Question re: to a Mormon Doctrine

[Jason]

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Here's the question:

I have a Mormon friend. We were having a discussion and I asked him how
God came to be God. He said that Mormon doctrine teaches that God started
out as a man. He was a perfect man and eventually became God.

I asked him--How did the perfect man came to be? Did he have parents? If
not, who created the man that later became God. He said that he did NOT
know as to what Mormon said about how the perfect man came to be.

My question for this newsgroup:
What does LDS doctrine state as to how the man that later became God came
to be?

Thanks in a advance.
Jason

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[Robert M. Riches Jr.]

On 2005-04-21, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:

My question for this newsgroup:
What does LDS doctrine state as to how the man that later became God came
to be?

My suggestion is that the best source of information about
this would probably be http://www.lds.org, and/or someone at your
local meetinghouse. The search facilities at the former can
lead to some good material (if you choose the some good
search terms). You can find a meetinghouse through the web
site, too.

One short answer, based on my experience as a lifelong
active LDS member, is that we are told a fair amount about
what awaits us if we do what we are supposed to in this
sphere of existence, from which we can extrapolate some
about the question you asked. Other than that, I'm not
aware of much on your specific question.

Hope that helps. (If not, I'm available via email, being as
this is off-topic for this newsgroup.)

Robert Riches
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(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

[Hugh Watkins]

off topic

go and ask the Pope
he says he is in charge of all christians

(jews and moslems too maybe)

Hugh W


On 4/21/05, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:

I attempted to post this message in this newsgroup:
soc.religion.mormon
However, there must have been a moderator that blocked this message. Feel
free to attempt to copy and paste my message into that newsgroup to see if
you have more success than I had.

Here's the question:

I have a Mormon friend. We were having a discussion and I asked him how
God came to be God. He said that Mormon doctrine teaches that God started
out as a man. He was a perfect man and eventually became God.

I asked him--How did the perfect man came to be? Did he have parents? If
not, who created the man that later became God. He said that he did NOT
know as to what Mormon said about how the perfect man came to be.

My question for this newsgroup:
What does LDS doctrine state as to how the man that later became God came
to be?

Thanks in a advance.
Jason

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[Jason]

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:

On 2005-04-21, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:

My question for this newsgroup:
What does LDS doctrine state as to how the man that later became God came
to be?

My suggestion is that the best source of information about
this would probably be http://www.lds.org, and/or someone at your
local meetinghouse. The search facilities at the former can
lead to some good material (if you choose the some good
search terms). You can find a meetinghouse through the web
site, too.

One short answer, based on my experience as a lifelong
active LDS member, is that we are told a fair amount about
what awaits us if we do what we are supposed to in this
sphere of existence, from which we can extrapolate some
about the question you asked. Other than that, I'm not
aware of much on your specific question.

Hope that helps. (If not, I'm available via email, being as
this is off-topic for this newsgroup.)

Robert Riches
[email protected]
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

Robert,
I saved your response and will visit the URL you mentioned when I get some
free time. In the mean time, would you try to post my question in this
newsgroup
soc.religion.mormon
--it's possible that there the problem is with my ISP instead of a
moderator that is blocking me. You could add a note explaining that I am
the the one that is asking the question and you are merely relaying the
question. I don't want you to get in trouble at your meetinghouse.
Jason

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On 2005-04-21, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:

Robert,
I saved your response and will visit the URL you mentioned when I get some
free time. In the mean time, would you try to post my question in this
newsgroup
soc.religion.mormon
--it's possible that there the problem is with my ISP instead of a
moderator that is blocking me. You could add a note explaining that I am
the the one that is asking the question and you are merely relaying the
question. I don't want you to get in trouble at your meetinghouse.

I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to do the relay post for you,
but here are two suggestions that might help with your
postings not getting through:

- There are many newsgroups with "test" in their name,
created specifically for testing. You might try posting
there to see whether it gets through.

- I'm told Google has an (groups.google.com) has a way to
post from a web browser.

Robert Riches
[email protected]
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

[Dave Hinz]

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:40:51 -0700, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:

I attempted to post this message in this newsgroup:
soc.religion.mormon
However, there must have been a moderator that blocked this message. Feel
free to attempt to copy and paste my message into that newsgroup to see if
you have more success than I had.

