PAF advanced search - find anyone without census-source

[Jakob Hoffmann]

Hi,

I would really like some help in defining a PAF advanced search.

I would like to find all individuals who was alive at the 1881 census and
who don't have the source "1881 Census".

PAF seems to find any individual source where any one of his sources doesn't
contain the "1881 Census". For example a person has a birth and death
source. On the birth source he has a "1881 Census", but not on the death
source. This person will be picked out on the report. I would like to
elimate these people as I already have found them on the census.

Here's the report:

(
Death Date Is greater than 1880
AND
Death Date Exists
)
AND
(
Birth Date Range from 1792 to 1882
AND
Birth Date Exists
)
AND
Sources (Source Title) Does not match 1881 Census

What am I doing wrong? Or how can I find these individuals?

Jake

[singhals]

Jakob Hoffmann wrote:

Hi,

I would really like some help in defining a PAF advanced search.

I would like to find all individuals who was alive at the 1881 census and
who don't have the source "1881 Census".

PAF seems to find any individual source where any one of his sources doesn't
contain the "1881 Census". For example a person has a birth and death
source. On the birth source he has a "1881 Census", but not on the death
source. This person will be picked out on the report. I would like to
elimate these people as I already have found them on the census.

Here's the report:

(
Death Date Is greater than 1880
AND
Death Date Exists
)
AND
(
Birth Date Range from 1792 to 1882
AND
Birth Date Exists
)
AND
Sources (Source Title) Does not match 1881 Census

What am I doing wrong? Or how can I find these individuals?

Jake

I dunno what you're doing wrong, but if it was me running that, I'd
start with Death Date Exists (g), then death-date is greater than 1880
AND source title does not CONTAIN 1881

Since I don't use the source fields, I have no clue whether that'd do it
for you or not, but it can't hurt to try?

Good luck.

Cheryl

[Jakob Hoffmann]

Hi Cheryl,

Thank you for your advice.

Of course you are right in checking if date exists before checking the
values, but it doesn't make any difference.

Contain or match doesn't make any difference as I'm checking against the
exact title - all my 1881 census sources have the same title on all
individuals.

The problem seems to be that PAF selects the individual if just one source
doesn't match the search criteria. For example if the birth source has the
1881 census it will not be selected, but if the death source doesn't have
source then it will be selected. Therefore I end up with a list of far too
many individuals - really it "just" gives me a list of all individuals alive
around 1881...

Jake

"singhals" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...

Jakob Hoffmann wrote:

Hi,

I would really like some help in defining a PAF advanced search.

I would like to find all individuals who was alive at the 1881 census and
who don't have the source "1881 Census".

PAF seems to find any individual source where any one of his sources
doesn't contain the "1881 Census". For example a person has a birth and
death source. On the birth source he has a "1881 Census", but not on the
death source. This person will be picked out on the report. I would like
to elimate these people as I already have found them on the census.

Here's the report:

(
Death Date Is greater than 1880
AND
Death Date Exists
)
AND
(
Birth Date Range from 1792 to 1882
AND
Birth Date Exists
)
AND
Sources (Source Title) Does not match 1881 Census

What am I doing wrong? Or how can I find these individuals?

Jake


I dunno what you're doing wrong, but if it was me running that, I'd start
with Death Date Exists (g), then death-date is greater than 1880
AND source title does not CONTAIN 1881

Since I don't use the source fields, I have no clue whether that'd do it
for you or not, but it can't hurt to try?

Good luck.

Cheryl

[Dave]

Try:

Sources (all) Exists
AND
Sources (Source Title) Does not match 1881 Census

This limits just those entries that have a source entry to begin with and
ignores the fields that could have a souce but nothing entered and thus
don't match the other information.

Good luck,
Dave



"Jakob Hoffmann" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Hi Cheryl,

Thank you for your advice.

Of course you are right in checking if date exists before checking the
values, but it doesn't make any difference.

Contain or match doesn't make any difference as I'm checking against the
exact title - all my 1881 census sources have the same title on all
individuals.

The problem seems to be that PAF selects the individual if just one source
doesn't match the search criteria. For example if the birth source has the
1881 census it will not be selected, but if the death source doesn't have
source then it will be selected. Therefore I end up with a list of far too
many individuals - really it "just" gives me a list of all individuals
alive
around 1881...

Jake

"singhals" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...
Jakob Hoffmann wrote:

Hi,

I would really like some help in defining a PAF advanced search.

