NBI 2nd Edition lookup please

[Dave]

Just wondered if there's somebody out there with the National Burial
Index (2nd Edition) willing to do a few lookups for me please.

Obviously I'd like to be contacted off list, but it'd be great if I
could supply the surnames, and I'd be happy with an exported *.html
file, compressed to save space.

Thankyou for your kindness.


Cheers
Dave

[William Bojanowski]

In article <[email protected]>,
Dave <[email protected]> wrote:

Just wondered if there's somebody out there with the National Burial
Index (2nd Edition) willing to do a few lookups for me please.

Obviously I'd like to be contacted off list, but it'd be great if I
could supply the surnames, and I'd be happy with an exported *.html
file, compressed to save space.

Thankyou for your kindness.


Cheers
Dave

What is the National Burial Index and where could I find it?

Thanks,
Bill

[Chris Watts]

"William Bojanowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

In article <[email protected]>,
Dave <[email protected]> wrote:

Just wondered if there's somebody out there with the National Burial
Index (2nd Edition) willing to do a few lookups for me please.

Obviously I'd like to be contacted off list, but it'd be great if I
could supply the surnames, and I'd be happy with an exported *.html
file, compressed to save space.

Thankyou for your kindness.


Cheers
Dave

What is the National Burial Index and where could I find it?

Thanks,
Bill

Anybody responding to the OP's request will be breaking the terms under
which they purchased the CD.
It is available for all to search, for a very modest charge, at
http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/

Chris

[Hugh Watkins]

the data is not copyright being rather old
only the format and collection is new and copyright

greed motivates too many FHS these days

Hugh W

On 7/19/05, Chris Watts <[email protected]> wrote:

"William Bojanowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
In article <[email protected]>,
Dave <[email protected]> wrote:

Just wondered if there's somebody out there with the National Burial
Index (2nd Edition) willing to do a few lookups for me please.

Obviously I'd like to be contacted off list, but it'd be great if I
could supply the surnames, and I'd be happy with an exported *.html
file, compressed to save space.

Thankyou for your kindness.


Cheers
Dave

What is the National Burial Index and where could I find it?

Thanks,
Bill

Anybody responding to the OP's request will be breaking the terms under
which they purchased the CD.
It is available for all to search, for a very modest charge, at
http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/

Chris

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[Chad Hanna]

In message <[email protected]>, Hugh Watkins
<[email protected]> writes

the data is not copyright being rather old
only the format and collection is new and copyright

Hi Hugh, you've really put your foot in your mouth this time!

It is arguable whether or not parish registers are copyright. Although
I'm not a lawyer, I believe those that had not been published prior to
the Copyright Designs and Patents Act of 1988 will be subject to the
transitional arrangements and copyright will expire in 2039 or
thereabouts.

There is also a definite copyright that accrues from the skill and
judgement used in creating transcripts and indexes.

greed motivates too many FHS these days

Hugh W
I'll try to be polite here in giving my personal opinion.

The Berkshire Family History Society and many other family history
societies are registered charities and monitored closely by the Charity
Commission to ensure their not-for-profit status. Money from our
publications and sales does go into running a research centre,
facilitating further project work and advocacy for family history.

I understand MyFamily.com Inc is a privately-owned stock company.
Definitely for profit although it, and its subsidiaries might like you
to think otherwise.

I can understand why Ancestry.co.uk (and others) are cherry-picking by
going after the census indexes rather than anything more difficult.
Census films are relatively easy to read, though there are many
exceptions. Quality can be 'planned' to ensure relatively quick
transcription with a few egregious errors (Portishead in Somalia!) that
can be overcome with the help of the natural redundancy of information
in households and the backup of images. Also census information is going
to be popular being both relatively recent (in FH terms), comprehensive
and easy to understand.

The National Burial Index is an attempt to complement the Baptisms and
Marriages in the IGI. Much of the information is from before the start
of English & Welsh civil registration in 1837 and transcription can be
very challenging. Much of it has been compiled and checked from original
parish registers in Record Offices up and down the country. Many will
ignore the necessity of trying to 'kill off' your ancestors.

Most, though not all, of the NBI is available on
http://www.FamilyHistoryOnline.net for a small fee (currently 6p a record). The
CDs provide many options the online service cannot easily provide.

I do think FHSs face many challenges, but greed is not one of them.