Here's the question:

Sorry, but what does this have to do with using computers to research
and document genealogy?

[Scott]

Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:40:51 -0700, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:

I attempted to post this message in this newsgroup:
soc.religion.mormon
However, there must have been a moderator that blocked this message. Feel
free to attempt to copy and paste my message into that newsgroup to see if
you have more success than I had.

Here's the question:


Sorry, but what does this have to do with using computers to research
and document genealogy?

Thanks Dave! My feelings exactly... How does this fit in this group,
looks like trolling to me..

[Jason]

In article <[email protected]>, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:40:51 -0700, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:

I attempted to post this message in this newsgroup:
soc.religion.mormon
However, there must have been a moderator that blocked this message. Feel
free to attempt to copy and paste my message into that newsgroup to see if
you have more success than I had.

Here's the question:


Sorry, but what does this have to do with using computers to research
and document genealogy?

Thanks Dave! My feelings exactly... How does this fit in this group,
looks like trolling to me..

You are right--I'm sorry-I won't do it again.

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[Scott]

Jason wrote:

In article <[email protected]>, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:


Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:40:51 -0700, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:


I attempted to post this message in this newsgroup:
soc.religion.mormon
However, there must have been a moderator that blocked this message. Feel
free to attempt to copy and paste my message into that newsgroup to see if
you have more success than I had.

Here's the question:


Sorry, but what does this have to do with using computers to research
and document genealogy?

Thanks Dave! My feelings exactly... How does this fit in this group,
looks like trolling to me..


You are right--I'm sorry-I won't do it again.

Jason,

There is no harm in asking questions or asking advise, the question you
had posted was obvious for a different forum. Now, however if the
question pertained to LDS Genealogy procedures, etc... you get the idea.

I hope you get the assistance you were needing in resolving your issue.

Take care,

Scott

[Jason]

In article <[email protected]>, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:

Jason wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:


Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:40:51 -0700, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:


I attempted to post this message in this newsgroup:
soc.religion.mormon
However, there must have been a moderator that blocked this message. Feel
free to attempt to copy and paste my message into that newsgroup to see if
you have more success than I had.

Here's the question:


Sorry, but what does this have to do with using computers to research
and document genealogy?

Thanks Dave! My feelings exactly... How does this fit in this group,
looks like trolling to me..


You are right--I'm sorry-I won't do it again.


Jason,

There is no harm in asking questions or asking advise, the question you
had posted was obvious for a different forum. Now, however if the
question pertained to LDS Genealogy procedures, etc... you get the idea.

I hope you get the assistance you were needing in resolving your issue.

Take care,

Scott

Scott,
Thanks for your support. No--as a result of the moderator of the newsgroup
soc.religion.mormon
my posted message never makes it into the newsgroup. He only allows posts
that he approves of. I don't like those sorts of groups. It's my
impression that Mormons don't like to deal with critics or questions that
they have no answers for.
Jason

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[Don.]

Scott wrote:

Jason wrote:

In article <[email protected]>, Scott <[email protected]
wrote:


Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:40:51 -0700, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:


I attempted to post this message in this newsgroup:
soc.religion.mormon
However, there must have been a moderator that blocked this
message. Feel
free to attempt to copy and paste my message into that newsgroup to
see if
you have more success than I had.

Here's the question:



Sorry, but what does this have to do with using computers to research
and document genealogy?


Thanks Dave! My feelings exactly... How does this fit in this group,
looks like trolling to me..



You are right--I'm sorry-I won't do it again.


Jason,

There is no harm in asking questions or asking advise, the question you
had posted was obvious for a different forum. Now, however if the
question pertained to LDS Genealogy procedures, etc... you get the idea.

I hope you get the assistance you were needing in resolving your issue.

Take care,

Scott

I would suggest you go to a local FHC (Mormon Family History Center [for
genealogy purposes] ) and asking one of the librarians. You'll find them
in the Yellow Pages under Churches/Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints. They may or may not have a direct phone line--ours does.

Normally they won't peep a word about the Mormon doctrine, but ask a
question about it and ... look out. They will also have printed
material that you can take home and study.

