Outlook Express News Reader Problems

[Joe Pessarra]

Hi All,

This is not a genealogy question, but it is giving us trouble in accessing
the genealogy news groups, as well as other news groups.

We have been using Outlook Express for many years, but in the past two weeks
so, we have started having the following problem.

Normally when we access a news group, and the message headers are
downloaded, we get a note at the bottom of the screen which reads for
example, "10 message(s), 10 unread". We then proceed to read those messages
whose subjects interest us, then go to the next news group. Our options are
set to download only new headers, and when we leave the news group, we have
the option set to show all messages as having been read, so that when we
come back to that news group, we have the option set to show only unread
messages, and therefore get the new messages only.

Lately, we get the message as the bottom of the screen which reads, for
example, "10 message(s), 10 unread, 4 not downloaded." There seems to be
nothing we can do to get these 4 messages downloaded. The only option we
see that we have is to go to Edit, Get next 300 headers. But this does not
do the trick. Can someone tell us what is actually happening, or who we
could contact to get an answer.

Thanks a lot for any info.

Joe in Georgetown, Texas, USA
Return address is bogus.
Use [email protected]
to respond directly.

[Kathy Tabb]

"Joe Pessarra" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:GQece.327$iU6.179@okepread01...

Lately, we get the message as the bottom of the screen which
reads, for
example, "10 message(s), 10 unread, 4 not downloaded." There
seems to be
nothing we can do to get these 4 messages downloaded. The only
option we
see that we have is to go to Edit, Get next 300 headers. But
this does not
do the trick. Can someone tell us what is actually happening,
or who we
could contact to get an answer.

Yep, I'm having the same thing happen too. Hope someone will
post a reply to the group.

Kathy

[Robert Heiling]

Joe Pessarra wrote:

Hi All,

This is not a genealogy question, but it is giving us trouble in accessing
the genealogy news groups, as well as other news groups.

We have been using Outlook Express for many years, but in the past two weeks
so, we have started having the following problem.

Normally when we access a news group, and the message headers are
downloaded, we get a note at the bottom of the screen which reads for
example, "10 message(s), 10 unread". We then proceed to read those messages
whose subjects interest us, then go to the next news group. Our options are
set to download only new headers, and when we leave the news group, we have
the option set to show all messages as having been read, so that when we
come back to that news group, we have the option set to show only unread
messages, and therefore get the new messages only.

Hi Joe! - OE isn't the program that I use as my normal mail & newsreader
client, but I do have it here on my system for occasional testing. So I don't
pretend to be up to speed on OE problems, but I'll try to help. I'm running
Win2000 and since your version of OE is a higher number than mine, I suspect
that you are running WinXP, although that doesn't show in your headers.

Lately, we get the message as the bottom of the screen which reads, for
example, "10 message(s), 10 unread, 4 not downloaded." There seems to be
nothing we can do to get these 4 messages downloaded. The only option we
see that we have is to go to Edit, Get next 300 headers. But this does not
do the trick. Can someone tell us what is actually happening, or who we
could contact to get an answer.

I think you meant Tools-Get next . . . , but no matter. When it says
"downloaded", it surely means that the headers have been downloaded, but the
message bodies aren't downloaded until you select & read the message. You should
be able to tell if you're missing any messages in s.g.c by the fact that your
post is the last (before mine) in s.g.c unless somebody else posts before I do..

Now question: Suppose you have that 10, 10, & 4 situation. What happens if you
read the 10 or mark them read. Do you still see the 4 not downloaded like 0, 0,
& 4 per above? Does this problem ever occur in the genealogy newsgroups? or in
some other newsgroups that you follow? Would those occassionally have
attachments? Are you running Norton NAV?

Bob

[Joe Pessarra]

"Robert Heiling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Joe Pessarra wrote:

Hi All,

This is not a genealogy question, but it is giving us trouble in
accessing
the genealogy news groups, as well as other news groups.

We have been using Outlook Express for many years, but in the past two
weeks
or so, we have started having the following problem.

Normally when we access a news group, and the message headers are
downloaded, we get a note at the bottom of the screen which reads for
example, "10 message(s), 10 unread". We then proceed to read those
messages
whose subjects interest us, then go to the next news group. Our options
are
set to download only new headers, and when we leave the news group, we
have
the option set to show all messages as having been read, so that when we
come back to that news group, we have the option set to show only unread
messages, and therefore get the new messages only.