Chad
--
Chad Hanna
IT Manager Berkshire Family History Society http://www.berksfhs.org.uk
Systems Developer FamilyHistoryOnline http://www.familyhistoryonline.net
FreeBSD Apache MySQL Perl mod_perl

[Chris Watts]

"Chad Hanna" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

In message <[email protected]>, Hugh Watkins
[email protected]> writes
the data is not copyright being rather old
only the format and collection is new and copyright

Hi Hugh, you've really put your foot in your mouth this time!

It is arguable whether or not parish registers are copyright. Although
I'm not a lawyer, I believe those that had not been published prior to
the Copyright Designs and Patents Act of 1988 will be subject to the
transitional arrangements and copyright will expire in 2039 or
thereabouts.

There is also a definite copyright that accrues from the skill and
judgement used in creating transcripts and indexes.

greed motivates too many FHS these days

Hugh W
I'll try to be polite here in giving my personal opinion.

The Berkshire Family History Society and many other family history
societies are registered charities and monitored closely by the Charity
Commission to ensure their not-for-profit status. Money from our
publications and sales does go into running a research centre,
facilitating further project work and advocacy for family history.

I understand MyFamily.com Inc is a privately-owned stock company.
Definitely for profit although it, and its subsidiaries might like you
to think otherwise.

I can understand why Ancestry.co.uk (and others) are cherry-picking by
going after the census indexes rather than anything more difficult.
Census films are relatively easy to read, though there are many
exceptions. Quality can be 'planned' to ensure relatively quick
transcription with a few egregious errors (Portishead in Somalia!) that
can be overcome with the help of the natural redundancy of information
in households and the backup of images. Also census information is going
to be popular being both relatively recent (in FH terms), comprehensive
and easy to understand.

The National Burial Index is an attempt to complement the Baptisms and
Marriages in the IGI. Much of the information is from before the start
of English & Welsh civil registration in 1837 and transcription can be
very challenging. Much of it has been compiled and checked from original
parish registers in Record Offices up and down the country. Many will
ignore the necessity of trying to 'kill off' your ancestors.

Most, though not all, of the NBI is available on
http://www.FamilyHistoryOnline.net for a small fee (currently 6p a record). The
CDs provide many options the online service cannot easily provide.

I do think FHSs face many challenges, but greed is not one of them.

Chad
--
Chad Hanna
IT Manager Berkshire Family History Society http://www.berksfhs.org.uk
Systems Developer FamilyHistoryOnline http://www.familyhistoryonline.net
FreeBSD Apache MySQL Perl mod_perl

Chad:
An excellent reply to a very stupid, and ill-informed, posting by Hugh. I
don't know how you managed to be polite in your reply {:-(

The many FHSs that contributed to the creation of the NBI deserve recompense
so that they may continue to finance the vast amount of work that they still
have to do. They do not need others encouraging genealogists be parasites
and to steal the work of otherss. In this particular instance is 6p per
record exorbitant - I think not! The excellent cooperative element of
family history is, IMHO, about sharing not about being a parasite.

Chris

[Hugh Watkins]

FHS vary according to the quality of their membership

When you get a retired business man running the show he applies his
knowledge and skills to making money for his charity

Quite understandable

the fact that XYZ died on a certain date is public knowledge
a public event as are all BMD

Then fair use is argued endlessly

===================================
myfamilyinc are both making money and generous

look ups are positively encouraged and images may be sent privately at
any time to anyone

===========================
The danes have got a grant (archives from Culture Ministry) and are
digitisng all their parish registers up to 1891 so far
and the results are free to anyone in the world
http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/


http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/temp/2/1 ... 4-07-A.Tif
is page showing the death and burial of Hans Christian Andersen

census list
1787 Online 1855 Online 1801 Online 1860 Online 1834 Online 1880
pending 1840 Online 1890 pending 1845 pending 1916 pending
1850 Online
The other census folketællinger are not part of this project. (yet)
==================================

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
is the model where thousands of volunteers give their time

=================================

why don't the FHS follow that example?
I support http://www.britishorigins.com/ with my pensioner's shilling

why is the NBI not there?

my impression is another clique want to make money from it

http://www.ffhs.org.uk/General/Projects/NBIupgrades.htm
in fact I own a genuine copy of the First Edition, which was a waste
of money because Gwent is poorly represented
but then I was a newbie

http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/
which as a pay per view site

NBI - Gwent FHS 37 places (1813-1990)* 6,774 entries 10Feb2005
is still pathetic coverage

NBI - Nottinghamshire FHS 165 places (1533-1970)* 260,244 entries 21AUG2003
is more like it


"Visit our e-commerce shop"

says it all


Hugh W

On 7/20/05, Chris Watts <[email protected]> wrote:

"Chad Hanna" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
In message <[email protected]>, Hugh Watkins
[email protected]> writes
the data is not copyright being rather old
only the format and collection is new and copyright

Hi Hugh, you've really put your foot in your mouth this time!