(I feel it's better to answer questions of this nature directly as
Robert did and be done with it rather than dragging the Thread out with
off topic comments.)

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[Jason]

In article <[email protected]>, "Don." <[email protected]> wrote:

Scott wrote:
Jason wrote:

In article <[email protected]>, Scott <[email protected]
wrote:


Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:40:51 -0700, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:


I attempted to post this message in this newsgroup:
soc.religion.mormon
However, there must have been a moderator that blocked this
message. Feel
free to attempt to copy and paste my message into that newsgroup to
see if
you have more success than I had.

Here's the question:



Sorry, but what does this have to do with using computers to research
and document genealogy?


Thanks Dave! My feelings exactly... How does this fit in this group,
looks like trolling to me..



You are right--I'm sorry-I won't do it again.


Jason,

There is no harm in asking questions or asking advise, the question you
had posted was obvious for a different forum. Now, however if the
question pertained to LDS Genealogy procedures, etc... you get the idea.

I hope you get the assistance you were needing in resolving your issue.

Take care,

Scott


I would suggest you go to a local FHC (Mormon Family History Center [for
genealogy purposes] ) and asking one of the librarians. You'll find them
in the Yellow Pages under Churches/Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints. They may or may not have a direct phone line--ours does.

Normally they won't peep a word about the Mormon doctrine, but ask a
question about it and ... look out. They will also have printed
material that you can take home and study.

(I feel it's better to answer questions of this nature directly as
Robert did and be done with it rather than dragging the Thread out with
off topic comments.)

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I agree with you. You provided great advice. However, since I was treated
so poorly by Mormons over this problem. I won't be going to any more
services in their local meeting hall. I may take your advice and visit the
family history center.

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[Don.]

Jason wrote:

In article <[email protected]>, "Don." <[email protected]> wrote:


Scott wrote:

Jason wrote:


In article <[email protected]>, Scott <[email protected]
wrote:



Dave Hinz wrote:


On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:40:51 -0700, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:



I attempted to post this message in this newsgroup:
soc.religion.mormon
However, there must have been a moderator that blocked this
message. Feel
free to attempt to copy and paste my message into that newsgroup to
see if
you have more success than I had.

Here's the question:



Sorry, but what does this have to do with using computers to research
and document genealogy?


Thanks Dave! My feelings exactly... How does this fit in this group,
looks like trolling to me..



You are right--I'm sorry-I won't do it again.


Jason,

There is no harm in asking questions or asking advise, the question you
had posted was obvious for a different forum. Now, however if the
question pertained to LDS Genealogy procedures, etc... you get the idea.

I hope you get the assistance you were needing in resolving your issue.

Take care,

Scott


I would suggest you go to a local FHC (Mormon Family History Center [for
genealogy purposes] ) and asking one of the librarians. You'll find them
in the Yellow Pages under Churches/Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints. They may or may not have a direct phone line--ours does.

Normally they won't peep a word about the Mormon doctrine, but ask a
question about it and ... look out. They will also have printed
material that you can take home and study.

(I feel it's better to answer questions of this nature directly as
Robert did and be done with it rather than dragging the Thread out with
off topic comments.)



I agree with you. You provided great advice. However, since I was treated
so poorly by Mormons over this problem. I won't be going to any more
services in their local meeting hall. I may take your advice and visit the
family history center.

Please don't get me wrong, my next door neighbor was a Mormon Bishop(?)
at the same church where our FHC was. I was the "computer specialist" at
that FHC at the time and he bent over backwards to help me with any
problems I encountered. He was friendly, never talked "church", etc.
BUT, in going to the meeting hall it's probably akin to diving in to the
ocean that's full of sharks.

By contrast it was a Mormon Bishop that wooed my 2nd wife on the
pretense he'd divorce his wife and marry mine after she divorced me.
HA! Fooled her, he refused and she committed suicide shortly after we
were divorced. (Drove off a cliff into a 1,000' canyon in northern New
Mexico. )

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[Jason]

In article <[email protected]>, "Don." <[email protected]> wrote:

Jason wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, "Don." <[email protected]> wrote:


Scott wrote:

Jason wrote:


In article <[email protected]>, Scott <[email protected]
wrote:



Dave Hinz wrote:


On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:40:51 -0700, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:



I attempted to post this message in this newsgroup:
soc.religion.mormon
However, there must have been a moderator that blocked this
message. Feel
free to attempt to copy and paste my message into that newsgroup to
see if
you have more success than I had.