Hi Joe! - OE isn't the program that I use as my normal mail & newsreader
client, but I do have it here on my system for occasional testing. So I
don't
pretend to be up to speed on OE problems, but I'll try to help. I'm
running
Win2000 and since your version of OE is a higher number than mine, I
suspect
that you are running WinXP, although that doesn't show in your headers.

I am running Win2000.

Lately, we get the message as the bottom of the screen which reads, for
example, "10 message(s), 10 unread, 4 not downloaded." There seems to
be
nothing we can do to get these 4 messages downloaded. The only option
we
see that we have is to go to Edit, Get next 300 headers. But this does
not
do the trick. Can someone tell us what is actually happening, or who we
could contact to get an answer.

I think you meant Tools-Get next . . . , but no matter.

Ooops! Yes, I meant Tools-Get next 300 messages.

When it says
"downloaded", it surely means that the headers have been downloaded, but
the
message bodies aren't downloaded until you select & read the message.

That is the way I understand it.

You should
be able to tell if you're missing any messages in s.g.c by the fact that
your
post is the last (before mine) in s.g.c unless somebody else posts before
I do..

Yes, that is true. And Kathy Tabb did manage to get a post in just before
you, indicating she is having the same or similar problem.

Now question: Suppose you have that 10, 10, & 4 situation. What happens if
you
read the 10 or mark them read. Do you still see the 4 not downloaded like
0, 0,
& 4 per above?

As I indicated, whenever I leave the newsgroup, I use the option of marking
them all as read. And when I click on the next news group, the first news
group still shows 4 in blue with opening and closing parenthesis right
behind the title of the news group. If I go back to the first news group,
it then says 0,0,4, and the blue parenthetical 4 is still there, and my
screen says "There are no items in this view. Some items may be hidden
because a view is applied." And the option I have on View is "Hide read
messages." That is the option I use on all my normal reading of news
groups, unless I want to look back at messages whose headers I have already
downloaded and read.

Does this problem ever occur in the genealogy newsgroups? or in
some other newsgroups that you follow?

I am currently reading 10 genealogy news groups, 2 travel news groups, and 1
birding news group. I believe I have had this happen on every one of these
news groups.

Would those occassionally have
attachments?

None of the news groups that I monitor are supposed to have attachments.
But, certainly, someone may be posting with attachments as some sort of
spam, and my antivirus may not be allowing me to even download the header.
But, I doubt that.

Are you running Norton NAV?

I had been running Norton Antivirus for many years, but changed about 3
months ago to AVG Antivirus. But, this problem only started a couple of
weeks ago.

Bob

Thanks for taking a look at this for me. I appreciate any ideas I can get
on the subject. Just to clear up the news group listings, I have used the
option to "Catch Up", which wipes out the blue parenthetical numbers
relating to the "Messages not downloaded".

I just don't want to be missing any posts, especially those I am actively
working on.

Joe in Georgetown, Texas, USA
Return address is bogus.
Use [email protected]
to respond directly.

[Joe Pessarra]

Joe Pessarra wrote:

Message snipped.

Thanks for taking a look at this for me. I appreciate any ideas I can get
on the subject. Just to clear up the news group listings, I have used the
option to "Catch Up", which wipes out the blue parenthetical numbers
relating to the "Messages not downloaded".

I just don't want to be missing any posts, especially those I am actively
working on.

Joe in Georgetown, Texas, USA

Just went to news group rec.birds, where I was all caught up on reading
posts, and got "0 message(s), 0 unread, 13 not downloaded."

Joe in Georgetown, Texas, USA
Return address is bogus.
Use [email protected]
to respond directly.

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:58:10 -0500, "Joe Pessarra"
<[email protected]> declaimed the following in
soc.genealogy.computing:

Lately, we get the message as the bottom of the screen which reads, for
example, "10 message(s), 10 unread, 4 not downloaded." There seems to be
nothing we can do to get these 4 messages downloaded. The only option we
see that we have is to go to Edit, Get next 300 headers. But this does not
do the trick. Can someone tell us what is actually happening, or who we
could contact to get an answer.

I've never seen Outlook Express (My news readers have been tin,

grn, wvn, and full Agent). In Agent, I can set a parameter to not
download messages over a certain size, or those selected by certain kill
filters. Could either of those situations apply?