I would like to find all individuals who was alive at the 1881 census
and
who don't have the source "1881 Census".

PAF seems to find any individual source where any one of his sources
doesn't contain the "1881 Census". For example a person has a birth and
death source. On the birth source he has a "1881 Census", but not on
the
death source. This person will be picked out on the report. I would
like
to elimate these people as I already have found them on the census.

Here's the report:

(
Death Date Is greater than 1880
AND
Death Date Exists
)
AND
(
Birth Date Range from 1792 to 1882
AND
Birth Date Exists
)
AND
Sources (Source Title) Does not match 1881 Census

What am I doing wrong? Or how can I find these individuals?

Jake


I dunno what you're doing wrong, but if it was me running that, I'd
start
with Death Date Exists (g), then death-date is greater than 1880
AND source title does not CONTAIN 1881

Since I don't use the source fields, I have no clue whether that'd do it
for you or not, but it can't hurt to try?

Good luck.

Cheryl

[Jakob Hoffmann]

Hi Dave,

Thank you for your advice.

I'm just really sorry to say, that it doesn't make any difference at all...

Jake

"Dave" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...

Try:

Sources (all) Exists
AND
Sources (Source Title) Does not match 1881 Census

This limits just those entries that have a source entry to begin with and
ignores the fields that could have a souce but nothing entered and thus
don't match the other information.

Good luck,
Dave



"Jakob Hoffmann" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Hi Cheryl,

Thank you for your advice.

Of course you are right in checking if date exists before checking the
values, but it doesn't make any difference.

Contain or match doesn't make any difference as I'm checking against the
exact title - all my 1881 census sources have the same title on all
individuals.

The problem seems to be that PAF selects the individual if just one
source
doesn't match the search criteria. For example if the birth source has
the
1881 census it will not be selected, but if the death source doesn't have
source then it will be selected. Therefore I end up with a list of far
too
many individuals - really it "just" gives me a list of all individuals
alive
around 1881...

Jake

"singhals" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...
Jakob Hoffmann wrote:

Hi,

I would really like some help in defining a PAF advanced search.

I would like to find all individuals who was alive at the 1881 census
and
who don't have the source "1881 Census".

PAF seems to find any individual source where any one of his sources
doesn't contain the "1881 Census". For example a person has a birth
and
death source. On the birth source he has a "1881 Census", but not on
the
death source. This person will be picked out on the report. I would
like
to elimate these people as I already have found them on the census.

Here's the report:

(
Death Date Is greater than 1880
AND
Death Date Exists
)
AND
(
Birth Date Range from 1792 to 1882
AND
Birth Date Exists
)
AND
Sources (Source Title) Does not match 1881 Census

What am I doing wrong? Or how can I find these individuals?

Jake


I dunno what you're doing wrong, but if it was me running that, I'd
start
with Death Date Exists (g), then death-date is greater than 1880
AND source title does not CONTAIN 1881

Since I don't use the source fields, I have no clue whether that'd do
it
for you or not, but it can't hurt to try?

Good luck.

Cheryl

[Robert Heiling]

Hi Jake

I don't normally use PAF much, although I have it on my computer, and had never
looked at those filters. Now that I have, I think the expression "you can't get
there from here" applies. Since all Sources except Marriage Source are lumped
together, it only takes one of them to cause your test to fail and I think
you've mentioned that already. The capability you seek just isn't there in PAF.

How about creating a Gedcom and importing into the free version of Legacy to run
that report? Unfortunately I haven't reinstalled Legacy yet and can't therefore
tell you for sure that it would work, but it may be a path to getting your
report. And perhaps some other program if not Legacy?

HTH
Bob

Jakob Hoffmann wrote:

Hi Dave,

Thank you for your advice.

I'm just really sorry to say, that it doesn't make any difference at all...

Jake

"Dave" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...
Try:

Sources (all) Exists
AND
Sources (Source Title) Does not match 1881 Census

This limits just those entries that have a source entry to begin with and
ignores the fields that could have a souce but nothing entered and thus
don't match the other information.

Good luck,
Dave



"Jakob Hoffmann" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Hi Cheryl,

Thank you for your advice.

Of course you are right in checking if date exists before checking the
values, but it doesn't make any difference.

Contain or match doesn't make any difference as I'm checking against the
exact title - all my 1881 census sources have the same title on all
individuals.

The problem seems to be that PAF selects the individual if just one
source
doesn't match the search criteria. For example if the birth source has
the
1881 census it will not be selected, but if the death source doesn't have
source then it will be selected. Therefore I end up with a list of far
too
many individuals - really it "just" gives me a list of all individuals
alive
around 1881...