Here's the question:



Sorry, but what does this have to do with using computers to research
and document genealogy?


Thanks Dave! My feelings exactly... How does this fit in this group,
looks like trolling to me..



You are right--I'm sorry-I won't do it again.


Jason,

There is no harm in asking questions or asking advise, the question you
had posted was obvious for a different forum. Now, however if the
question pertained to LDS Genealogy procedures, etc... you get the idea.

I hope you get the assistance you were needing in resolving your issue.

Take care,

Scott


I would suggest you go to a local FHC (Mormon Family History Center [for
genealogy purposes] ) and asking one of the librarians. You'll find them
in the Yellow Pages under Churches/Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints. They may or may not have a direct phone line--ours does.

Normally they won't peep a word about the Mormon doctrine, but ask a
question about it and ... look out. They will also have printed
material that you can take home and study.

(I feel it's better to answer questions of this nature directly as
Robert did and be done with it rather than dragging the Thread out with
off topic comments.)



I agree with you. You provided great advice. However, since I was treated
so poorly by Mormons over this problem. I won't be going to any more
services in their local meeting hall. I may take your advice and visit the
family history center.


Please don't get me wrong, my next door neighbor was a Mormon Bishop(?)
at the same church where our FHC was. I was the "computer specialist" at
that FHC at the time and he bent over backwards to help me with any
problems I encountered. He was friendly, never talked "church", etc.
BUT, in going to the meeting hall it's probably akin to diving in to the
ocean that's full of sharks.

By contrast it was a Mormon Bishop that wooed my 2nd wife on the
pretense he'd divorce his wife and marry mine after she divorced me.
HA! Fooled her, he refused and she committed suicide shortly after we
were divorced. (Drove off a cliff into a 1,000' canyon in northern New
Mexico. )

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I have heard lots of several similar stories. One was about a Mormon that
had a wife and several children. His wife found out that he had been
having sexual relations with various men in the city. She divorced him.
The Mormons keep these stories a secret from their members. I will no
longer attend their meetings.

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On 2005-04-24, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>, "Don." <[email protected]> wrote:

Please don't get me wrong, my next door neighbor was a Mormon Bishop(?)
at the same church where our FHC was. I was the "computer specialist" at
that FHC at the time and he bent over backwards to help me with any
problems I encountered. He was friendly, never talked "church", etc.
BUT, in going to the meeting hall it's probably akin to diving in to the
ocean that's full of sharks.

By contrast it was a Mormon Bishop that wooed my 2nd wife on the
pretense he'd divorce his wife and marry mine after she divorced me.
HA! Fooled her, he refused and she committed suicide shortly after we
were divorced. (Drove off a cliff into a 1,000' canyon in northern New
Mexico. )


I have heard lots of several similar stories. One was about a Mormon that
had a wife and several children. His wife found out that he had been
having sexual relations with various men in the city. She divorced him.
The Mormons keep these stories a secret from their members. I will no
longer attend their meetings.

Gentlemen, with due respect for the (likely small) possibility
of some measure of truth to the latter stories (those without
alleged first-hand knowledge), and with due condolences to Don
for the reported tragic situation, these posts are seriously off
topic for this newsgroup. It would be right to point that out
regardless of what religious leaders were the object of this
gossip.

Jason, do I recall correctly that it was you who started this
thread? If so, I am now somewhat regretful that I responded to
that question with an attempt to direct you to the information
you requested. In your first posting, you explained the reason
you posted here rather than in the moderated newsgroup. Is
there some reason you posted this latest one here and not in
alt.gossip.unsubstantiated.mormon.bishops? I think I detect a
hint of odor of troll...