Alternatively: OE might be basing its count on the highest
message number downloaded. Messages might have been canceled (erased
from the server) leaving gaps in the message numbers. If you'd started
at message #XYZ, and ended at #XYZ+10, but four messages had been
canceled, maybe they are being counted as "not downloaded". {I also had
to set Agent, for one of the three servers I use, to "server creates
messages out of order" to ensure that I didn't miss any messages that
filled in gaps}

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[ninefeet]

In GQece.327$iU6.179@okepread01, Joe Pessarra <[email protected]> wrote:

[snip]

We have been using Outlook Express ....
[snip]
Lately, we get the message as the bottom of the screen which reads,
for example, "10 message(s), 10 unread, 4 not downloaded." There
seems to be nothing we can do to get these 4 messages downloaded.
The only option we see that we have is to go to Edit, Get next 300
headers. But this does not do the trick. Can someone tell us what
is actually happening, or who we could contact to get an answer.

What happens when you do "Tools=>Synchronize Newsgroup"?

john

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[Stephen SG]

"Joe Pessarra"

have a looked at your settings,
Stephen SG
To specify what you want to download

You can make all messages, only headers, or only new messages available for
offline viewing by changing the synchronization settings for IMAP, HTTP, or
news server folders.

1.. From the Folders list, select an IMAP server, an HTTP server, or a
news server.
2.. In the main window, select one or more folders or newsgroups.
3.. Click Settings, and then click to change the setting to one of the
following:
a.. All Messages
b.. New Messages Only
c.. Headers Only
If you do not want messages from a particular folder or newsgroup to be
downloaded, click Don't Synchronize.

4..

[Stephen SG]

Joe after further checking the way to resolve this problem is to, assuming
that you show "New Messages Only" against a particular news group.
By changing this to "All Messages". This will allow all the messages to be
downloaded. up to any restriction that you may have put
within tools< option < read tab, which "Specifies whether to download the
chosen number of messages when viewing a newsgroup or to download all
messages in the newsgroup."

I hope this will help.

Stephen SG

"Joe Pessarra" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:GQece.327$iU6.179@okepread01...
| Hi All,
|
| This is not a genealogy question, but it is giving us trouble in accessing
| the genealogy news groups, as well as other news groups.
|
| We have been using Outlook Express for many years, but in the past two
weeks
| so, we have started having the following problem.
|
| Normally when we access a news group, and the message headers are
| downloaded, we get a note at the bottom of the screen which reads for
| example, "10 message(s), 10 unread". We then proceed to read those
messages
| whose subjects interest us, then go to the next news group. Our options
are
| set to download only new headers, and when we leave the news group, we
have
| the option set to show all messages as having been read, so that when we
| come back to that news group, we have the option set to show only unread
| messages, and therefore get the new messages only.
|
| Lately, we get the message as the bottom of the screen which reads, for
| example, "10 message(s), 10 unread, 4 not downloaded." There seems to be
| nothing we can do to get these 4 messages downloaded. The only option we
| see that we have is to go to Edit, Get next 300 headers. But this does
not
| do the trick. Can someone tell us what is actually happening, or who we
| could contact to get an answer.
|
| Thanks a lot for any info.
|
| Joe in Georgetown, Texas, USA
| Return address is bogus.
| Use [email protected]
| to respond directly.
|
|

[Helen Castle]

I have used OEX for about 10 years to read newsgroups - used to be Internet
Mail - I cant reproduce what you are saying. I understand what you mean but
cant reproduce it.

I have on occassion had times when I cant see the unread email and nothing I
do fixes it - I generally read up on all I can, delete the account and
download all new messages. If all else fails this might be an option.
Unsubscribing and resubscribing might help but you have to download all the
messages again.

Once I have downloaded all the messages again I hit catch up and hope that
the one or two emails I missed were not my 3rd cousin twice removed who had
30 seconds to send an email to me with her phone number and will never log
on again.

Helen Castle
Narangba Qld
"Joe Pessarra" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:GQece.327$iU6.179@okepread01...

Hi All,

This is not a genealogy question, but it is giving us trouble in accessing
the genealogy news groups, as well as other news groups.

We have been using Outlook Express for many years, but in the past two
weeks
so, we have started having the following problem.

