyone in the database, then he'll really
need another program, and recommendations for other software to use
are really the most resonalbe advice he can expect.

Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

recent updates have greatly improved handing of sources in FTM 2006
(using the web upgrade to get FTM 16 - single cd flat pack is best
value) FTM 16 has more slight improvements to source dialogue box

I never bother with books
but share my data on line via wc.rootsweb.com
(see side bar in my blogs for some links)

best FTM advice is in the help menu and the online knowledge base
and
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=b ... mtreemaker




Hugh W

--


family history
http://hughw36.blogspot.com

[Charlie Hoffpauir]

On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 09:42:40 +0100, "Josef Killinger"
<[email protected]> wrote:

<SNIP>

I will try to export the Database as GEDCOM and import it to Program which
allows to produce a File of all Data.
Unfortunatley FTM does not export the pictures ( I expected to have a GEDCOM
File and a Folder with all Photos )

Does anybody know how to get the Pictures saved ?

SNIP

Other than just saving each picture from FTM, I'd recommend using
RootsMagic to import your FTM data file. RM will read and convert the
*.FTW file, and extract the photos into a folder on your hard drive.
You can then export a GEDCOM from RM, and find the photos linked from
the GEDCOM, which looks like what you want to achieve.

For your other question, a report that shows all descendants of all
ancestors.... I don't know of any program that does that, but FTM's
all-in-one tree comes pretty close.... but it's a chart not a report.

Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

[Nigel Bufton]

"Charlie Hoffpauir" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 09:42:40 +0100, "Josef Killinger"
[email protected]> wrote:

SNIP

For your other question, a report that shows all descendants of all
ancestors.... I don't know of any program that does that, but FTM's
all-in-one tree comes pretty close.... but it's a chart not a report.

"I don't know of any program that does that"
The Complete Genealogy Reporter does precisely that.

Nigel

[Charlie Hoffpauir]

On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:43:06 -0000, "Nigel Bufton" <[email protected]>
wrote:

<snip>

"I don't know of any program that does that"
The Complete Genealogy Reporter does precisely that.

Nigel

Thinks Nigel, now I know of one that reportedly does that.

Can we hear from someone *not* connected with the sale of the program
that can support Nigel's claim? Perhaps Josef would download Nigel's
program, test it, and report back to the newsgroup?



Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

[Charlie Hoffpauir]

On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:43:06 -0000, "Nigel Bufton" <[email protected]>
wrote:

"Charlie Hoffpauir" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 09:42:40 +0100, "Josef Killinger"
[email protected]> wrote:

SNIP

For your other question, a report that shows all descendants of all
ancestors.... I don't know of any program that does that, but FTM's
all-in-one tree comes pretty close.... but it's a chart not a report.

"I don't know of any program that does that"
The Complete Genealogy Reporter does precisely that.

Nigel

I downloaded The Complete Genealaogy Reporter (it has a 30 day trial
provision), and it really looks very good. Unfortunately, my GEDCOM
caused the program to crash. I've sent a copy of the GEDCOM to Nigel's
support email, and am awaiting recommendations.

My data file is quite large, since I track "all" descendants of the
founder of our surname, so I'm really not surprised there are problems
with it. I can't image anyone with a file this large trying to create
such an all-in-one report..... it seems more useful wtih much smaller
data sets, so I'm still looking for comments from other users.

Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 07:13:20 -0600, Charlie Hoffpauir
<[email protected]> declaimed the following in
soc.genealogy.computing:

For your other question, a report that shows all descendants of all
ancestors.... I don't know of any program that does that, but FTM's
all-in-one tree comes pretty close.... but it's a chart not a report.

The discontinued Ultimate Family Tree "Family Journal" report /was/

just that... By default it would determine all end-of-line ancestors,
and produce descendant registers from each EOL, with suitable
cross-references to (otherwise) repeated data when marriages occur. The
tricky part was getting UFT to /ignore/ people ("witnesses" like the
priest from a wedding. UFT would merrily create a one page surname
chapter for the priest.).

With The Master Genealogist, one has to first run a series of
filters to set an "EOL" flag (quick&dirty -- set the flag on any person
that has no father and no mother); THEN run a descendant journal report
specifying that starting individuals are those with the flag set (IOW,
TMG is running a set of reports)... TMG's cross-referencing, however, is
not the nicest -- it does not do forward references (you never see: ...
continued in XYZ when XYZ is a later chapter)... as a result, you
often get marriage lines continuing in the mothers surname line.
--
bieber.genealogy Dennis Lee Bieber
HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/

[singhals]

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

My data file is quite large, since I track "all" descendants of the
founder of our surname, so I'm really not surprised there are problems
with it. I can't image anyone with a file this large trying to create
such an all-in-one report..... it seems more useful wtih much smaller
data sets, so I'm still looking for comments from other users.

OK, I'll run a trial too. Since you've spotted problems
with big databases, I'll try one of my small ones.

DON'T! touch that dial!

Cheryl

[Charlie Hoffpauir]

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:51:52 -0500, singhals <[email protected]>
wrote:

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

My data file is quite large, since I track "all" descendants of the
founder of our surname, so I'm really not surprised there are problems
with it. I can't image anyone with a file this large trying to create
such an all-in-one report..... it seems more useful wtih much smaller
data sets, so I'm still looking for comments from other users.

OK, I'll run a trial too. Since you've spotted problems
with big databases, I'll try one of my small ones.

DON'T! touch that dial!

