Post-nominals in FTW

[Paul Blair]

In Australia, there are a number of awards (eg university degrees) that
appear behind the full name of the recipient - eg Fred Nurk BCE
(Bachelor of Civil Engineering, a uni degree).

How do you put these into FTW so that they show up in their correct
place (as written above) not in the notes or someplace else.

Paul Blair

[Basketweaver]

Have you tried putting them after the name preceded by a comma
just as your would place Sr. or Jr.? Fred Nurk, BCE
Pam

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In Australia, there are a number of awards (eg university degrees) that
appear behind the full name of the recipient - eg Fred Nurk BCE (Bachelor
of Civil Engineering, a uni degree).

How do you put these into FTW so that they show up in their correct place
(as written above) not in the notes or someplace else.

Paul Blair

[singhals]

Paul Blair wrote:

In Australia, there are a number of awards (eg university degrees) that
appear behind the full name of the recipient - eg Fred Nurk BCE
(Bachelor of Civil Engineering, a uni degree).

How do you put these into FTW so that they show up in their correct
place (as written above) not in the notes or someplace else.

Paul Blair

In the Suffix box? At least, my old v of FTW has a suffix box. However
.... if I put it in there, it appears that he was BORN a BCE or an MFA or
PhD and we all know that's not true, so I like it in the NOTES. Then
again, adding the degress after a name is a British etiquette practice,
not an American, so it doesn't matter as much over here?

Cheryl

[Lesley Robertson]

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Paul Blair wrote:

In Australia, there are a number of awards (eg university degrees) that
appear behind the full name of the recipient - eg Fred Nurk BCE (Bachelor
of Civil Engineering, a uni degree).

How do you put these into FTW so that they show up in their correct place
(as written above) not in the notes or someplace else.

Paul Blair


In the Suffix box? At least, my old v of FTW has a suffix box. However
... if I put it in there, it appears that he was BORN a BCE or an MFA or
PhD and we all know that's not true, so I like it in the NOTES. Then
again, adding the degress after a name is a British etiquette practice,
not an American, so it doesn't matter as much over here?

It's not something I'd put with the name -after all, he/she wouldn't have

had it for his/her whole life - but FTM has a box for "degree" in the facts
list.
Lesley Robertson

[Doug McDonald]

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Paul Blair wrote:


In Australia, there are a number of awards (eg university degrees) that
appear behind the full name of the recipient - eg Fred Nurk BCE (Bachelor
of Civil Engineering, a uni degree).

How do you put these into FTW so that they show up in their correct place
(as written above) not in the notes or someplace else.

Paul Blair


In the Suffix box? At least, my old v of FTW has a suffix box. However
... if I put it in there, it appears that he was BORN a BCE or an MFA or
PhD and we all know that's not true, so I like it in the NOTES. Then
again, adding the degress after a name is a British etiquette practice,
not an American, so it doesn't matter as much over here?


It's not something I'd put with the name -after all, he/she wouldn't have
had it for his/her whole life - but FTM has a box for "degree" in the facts
list.
Lesley Robertson

Basically speaking, FTW simply does not do names and titles well
at all. Use a better program, such as Legacy. FTW also restructs you
to far too few letters in names, total. Try putting in the Prince of
Wales's full name and titles, for example. This is somthething you
should be able to do with no kludges.

Doug McDonald

[Lesley Robertson]

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Basically speaking, FTW simply does not do names and titles well
at all. Use a better program, such as Legacy. FTW also restructs you
to far too few letters in names, total. Try putting in the Prince of
Wales's full name and titles, for example. This is somthething you should
be able to do with no kludges.

He's not a relative of mine, so it wouldn't be useful to do so.
Lesley Robertson

[Paul Blair]

Lesley Robertson wrote:

"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]...

Basically speaking, FTW simply does not do names and titles well
at all. Use a better program, such as Legacy. FTW also restructs you
to far too few letters in names, total. Try putting in the Prince of
Wales's full name and titles, for example. This is somthething you should
be able to do with no kludges.


He's not a relative of mine, so it wouldn't be useful to do so.
Lesley Robertson

Thanks for all the suggestions.

The display of post-nominals is a selective thing, and needs the ability
to turn on or turn off. Adding them behind the name with a comma works,
but it is then hard wired. This is not in accordance with normal practice.