Normally when we access a news group, and the message headers are
downloaded, we get a note at the bottom of the screen which reads for
example, "10 message(s), 10 unread". We then proceed to read those
messages
whose subjects interest us, then go to the next news group. Our options
are
set to download only new headers, and when we leave the news group, we
have
the option set to show all messages as having been read, so that when we
come back to that news group, we have the option set to show only unread
messages, and therefore get the new messages only.

Lately, we get the message as the bottom of the screen which reads, for
example, "10 message(s), 10 unread, 4 not downloaded." There seems to be
nothing we can do to get these 4 messages downloaded. The only option we
see that we have is to go to Edit, Get next 300 headers. But this does
not
do the trick. Can someone tell us what is actually happening, or who we
could contact to get an answer.

Thanks a lot for any info.

Joe in Georgetown, Texas, USA
Return address is bogus.
Use [email protected]
to respond directly.

[Herman Viaene]

Helen Castle wrote:

I have used OEX for about 10 years to read newsgroups - used to be
Internet
Mail - I cant reproduce what you are saying. I understand what you mean
but cant reproduce it.

snip a lot

From experience:
Do the effort (it is not that much) to install mozilla (http://www.mozilla.org) on
your machines as browser, mail client and news reader. I'm doing this for
years now and it saved me a lot of headaches.
Beside that, it also saves you somewhat 80% of worm, spyware etc. problems.
Not that this alone would make the PC invulnerable, I still run antivirus
and personal firewall progs beside, but unwanted visitors have been kept
away quite well.
A few weeks ago, I used once again Internet Explorer for about 15 min, and
that was enough to get me 11 spyware items on my PC.

I mentioned mozilla above, as this is the one I have experience with, but I
guess you could have a look at Opera and a number of other alternatives.

For the clever guys: yes I post this from a Linux machine, I work most of
the time on it, but I still have Windows on my network.

[Robert Heiling]

Herman Viaene wrote:

Helen Castle wrote:
snip
A few weeks ago, I used once again Internet Explorer for about 15 min, and
that was enough to get me 11 spyware items on my PC.

Surprise!. Those are also there in your Linux Mozilla! It's just that
programs like Ad-Aware only report them for IE, but they are there in whatever
browser you use. Just click "delete cookies" to get rid of them.

If you browse with cookies enabled (it's almost impossible not to), those
"tracking cookies" get set. Websites use those Tracking Cookies in order to
know if you have previously visited the website They aren't a virus or other
malware though. One example would be Ancestry.com which uses them if you order
a subscription in order to see if you have visited one of the "affiliate"
websites so that they can pay the commission to the affiliate. Affiliates post
in newsgroups and point to their own websites where their cookies will be set
for Ancestry. That's what their pretended interest is in helping people - to
get a commission..

I mentioned mozilla above, as this is the one I have experience with, but I
guess you could have a look at Opera and a number of other alternatives.

For the clever guys: yes I post this from a Linux machine, I work most of
the time on it, but I still have Windows on my network.

The issue at hand is to solve an Outlook Express issue.

Bob

[Denis Beauregard]

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:14:13 +0200, Herman Viaene
<[email protected]> wrote in soc.genealogy.computing:

Helen Castle wrote:

I have used OEX for about 10 years to read newsgroups - used to be
Internet
Mail - I cant reproduce what you are saying. I understand what you mean
but cant reproduce it.

snip a lot



From experience:
Do the effort (it is not that much) to install mozilla (http://www.mozilla.org) on
your machines as browser, mail client and news reader. I'm doing this for
years now and it saved me a lot of headaches.

And there are alternatives from the same place:

firefox, which is the browser only
thunderbird, which is the mail client and news reader only

Beside that, it also saves you somewhat 80% of worm, spyware etc. problems.

A lot of vicious stuff will install with activex and that activex is
limited to MS products.

Moreover, you should never send mail with HTML and ask to your friends
to write you only with HTML. Why ? Because more spam will ackowledge
itself when you view it and this is possible only with HTML. Some
virus will install with HTML. HTML is for web sites, not for email.

Not that this alone would make the PC invulnerable, I still run antivirus
and personal firewall progs beside, but unwanted visitors have been kept
away quite well.

Never read of view any email when the address is random, i.e.
[email protected] or if the address doesn't match the name i.e.
John Doe <[email protected]> or with no FROM or with attached files
that you are not expecting, even from friends. Always ask to the
sender if s/he sent that mail before opening something attached.

A few weeks ago, I used once again Internet Explorer for about 15 min, and
that was enough to get me 11 spyware items on my PC.