Cheryl

Nigel answered my e-mail to support with the comment that the latest
build (61102) corrects the problem my GEDCOM caused.... an attempt to
sort an index of over 32000 date items. The copy I downloaded (earlier
today) is labeled as build 61031.... so you might want to check the
number of what you download, and if necessary, wait for a copy of
61102 or later.

Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

[singhals]

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:51:52 -0500, singhals <[email protected]
wrote:


Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:


My data file is quite large, since I track "all" descendants of the
founder of our surname, so I'm really not surprised there are problems
with it. I can't image anyone with a file this large trying to create
such an all-in-one report..... it seems more useful wtih much smaller
data sets, so I'm still looking for comments from other users.

OK, I'll run a trial too. Since you've spotted problems
with big databases, I'll try one of my small ones.

DON'T! touch that dial!

Cheryl


Nigel answered my e-mail to support with the comment that the latest
build (61102) corrects the problem my GEDCOM caused.... an attempt to
sort an index of over 32000 date items. The copy I downloaded (earlier
today) is labeled as build 61031.... so you might want to check the
number of what you download, and if necessary, wait for a copy of
61102 or later.

Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

Too late, I snagged it, but the bug-fix said something about
it quit counting at 32000 somethings ... I couldn't tell if
it simply rolled the counter over to 0 or if it quit doing
whatever it was doing and said "to 'eck wid it, let's skip it."

Important: The choice is "All Connectable Individuals"
"All Relations" or "Direct Ancestors or Descendants Only."
"All Connectable Individuals" is a somewhat different
proposition than "every name".


Small database chosen:
1222 individuals, 380 marriages.

Analysis says: Individual I62 (xxxx mmm Sssss):
Could not reliably interpret date - "JAN"
It will be reported as: dated 'JAN'.
Family F23 contains one child but no parents.
Family F24 contains one child but no parents.

next report says 559 unconnected persons.

This report *did* include the children of ALL the husbands
of one lady, including the children(**) one of them had by a
previous wife(A) but it did not have the child that wife(A)
had by a previous husband. [yes that data was in the database.]

*IF* the print to paper version does what the print-to-file
version did, I don't see the point of the repetition of the
header:

1. DIRECT RELATIONS.
1. DIRECT RELATIONS
-------------------

IMO there should be an option that would allow me to
have "all connected ancestors" -- the Ancestors Only option
omitted the (**) children.

So far, it is _more_ inclusive than PAF's or GenBook's
output, but it still isn't _ALL_ inclusive.


Meanwhile, having (Conrad's five-times-great-grandaughter)
or (Conrad's great-great-great-grandson) or (Conrad's
son-in-law) or (Conrad's grandson by marriage) print out
for EACH of (1222-559) persons is a bit much to expect
anyone to read, including the proof-reader and you could
wear out a perfectly good mouse deleting it. (g)

YMMV

Cheryl

[Nigel Bufton]

"singhals" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:51:52 -0500, singhals <[email protected]
wrote:


Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:


My data file is quite large, since I track "all" descendants of the
founder of our surname, so I'm really not surprised there are problems
with it. I can't image anyone with a file this large trying to create
such an all-in-one report..... it seems more useful wtih much smaller
data sets, so I'm still looking for comments from other users.

OK, I'll run a trial too. Since you've spotted problems with big
databases, I'll try one of my small ones.

DON'T! touch that dial!

Cheryl


Nigel answered my e-mail to support with the comment that the latest
build (61102) corrects the problem my GEDCOM caused.... an attempt to
sort an index of over 32000 date items. The copy I downloaded (earlier
today) is labeled as build 61031.... so you might want to check the
number of what you download, and if necessary, wait for a copy of
61102 or later.

Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/


Too late, I snagged it, but the bug-fix said something about it quit
counting at 32000 somethings ... I couldn't tell if it simply rolled the
counter over to 0 or if it quit doing whatever it was doing and said "to
'eck wid it, let's skip it."

Important: The choice is "All Connectable Individuals"
"All Relations" or "Direct Ancestors or Descendants Only."
"All Connectable Individuals" is a somewhat different
proposition than "every name".


Small database chosen:
1222 individuals, 380 marriages.

Analysis says: Individual I62 (xxxx mmm Sssss):
Could not reliably interpret date - "JAN"
It will be reported as: dated 'JAN'.
Family F23 contains one child but no parents.
Family F24 contains one child but no parents.

next report says 559 unconnected persons.

This report *did* include the children of ALL the husbands
of one lady, including the children(**) one of them had by a
previous wife(A) but it did not have the child that wife(A)
had by a previous husband. [yes that data was in the database.]

*IF* the print to paper version does what the print-to-file
version did, I don't see the point of the repetition of the
header:

1. DIRECT RELATIONS.
1. DIRECT RELATIONS
-------------------

IMO there should be an option that would allow me to
have "all connected ancestors" -- the Ancestors Only option
omitted the (**) children.

So far, it is _more_ inclusive than PAF's or GenBook's
output, but it still isn't _ALL_ inclusive.


Meanwhile, having (Conrad's five-times-great-grandaughter)
or (Conrad's great-great-great-grandson) or (Conrad's
son-in-law) or (Conrad's grandson by marriage) print out
for EACH of (1222-559) persons is a bit much to expect
anyone to read, including the proof-reader and you could wear out a
perfectly good mouse deleting it. (g)

YMMV

Cheryl

The Complete Genealogy Reporter 2007, now released, will include all
unconnected individuals in the report (if specified), and it now includes an
option to suppress the relationship descriptions.

Nigel