Apart from that, it seems there is no sensible way of doing this. It is
a practice used all over the world, but FTM doesn't think it important
to include.

I recently bought v12, replacing my old v8 version, and was disappointed
to see how little progress had been made with the software.

Paul Blair
Canberra
Australia

[Peter J Seymour]

Paul Blair wrote:

The display of post-nominals is a selective thing, and needs the ability
to turn on or turn off. Adding them behind the name with a comma works,
but it is then hard wired. This is not in accordance with normal practice.

Apart from that, it seems there is no sensible way of doing this. It is
a practice used all over the world, but FTM doesn't think it important
to include.

I recently bought v12, replacing my old v8 version, and was disappointed
to see how little progress had been made with the software.

Paul Blair
Canberra
Australia
Just checking: since for a particular person there could be multiple

surnames, multiple forenames and multiple titles/qualifications (pre, in
or post) not all of which would be relevant to a particular context, you
require the ability to control what is displayed. OK so far.
I am wondering what should be displayed when. Do you want the ability to
just switch selected items on or off for instance in advance of
producing a particular report, or do you want some sort of control
relative to context (Eg a qualification such as Doctor would not be
relevant at birth, only once achieved).
The essentials of this are already present in Gendatam Suite (not yet
released) but this could be an opportunity to make the control more
comprehensive.
If you feel like sharing, what are your total requirements on this?
(Apologies for drifting off-topic).
Regards
Peter
http://www.gendatam.co.uk

[Paul Blair]

Peter J Seymour wrote:

Paul Blair wrote:


The display of post-nominals is a selective thing, and needs the
ability to turn on or turn off. Adding them behind the name with a
comma works, but it is then hard wired. This is not in accordance with
normal practice.

Apart from that, it seems there is no sensible way of doing this. It
is a practice used all over the world, but FTM doesn't think it
important to include.

I recently bought v12, replacing my old v8 version, and was
disappointed to see how little progress had been made with the software.

Paul Blair
Canberra
Australia

Just checking: since for a particular person there could be multiple
surnames, multiple forenames and multiple titles/qualifications (pre, in
or post) not all of which would be relevant to a particular context, you
require the ability to control what is displayed. OK so far.
I am wondering what should be displayed when. Do you want the ability to
just switch selected items on or off for instance in advance of
producing a particular report, or do you want some sort of control
relative to context (Eg a qualification such as Doctor would not be
relevant at birth, only once achieved).
The essentials of this are already present in Gendatam Suite (not yet
released) but this could be an opportunity to make the control more
comprehensive.
If you feel like sharing, what are your total requirements on this?
(Apologies for drifting off-topic).
Regards
Peter
http://www.gendatam.co.uk

I see three forms of post-nominals

1. Educational - degrees, diplomas etc it could be a long list
2. Professional - learned bodies or associations etc
3. Honorary - awards handed out for being a good guy/gal

The first 2 should be able to be used or not used in whatever context
you choose. On screen. On output files. On paper. That's a big ask, but
I have professional friends whose post-nominals go for just less than 70
letters/periods/spaces...so there will be a time and a place to use
them. The last one, honorary, is useful sometimes (obits in particular)
so including/showing/not showing them is optional...they are more use
for helping track someone's career than flying the flag for them.

There also needs to be somewhere to tell users of the software what some
of the more unknown things are. The Notes section would be OK here, with
a link to prompt users to be thoughtful and explain obtuse references.

I believe that, in some places, some awards are considered to be part of
your name! So the software might need to discriminate between Smith and
OBE or MD.

Paul Blair
Canberra

[John Carruthers]

Paul Blair wrote:

I see three forms of post-nominals

1. Educational - degrees, diplomas etc it could be a long list
2. Professional - learned bodies or associations etc
3. Honorary - awards handed out for being a good guy/gal

I would suggest there is actually a fourth form: User Defined.

For example I keep track of which ancestors immigrated by entering
post-nominal information. An example would be John Smith, FER>NY. I use
Chapman Codes for counties, USPS codes for states, and Canada Post codes for
Canadian provinces.
John Carruthers
Victoria BC

[Peter J Seymour]

John Carruthers wrote:

Paul Blair wrote:

I see three forms of post-nominals

1. Educational - degrees, diplomas etc it could be a long list
2. Professional - learned bodies or associations etc
3. Honorary - awards handed out for being a good guy/gal


I would suggest there is actually a fourth form: User Defined.