Jake

"singhals" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...
Jakob Hoffmann wrote:

Hi,

I would really like some help in defining a PAF advanced search.

I would like to find all individuals who was alive at the 1881 census
and
who don't have the source "1881 Census".

PAF seems to find any individual source where any one of his sources
doesn't contain the "1881 Census". For example a person has a birth
and
death source. On the birth source he has a "1881 Census", but not on
the
death source. This person will be picked out on the report. I would
like
to elimate these people as I already have found them on the census.

Here's the report:

(
Death Date Is greater than 1880
AND
Death Date Exists
)
AND
(
Birth Date Range from 1792 to 1882
AND
Birth Date Exists
)
AND
Sources (Source Title) Does not match 1881 Census

What am I doing wrong? Or how can I find these individuals?

Jake


I dunno what you're doing wrong, but if it was me running that, I'd
start
with Death Date Exists (g), then death-date is greater than 1880
AND source title does not CONTAIN 1881

Since I don't use the source fields, I have no clue whether that'd do
it
for you or not, but it can't hurt to try?

Good luck.

Cheryl

[singhals]

Then -- are you absolutely 99.99% certain that you have an entry that
meets your criteria? I ask because I once helped someone with a similar
problem (in PAF 2.31) manually inspect every record and every note to
find the "one I missed" -- we found one had that had the entry twice,
but none that didn't have it but should've.

Of course, like Bob says, you maybe just can't do it ...

Cheryl

Jakob Hoffmann wrote:

Hi Dave,

Thank you for your advice.

I'm just really sorry to say, that it doesn't make any difference at all...

Jake

"Dave" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...

Try:

Sources (all) Exists
AND
Sources (Source Title) Does not match 1881 Census

This limits just those entries that have a source entry to begin with and
ignores the fields that could have a souce but nothing entered and thus
don't match the other information.

Good luck,
Dave



"Jakob Hoffmann" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Hi Cheryl,

Thank you for your advice.

Of course you are right in checking if date exists before checking the
values, but it doesn't make any difference.

Contain or match doesn't make any difference as I'm checking against the
exact title - all my 1881 census sources have the same title on all
individuals.

The problem seems to be that PAF selects the individual if just one
source
doesn't match the search criteria. For example if the birth source has
the
1881 census it will not be selected, but if the death source doesn't have
source then it will be selected. Therefore I end up with a list of far
too
many individuals - really it "just" gives me a list of all individuals

alive

around 1881...

Jake

"singhals" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...

Jakob Hoffmann wrote:


Hi,

I would really like some help in defining a PAF advanced search.

I would like to find all individuals who was alive at the 1881 census

and

who don't have the source "1881 Census".

PAF seems to find any individual source where any one of his sources
doesn't contain the "1881 Census". For example a person has a birth
and
death source. On the birth source he has a "1881 Census", but not on

the

death source. This person will be picked out on the report. I would

like

to elimate these people as I already have found them on the census.

Here's the report:

(
Death Date Is greater than 1880
AND
Death Date Exists
)
AND
(
Birth Date Range from 1792 to 1882
AND
Birth Date Exists
)
AND
Sources (Source Title) Does not match 1881 Census

What am I doing wrong? Or how can I find these individuals?

Jake


I dunno what you're doing wrong, but if it was me running that, I'd

start

with Death Date Exists (g), then death-date is greater than 1880
AND source title does not CONTAIN 1881

Since I don't use the source fields, I have no clue whether that'd do
it
for you or not, but it can't hurt to try?

Good luck.

Cheryl

[Jakob Hoffmann]

Hi,

I think you are right, Robert, it just isn't possible in PAF.

And I think this is down to the way it searches the sources. It seems that
it selects on basis of each source for the individual instead of all sources
on the individual. Does that make sense?

Thank you for all your help - I'll give Legacy a go for this report...

Jake

"Robert Heiling" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...

Hi Jake

I don't normally use PAF much, although I have it on my computer, and had
never
looked at those filters. Now that I have, I think the expression "you
can't get
there from here" applies. Since all Sources except Marriage Source are
lumped
together, it only takes one of them to cause your test to fail and I think
you've mentioned that already. The capability you seek just isn't there in
PAF.

How about creating a Gedcom and importing into the free version of Legacy
to run
that report? Unfortunately I haven't reinstalled Legacy yet and can't
therefore
tell you for sure that it would work, but it may be a path to getting your
report. And perhaps some other program if not Legacy?

