Losonczi family of Transilvania

[M.Sjostrom]

--- Lucenec in Slovak.

At least that part is now solved to a presumably to a
satisfactory level of erudition:
Losoncz appears actually a Magyarization of a Slovak
place. Slovak is a west-slavic language, very close
with Czech, and not so far from Polish.
Thus, Losoncz as word does not need to mean anything
in Hungarian, it suffices that Lucenec means something
meaningful in slavic.

If a variety of families were "de Losoncz" (Slovak
version would probably be: ze Lucenec), it may as well
signify that they were "from" that place and built
their prominence elsewhere.

Transilvania and (eastern) Slovakia had long-term ties
in Middle Ages and early modern period. I would not be
at all surprised if the medieval Losonczi family came
from Lucenec, Slovakia, and rose to prominence in
northern Transilvania (?acquired a castle there...)

As to Magyar being close to Finnish, that is really
just a misconception. Most Hungarian names and words
are such that a Finn would not see or hear anything
familiar in them.
People should not confuse kinship of basic forms of
language, common only several thousands years earlier,
with familiar features of vocabulary (vocabulary and
renditions mutate fairly rapidly).




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[Renia]

M.Sjostrom wrote:

--- Lucenec in Slovak.

At least that part is now solved to a presumably to a
satisfactory level of erudition:
Losoncz appears actually a Magyarization of a Slovak
place. Slovak is a west-slavic language, very close
with Czech, and not so far from Polish.
Thus, Losoncz as word does not need to mean anything
in Hungarian, it suffices that Lucenec means something
meaningful in slavic.

If a variety of families were "de Losoncz" (Slovak
version would probably be: ze Lucenec), it may as well
signify that they were "from" that place and built
their prominence elsewhere.

Transilvania and (eastern) Slovakia had long-term ties
in Middle Ages and early modern period. I would not be
at all surprised if the medieval Losonczi family came
from Lucenec, Slovakia, and rose to prominence in
northern Transilvania (?acquired a castle there...)

As to Magyar being close to Finnish, that is really
just a misconception. Most Hungarian names and words
are such that a Finn would not see or hear anything
familiar in them.
People should not confuse kinship of basic forms of
language, common only several thousands years earlier,
with familiar features of vocabulary (vocabulary and
renditions mutate fairly rapidly).

I have a good friend who is Hungarian. It was she who told me Hungarian
and Finnish are close languages.

Losonczi looks more Polish than Czek. They are similar-sounding
languages, but read differently.