For example I keep track of which ancestors immigrated by entering
post-nominal information. An example would be John Smith, FER>NY. I use
Chapman Codes for counties, USPS codes for states, and Canada Post codes for
Canadian provinces.
John Carruthers
Victoria BC

I can see this may make sense in a limited function program. In a better
equipped program this might be better recorded as an event or change of
address (or both), depending on what you mean by immigration.
Regards
Peter

[Paul Blair]

John Carruthers wrote:

Paul Blair wrote:

I see three forms of post-nominals

1. Educational - degrees, diplomas etc it could be a long list
2. Professional - learned bodies or associations etc
3. Honorary - awards handed out for being a good guy/gal


I would suggest there is actually a fourth form: User Defined.

For example I keep track of which ancestors immigrated by entering
post-nominal information. An example would be John Smith, FER>NY. I use
Chapman Codes for counties, USPS codes for states, and Canada Post codes for
Canadian provinces.
John Carruthers
Victoria BC

While I have suggested 3 categories, in practice the "space" doesn't
have to be so defined - it is just for the info you want to place there.
So a plain text field of maybe 60 chars would cover most eventualities
or uses.

Paul Blair

[CM Research Services]

Once upon a time, Paul Blair <[email protected]> wrote

I see three forms of post-nominals

1. Educational - degrees, diplomas etc it could be a long list
2. Professional - learned bodies or associations etc
3. Honorary - awards handed out for being a good guy/gal

And to confuse things, in Europe at least one post-nominal
is used pre-nominally!!

For interest, it's the European chartered engineering title, Eur Ing,
e.g. Eur Ing Andrew Brydon PhD MSc BA CEng MIEEE CBE
[Illustrative use only!]


Also, what about:
4. Enumerative - the addition of numerals after a name, typically in
America or royalty, e.g. William Gates III.
--
Andrew Brydon
CM Research Services
Opinions expressed ARE those of this facility... 'till I'm fired!

[Hugh Watkins]

I could write my name as Hugh Watkins LGSM LSRAM ARCM

but I would only do so on a business card or application for a job
I regard it as the height of bad taste to do such a thing out of a
professional context

put it all in the notes
it is only a record of a dog in a circus jumping through hoops you know

In genealogy we use birth data as the start of each file
I know the royal freaks add so much data to their names that FTM cannot
digest the gedcom

http://wc.rootsweb.com/

first name Christian X

I down loaded a ged for a demo and it overfloed FTM

Hugh W




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Once upon a time, Paul Blair <[email protected]> wrote

I see three forms of post-nominals

1. Educational - degrees, diplomas etc it could be a long list
2. Professional - learned bodies or associations etc
3. Honorary - awards handed out for being a good guy/gal

And to confuse things, in Europe at least one post-nominal
is used pre-nominally!!

For interest, it's the European chartered engineering title, Eur Ing,
e.g. Eur Ing Andrew Brydon PhD MSc BA CEng MIEEE CBE
[Illustrative use only!]


Also, what about:
4. Enumerative - the addition of numerals after a name, typically in
America or royalty, e.g. William Gates III.
--
Andrew Brydon
CM Research Services
Opinions expressed ARE those of this facility... 'till I'm fired!

[Paul Blair]

Hugh Watkins wrote:

I could write my name as Hugh Watkins LGSM LSRAM ARCM

but I would only do so on a business card or application for a job
I regard it as the height of bad taste to do such a thing out of a
professional context

put it all in the notes
it is only a record of a dog in a circus jumping through hoops you know

In genealogy we use birth data as the start of each file
I know the royal freaks add so much data to their names that FTM cannot
digest the gedcom

http://wc.rootsweb.com/

first name Christian X

I down loaded a ged for a demo and it overfloed FTM

Hugh W

Actually, Hugh, there are some countries who insist that you use award
post-nominals because, by law, they become part of your name.

Putting stuff into notes is *not* the way to handle it!

I doubt if FTM read these posts, to judge from the dreadful stuff they
are bringing to market.

Paul Blair