HTH
Bob

[Robert Heiling]

Jakob Hoffmann wrote:

Hi,

I think you are right, Robert, it just isn't possible in PAF.

And I think this is down to the way it searches the sources. It seems that
it selects on basis of each source for the individual instead of all sources
on the individual. Does that make sense?

Sounds to me as though it scans through all of the Sources to see if any one of
them meets the criteria.

Thank you for all your help - I'll give Legacy a go for this report...

I've since downloaded & installed Legacy and haven't found any such search
capability. The Legacy support lady follows this ng, so maybe she or a Legacy
user could comment. Use of some other program by the same means remains a
possibility.

Bob

"Robert Heiling" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...

Hi Jake

I don't normally use PAF much, although I have it on my computer, and had
never
looked at those filters. Now that I have, I think the expression "you
can't get
there from here" applies. Since all Sources except Marriage Source are
lumped
together, it only takes one of them to cause your test to fail and I think
you've mentioned that already. The capability you seek just isn't there in
PAF.

How about creating a Gedcom and importing into the free version of Legacy
to run
that report? Unfortunately I haven't reinstalled Legacy yet and can't
therefore
tell you for sure that it would work, but it may be a path to getting your
report. And perhaps some other program if not Legacy?

HTH
Bob

[Dave]

The only other solution would be to select for the records that do have a
1881 census source and tag the record with a census user event with the year
1881. You could then do the date filters with the user event exclusion. When
I find a census record I add the census user event and source that with
Title: Census Image and then Series:xxx Roll:xxx Page:xxx in the citation
fields.

Good luck,
Dave

"Robert Heiling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Jakob Hoffmann wrote:

Hi,

I think you are right, Robert, it just isn't possible in PAF.

And I think this is down to the way it searches the sources. It seems
that
it selects on basis of each source for the individual instead of all
sources
on the individual. Does that make sense?

Sounds to me as though it scans through all of the Sources to see if any
one of
them meets the criteria.

Thank you for all your help - I'll give Legacy a go for this report...

I've since downloaded & installed Legacy and haven't found any such search
capability. The Legacy support lady follows this ng, so maybe she or a
Legacy
user could comment. Use of some other program by the same means remains a
possibility.

Bob

"Robert Heiling" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...

Hi Jake

I don't normally use PAF much, although I have it on my computer, and
had
never
looked at those filters. Now that I have, I think the expression "you
can't get
there from here" applies. Since all Sources except Marriage Source are
lumped
together, it only takes one of them to cause your test to fail and I
think
you've mentioned that already. The capability you seek just isn't
there in
PAF.

How about creating a Gedcom and importing into the free version of
Legacy
to run
that report? Unfortunately I haven't reinstalled Legacy yet and can't
therefore
tell you for sure that it would work, but it may be a path to getting
your
report. And perhaps some other program if not Legacy?

HTH
Bob

[Henk]

Jakob Hoffmann wrote:

I would like to find all individuals who was alive at the 1881
census and who don't have the source "1881 Census".

Try to create a filter to select all individuals who were NOT alive in
1881, OR who DO have this source. In the "Select Individuals" screen,
set Relationship Filter to All, and Combine filters using to NOT. (I
haven't tested it, but it should work).

--
Henk

[Jakob Hoffmann]

Hi Henk,

You're a genius!! It really works!

My filter now looks like this:

Birth Date Is greater than 1882
OR
Birth Date Is less than 1782
OR
Sources (Source Title) Matches 1881 Census

AND then combining the filters using NOT.

I also realised that the "Birth Date Exists" doesn't make a difference in
selecting the individuals. If I add the death date as well - with OR - then
it only selects individuals with both dates entered.

This means that my list includes people without a birth date, but it's quite
easy to manually ignore these.

I can now make a similar list for the other census years. When exporting to
a spreadsheet, I'll manually in Excel add a column with the actual census
year. Then I'll merge all files and and sorting by individual number, I'll
have a excellent list of the people I still need to look for in the census
records.

Thank you for all your help..

Jake

"Henk" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...

Jakob Hoffmann wrote:

I would like to find all individuals who was alive at the 1881
census and who don't have the source "1881 Census".


Try to create a filter to select all individuals who were NOT alive in
1881, OR who DO have this source. In the "Select Individuals" screen,
set Relationship Filter to All, and Combine filters using to NOT. (I
haven't tested it, but it should work).

--
Henk