Robert Riches
[email protected]
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

[Hugh Watkins]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ja ... gle+Search
Results 1 - 68 of about 322 for [email protected].
eg
Science Forum :: View topic - Condom use
.... [email protected] (Jason) wrote: Those porn stars are in it mainly
for the money.
They make shows that appeal to people and they are NOT trying to make

use google folks

http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q= ... a=N&tab=wg

[email protected] needs to get a life

and the rest of you need to learn to ignore OT stuff

Hugh W


On 4/24/05, Robert M. Riches Jr. <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2005-04-24, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, "Don." <[email protected]> wrote:

Please don't get me wrong, my next door neighbor was a Mormon Bishop(?)
at the same church where our FHC was. I was the "computer specialist" at
that FHC at the time and he bent over backwards to help me with any
problems I encountered. He was friendly, never talked "church", etc.
BUT, in going to the meeting hall it's probably akin to diving in to the
ocean that's full of sharks.

By contrast it was a Mormon Bishop that wooed my 2nd wife on the
pretense he'd divorce his wife and marry mine after she divorced me.
HA! Fooled her, he refused and she committed suicide shortly after we
were divorced. (Drove off a cliff into a 1,000' canyon in northern New
Mexico. )


I have heard lots of several similar stories. One was about a Mormon that
had a wife and several children. His wife found out that he had been
having sexual relations with various men in the city. She divorced him.
The Mormons keep these stories a secret from their members. I will no
longer attend their meetings.

Gentlemen, with due respect for the (likely small) possibility
of some measure of truth to the latter stories (those without
alleged first-hand knowledge), and with due condolences to Don
for the reported tragic situation, these posts are seriously off
topic for this newsgroup. It would be right to point that out
regardless of what religious leaders were the object of this
gossip.

Jason, do I recall correctly that it was you who started this
thread? If so, I am now somewhat regretful that I responded to
that question with an attempt to direct you to the information
you requested. In your first posting, you explained the reason
you posted here rather than in the moderated newsgroup. Is
there some reason you posted this latest one here and not in
alt.gossip.unsubstantiated.mormon.bishops? I think I detect a
hint of odor of troll...

Robert Riches
[email protected]
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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[Gjest]

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:17:45 -0700, [email protected] (Jason) wrote:

I have heard lots of several similar stories. One was about a Mormon that
had a wife and several children. His wife found out that he had been
having sexual relations with various men in the city. She divorced him.
The Mormons keep these stories a secret from their members. I will no
longer attend their meetings.

You and "Don" are clearly having a great time bashing Mormons, at the
expense of a group of people - most of whom are probably not even
members of the LDS Church - who specifically gathered to talk about an
entirely different subject. It's also clear what your intentions are.
Odds are that you've been shut out of the other newsgroup because of
your behavior there, not because of a single question. If you really
have nothing better to do with your time, at least have the courtesy
to take it elsewhere, please. It took me about 15 seconds to find
alt.recovery.mormonism, and just a few minutes looking at it seemed to
indicate it would be a great choice - you can bash with the best over
there.

Now - would you mind just going away or adding something relevent to
this newsgroup?

C.R.

[Don.]

[email protected] wrote:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:17:45 -0700, [email protected] (Jason) wrote:


I have heard lots of several similar stories. One was about a Mormon that
had a wife and several children. His wife found out that he had been
having sexual relations with various men in the city. She divorced him.
The Mormons keep these stories a secret from their members. I will no
longer attend their meetings.


You and "Don" are clearly having a great time bashing Mormons, at the
expense of a group of people - most of whom are probably not even
members of the LDS Church - who specifically gathered to talk about an
entirely different subject. It's also clear what your intentions are.
Odds are that you've been shut out of the other newsgroup because of
your behavior there, not because of a single question. If you really
have nothing better to do with your time, at least have the courtesy
to take it elsewhere, please. It took me about 15 seconds to find
alt.recovery.mormonism, and just a few minutes looking at it seemed to
indicate it would be a great choice - you can bash with the best over
there.

Now - would you mind just going away or adding something relevent to
this newsgroup?

C.R.

It seems we did, but you've managed to keep it alive! Both Jason
and I have stopped posting to this Thread but others keep on puttin in
their 2 c worth. IF, as suspected, we are TROOLING then why reply?
That's primarily what trolls want.

One of the bad things about e-mail, be it personal or to a NG is that
persons tend to write to "themselves" rather than to an audience. I was
guilty of that, and chose to admit it and stop posting until this one.

Is that *relevent* in your estimation? Don't reply unless you don't
care about the general readership and are simply writing to "yourself".

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