I got worse: I wanted to see if a site was an ISP (before adding it
to my kill file) and it couldn't run with old Netscape 4.7x, so I
started it with MSIE. The result was that this site added an entry to
the start menu (which I was lucky and found before it does any harm).
In our local genealogical library, until I banned MSIE, there were
porn banners (you never know where a search will bring you).

I mentioned mozilla above, as this is the one I have experience with, but I
guess you could have a look at Opera and a number of other alternatives.

Opera has banners.

Mozilla is an open source project. This means someone can find the
code to make his own browser. Until now, I have not seen any such
home made browser but it is likely we will see some of them (again,
be careful if you don't know if you can trust the author/source). But
Mozilla/Firefox have skins, i.e. you can change how they look like and
use for example a version with wood aspect.

For the clever guys: yes I post this from a Linux machine, I work most of
the time on it, but I still have Windows on my network.

Denis

[Denis Beauregard]

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:06:07 -0700, Robert Heiling
<[email protected]> wrote in soc.genealogy.computing:

Herman Viaene wrote:

Helen Castle wrote:
snip
A few weeks ago, I used once again Internet Explorer for about 15 min, and
that was enough to get me 11 spyware items on my PC.

Surprise!. Those are also there in your Linux Mozilla! It's just that
programs like Ad-Aware only report them for IE, but they are there in whatever
browser you use. Just click "delete cookies" to get rid of them.

Be careful with those cookies.

In a public library, ask to users to never delete them. Instead, have
someone putting the bad cookies in the reject cookies file in Mozilla.
You MUST keep some cookies alive because they will let you visit some
sites or because you won't have to re-enter your password each time
you use an account on some servers including ancestry.com. NEVER
DELETE ALL COOKIES. Delete them selectively.

If you browse with cookies enabled (it's almost impossible not to), those
"tracking cookies" get set. Websites use those Tracking Cookies in order to
know if you have previously visited the website They aren't a virus or other
malware though. One example would be Ancestry.com which uses them if you order
a subscription in order to see if you have visited one of the "affiliate"
websites so that they can pay the commission to the affiliate. Affiliates post
in newsgroups and point to their own websites where their cookies will be set
for Ancestry. That's what their pretended interest is in helping people - to
get a commission..

But the ancestry cookie will also keep alive your password.


Denis

[singhals]

Joe Pessarra wrote:

Hi All,

This is not a genealogy question, but it is giving us trouble in accessing
the genealogy news groups, as well as other news groups.

We have been using Outlook Express for many years, but in the past two weeks
so, we have started having the following problem.

Normally when we access a news group, and the message headers are
downloaded, we get a note at the bottom of the screen which reads for
example, "10 message(s), 10 unread". We then proceed to read those messages
whose subjects interest us, then go to the next news group. Our options are
set to download only new headers, and when we leave the news group, we have
the option set to show all messages as having been read, so that when we
come back to that news group, we have the option set to show only unread
messages, and therefore get the new messages only.

Lately, we get the message as the bottom of the screen which reads, for
example, "10 message(s), 10 unread, 4 not downloaded." There seems to be
nothing we can do to get these 4 messages downloaded. The only option we
see that we have is to go to Edit, Get next 300 headers. But this does not
do the trick. Can someone tell us what is actually happening, or who we
could contact to get an answer.

I don't use OE, but I've had the same situation in Moz's newsreader and
in Netscape's ... generally, it seemed to happen to me when someone
responded to a message that had "aged-out" of my reader settings (i.e.,
more than 30 days old). Sometimes, resetting my sysclock long enough to
mark them "READ" fixed it, other times not. I hear-tell that this
sometimes happens if you've got someone kill-filed ... the counter will
tell you there're messages, but you can't see them; I've never seen that
in action AFAIK.

Cheryl

[Robert Heiling]

Joe Pessarra wrote:

Joe Pessarra wrote:

Message snipped.


Thanks for taking a look at this for me. I appreciate any ideas I can get
on the subject. Just to clear up the news group listings, I have used the
option to "Catch Up", which wipes out the blue parenthetical numbers
relating to the "Messages not downloaded".

I just don't want to be missing any posts, especially those I am actively
working on.

Joe in Georgetown, Texas, USA

Just went to news group rec.birds, where I was all caught up on reading
posts, and got "0 message(s), 0 unread, 13 not downloaded."