It is arguable whether or not parish registers are copyright. Although
I'm not a lawyer, I believe those that had not been published prior to
the Copyright Designs and Patents Act of 1988 will be subject to the
transitional arrangements and copyright will expire in 2039 or
thereabouts.

There is also a definite copyright that accrues from the skill and
judgement used in creating transcripts and indexes.

greed motivates too many FHS these days

Hugh W
I'll try to be polite here in giving my personal opinion.

The Berkshire Family History Society and many other family history
societies are registered charities and monitored closely by the Charity
Commission to ensure their not-for-profit status. Money from our
publications and sales does go into running a research centre,
facilitating further project work and advocacy for family history.

I understand MyFamily.com Inc is a privately-owned stock company.
Definitely for profit although it, and its subsidiaries might like you
to think otherwise.

I can understand why Ancestry.co.uk (and others) are cherry-picking by
going after the census indexes rather than anything more difficult.
Census films are relatively easy to read, though there are many
exceptions. Quality can be 'planned' to ensure relatively quick
transcription with a few egregious errors (Portishead in Somalia!) that
can be overcome with the help of the natural redundancy of information
in households and the backup of images. Also census information is going
to be popular being both relatively recent (in FH terms), comprehensive
and easy to understand.

The National Burial Index is an attempt to complement the Baptisms and
Marriages in the IGI. Much of the information is from before the start
of English & Welsh civil registration in 1837 and transcription can be
very challenging. Much of it has been compiled and checked from original
parish registers in Record Offices up and down the country. Many will
ignore the necessity of trying to 'kill off' your ancestors.

Most, though not all, of the NBI is available on
http://www.FamilyHistoryOnline.net for a small fee (currently 6p a record). The
CDs provide many options the online service cannot easily provide.

I do think FHSs face many challenges, but greed is not one of them.

Chad
--
Chad Hanna
IT Manager Berkshire Family History Society http://www.berksfhs.org.uk
Systems Developer FamilyHistoryOnline http://www.familyhistoryonline.net
FreeBSD Apache MySQL Perl mod_perl

Chad:
An excellent reply to a very stupid, and ill-informed, posting by Hugh. I
don't know how you managed to be polite in your reply {:-(

The many FHSs that contributed to the creation of the NBI deserve recompense
so that they may continue to finance the vast amount of work that they still
have to do. They do not need others encouraging genealogists be parasites
and to steal the work of otherss. In this particular instance is 6p per
record exorbitant - I think not! The excellent cooperative element of
family history is, IMHO, about sharing not about being a parasite.

Chris

--
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=lapham
one-name study with over 2000 LAPHAM amongst 3800 individuals and 1000 marriages

soc_genealogy_britain_moderated
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sgbm?hl=en

My new photo blog
SNAPS http://slim2005.blogspot.com/

[Dave]

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:04:42 +0100, "Chris Watts"
<[email protected]> wrote:

The many FHSs that contributed to the creation of the NBI deserve recompense
so that they may continue to finance the vast amount of work that they still
have to do. They do not need others encouraging genealogists be parasites
and to steal the work of otherss. In this particular instance is 6p per
record exorbitant - I think not! The excellent cooperative element of
family history is, IMHO, about sharing not about being a parasite.

Talk about a storm in a tea cup, all over a simple request.

Rest assured I do not want to steal the work of others, or worse
still, parasitically leach data from them.
I have been a member of RAOGK for many years, and have helped hundreds
of people during that time, always going the extra mile for each
request. During 20 years of my own research, I have been a Co-Sysop
of a Genealogical Fidonet BBS, which anyone with experience will know,
incurred hefty long distance phone changes; I was happy providing this
service simply because I loved family history and helping other folk
do theirs.

Yes I admit my request may have been a bit naive as far as copyright
protection was concerned, but then it's easy to be led astray
especially when you see NBI has a file export feature.

The implication is there Chris that you think I'm a parasite which I
find offensive. I've been adviced of the error of my ways, and told
where the data can be sourced, so please, no lectures telling me I'm a
parasite, or that I may be encouraging genealogists to be parasites.

Regards
Dave