If "Catch Up" appears to solve the problem then I think you're home free when
and if it works. Here's something I found:
<http://forums.wugnet.com/IE6-Outlook-Express-catch-newsgroups-ftopict357287.html>

where they are making similar attempts and maybe it gives some insight. Watch
out for that "delete" fix as it wipes out all of the headers and you won't see
them either read or unread and would probably have to re-subscribe to get the
old ones back. Here's another one:
<http://www.mcse.ms/message1564120.html>
and I think that one confirms that you need to uncheck the "Get 300 headers at a
time"" in click Tools-Options-Read. Perhaps it got set recently?

Bob

[Robert Heiling]

Denis Beauregard wrote:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:06:07 -0700, Robert Heiling
[email protected]> wrote in soc.genealogy.computing:

Herman Viaene wrote:

Helen Castle wrote:
snip
A few weeks ago, I used once again Internet Explorer for about 15 min, and
that was enough to get me 11 spyware items on my PC.

Surprise!. Those are also there in your Linux Mozilla! It's just that
programs like Ad-Aware only report them for IE, but they are there in whatever
browser you use. Just click "delete cookies" to get rid of them.

Be careful with those cookies.

I just performed 2 experiments to make sure I wasn't going crazy. I brought up
mt Firefox and deleted ALL cookies. Then I went to Godfrey and the auto-login logged
me right in. Then I went to my Comcast website and was logged in with my correct
username & password. You see - Firefox keeps login information separately from
passwords.

In a public library, ask to users to never delete them.

users shouldn't be doing anything like that as it's a management function.

Instead, have
someone putting the bad cookies in the reject cookies file in Mozilla.
You MUST keep some cookies alive because they will let you visit some
sites or because you won't have to re-enter your password each time
you use an account on some servers including ancestry.com. NEVER
DELETE ALL COOKIES. Delete them selectively.

Now I just setup my Mozilla to login to Godfrey as it hadn't been previously. I've
made certain that there are no cookies and it logs in just fine.

If you browse with cookies enabled (it's almost impossible not to), those
"tracking cookies" get set. Websites use those Tracking Cookies in order to
know if you have previously visited the website They aren't a virus or other
malware though. One example would be Ancestry.com which uses them if you order
a subscription in order to see if you have visited one of the "affiliate"
websites so that they can pay the commission to the affiliate. Affiliates post
in newsgroups and point to their own websites where their cookies will be set
for Ancestry. That's what their pretended interest is in helping people - to
get a commission..

But the ancestry cookie will also keep alive your password.

It's not a problem with either Firefox 1.0.2 or Mozilla 1.7.5 under Win2000. I
didn't try it under Linux as there's no reason to think it would be any different. I
will add that I delete cache & ALL cookies in MSIE 6.0 VERY frequently.

Bob

[Robert Heiling]

Robert Heiling wrote:

SNIP> You see - Firefox keeps login information separately from
passwords.

Tsk tsk! the Firefox Password Manager keeps username and password information separate
from COOKIES!

Sorry
Bob

[Denis Beauregard]

Le Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:20:22 -0700, Robert Heiling
<[email protected]> écrivait dans soc.genealogy.computing:

It's not a problem with either Firefox 1.0.2 or Mozilla 1.7.5 under Win2000. I
didn't try it under Linux as there's no reason to think it would be any different. I
will add that I delete cache & ALL cookies in MSIE 6.0 VERY frequently.

But you speak English. In many sites, you will have a cookie with
the preferred language in it. And if there is no cookie, it will
answer in English (despite the browser can be set up to show a
preferred language).

Alike, there are some web sites that will store your preference in
cookies. For example, at google, my cookie includes these options
(I selected the one I understand !):

limit search to pages in English or French
LR=lang_en|lang_fr

default language is French (but I use google.fr anyway)
LD=fr

number of results per page is set to 100
NR=100

In some sites, you may want to keep some options and this will need
you keep some cookies permanently.

Some local genealogical societies can do that for example.

Filefox and Mozilla allow you to block cookies from some sites, so you
can selectively forbid some sites to send you cookies.


Denis

[Joe Pessarra]

"singhals" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Joe Pessarra wrote:

Hi All,

This is not a genealogy question, but it is giving us trouble in
accessing
the genealogy news groups, as well as other news groups.

Message snipped.

Well, guys and gals, all these suggestions have been good for possible fixes
for my problem. But, all I finally did today was to clean up the cookie
files, and restart my computer. The problem of unloaded messages has gone
away on all the news groups that I am subscribed to ---- except
se.hobby.genealogi, the Sweden news group. No matter what I do, there is
still one (1) message shown as not downloaded. Even when I do a Catch-up,
it disappears, but returns the next time I access the news group.

I appreciate all the suggestions, and may consider some other actions to try
and fix my problem when, and if, it returns.

Joe in Georgetown, Texas, USA
Return address is bogus.
Use [email protected]
to respond directly.

[John Nichols]

Joe, under Edit there is an option at the bottom called Catch Up. Try that
and see if everything clears.

"Joe Pessarra" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:GQece.327$iU6.179@okepread01...

Hi All,

This is not a genealogy question, but it is giving us trouble in accessing
the genealogy news groups, as well as other news groups.

We have been using Outlook Express for many years, but in the past two
weeks
so, we have started having the following problem.

Normally when we access a news group, and the message headers are
downloaded, we get a note at the bottom of the screen which reads for
example, "10 message(s), 10 unread". We then proceed to read those
messages
whose subjects interest us, then go to the next news group. Our options
are
set to download only new headers, and when we leave the news group, we
have
the option set to show all messages as having been read, so that when we
come back to that news group, we have the option set to show only unread
messages, and therefore get the new messages only.

Lately, we get the message as the bottom of the screen which reads, for
example, "10 message(s), 10 unread, 4 not downloaded." There seems to be
nothing we can do to get these 4 messages downloaded. The only option we
see that we have is to go to Edit, Get next 300 headers. But this does
not
do the trick. Can someone tell us what is actually happening, or who we
could contact to get an answer.

Thanks a lot for any info.

Joe in Georgetown, Texas, USA
Return address is bogus.
Use [email protected]
to respond directly.

[Robert Heiling]

Denis Beauregard wrote:

Le Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:20:22 -0700, Robert Heiling
[email protected]> écrivait dans soc.genealogy.computing:

It's not a problem with either Firefox 1.0.2 or Mozilla 1.7.5 under Win2000. I
didn't try it under Linux as there's no reason to think it would be any different. I
will add that I delete cache & ALL cookies in MSIE 6.0 VERY frequently.

But you speak English. In many sites, you will have a cookie with
the preferred language in it. And if there is no cookie, it will
answer in English

Yes, valid point! I was only addressing your stated issue in regard to logins with
usernames & passwords.

(despite the browser can be set up to show a
preferred language).

Yes again. I wonder how many people have looked at sites like:
http://centralops.net/co/BrowserMirror.vbs.asp

Alike, there are some web sites that will store your preference in
cookies. For example, at google, my cookie includes these options
(I selected the one I understand !):

limit search to pages in English or French
LR=lang_en|lang_fr

default language is French (but I use google.fr anyway)
LD=fr

number of results per page is set to 100
NR=100

In some sites, you may want to keep some options and this will need
you keep some cookies permanently.

Some local genealogical societies can do that for example.

Yes. Using cookies for a valid purpose. But my own preference is to live without
permanent cookies and re-do whatever might need to be done when I'm visiting any
particular website. It's the lesser of the evils in my opinion and less work *for me*
than spending time managing cookies and preferences in several browsers.

Filefox and Mozilla allow you to block cookies from some sites, so you
can selectively forbid some sites to send you cookies.

True again, but my experience has been of loosing a lot of those settings when upgrading
to a new release with those 2. The latest Firefox blew everything away.

Bob

[Robert Heiling]

Joe Pessarra wrote:

all I finally did today was to clean up the cookie
files, and restart my computer. The problem of unloaded messages has gone
away on all the news groups that I am subscribed to ---- except
se.hobby.genealogi, the Sweden news group. No matter what I do, there is
still one (1) message shown as not downloaded. Even when I do a Catch-up,
it disappears, but returns the next time I access the news group.

For whatever reason, the 2 newsgroups, se.hobby.genealogi and
swnet.sci.genealogi always have identical posts. There seems to be some kind of
a linkage. They aren't very active at all and at the present time have a
respective total message count of 321 & 323 per my news client. That 2 message
difference in the counts is probably your problem. Why not simply unsubscribe
and then resubscribe? That should cure the problem and 323 message headers is no
big deal to download.

Bob