Fouled up Merge

[Jesse]

HELP! after merging an individual with parents listed as unknown with one with parents I have this individual listed with parents when I click them but when I click the child it shows "parents unknown" I tried entering his parents from list & now have two marriages one known & one unknown. How do I merge the known parent with unknown. Confused??? I am to. I find nothing in the book to help.
jesse mc

[cecilia]

"Jesse" wrote:

HELP! after merging an individual with parents
listed as unknown with one with parents I have
this individual listed with parents when I click them
but when I click the child it shows "parents unknown"
I tried entering his parents from list & now have two
marriages one known & one unknown. How do I
merge the known parent with unknown.
Confused??? I am to. I find nothing in the book to help.
jesse mc

(1. Set the line length in your messages to something under 80.)

2. Let us know what program you are using if the following is no use.

3. In Legacy, I would attempt (after taking a back-up):

a. unlinking the child from the parents.

b. deleting the extra marriage (that doesn't have any other
children, if there are other children). If it has details that need
adding to the "real" marriage, do that (by hand, probably, unless I
found one could merge marriages - I've never had the need).

c. Once there is only the "real" marriage, give the parents a
child, using the existing individual.

[singhals]

Jesse wrote:

HELP! after merging an individual with parents listed as unknown with one

with parents I have this individual listed with parents when I click
them but

when I click the child it shows "parents unknown" I tried entering his
parents

from list & now have two marriages one known & one unknown. How do I
merge the

known parent with unknown. Confused??? I am to. I find nothing in the
book to help.

jesse mc

Fix the line length, or in a pinch, use the ENTER key like I did.
Life's too short to spend it scrolling left and right.

If you're using PAF, merge the two sets of parents, man to man, woman to
woman. if it still doesn't work, unlink the kid from the unknown
marriage, and pull up either of the parentswithnames. Then ADD a child
via the edit menu by telling it the kid's in there, go find 'im.

Cheryl

[Ron Parsons]

In article <004501c4e81d$82f1d940$8081d818@compaqcomputer>,
[email protected] ("Jesse") wrote:

HELP! after merging an individual with parents listed as unknown with one with
parents I have this individual listed with parents when I click them but when
I click the child it shows "parents unknown" I tried entering his parents from
list & now have two marriages one known & one unknown. How do I merge the
known parent with unknown. Confused??? I am to. I find nothing in the book to
help.
jesse mc

Change the names of the unknown parents to match the known parents and
then merge them as well.

--
Ron Parsons

[cecilia]

Ron Parsons wrote:

[...] after merging an individual with parents listed as unknown with one with
parents I have this individual listed with parents when I click them but when
I click the child it shows "parents unknown" I tried entering his parents from
list & now have two marriages one known & one unknown. How do I merge the
known parent with unknown. [...]

Change the names of the unknown parents to match the known parents and
then merge them as well.

One may still end up with two marriages, and some of the children as a
result of one marriage, and some of the other (:-(

[singhals]

cecilia wrote:

Ron Parsons wrote:

[...] after merging an individual with parents listed as unknown with one with
parents I have this individual listed with parents when I click them but when
I click the child it shows "parents unknown" I tried entering his parents from
list & now have two marriages one known & one unknown. How do I merge the
known parent with unknown. [...]

Change the names of the unknown parents to match the known parents and
then merge them as well.


One may still end up with two marriages, and some of the children as a
result of one marriage, and some of the other (:-(

Yeah. Which is why I've still got 6 separate databases instead of 1. (g)

Cheryl

[Ron Parsons]

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (cecilia) wrote:

Ron Parsons wrote:
[...] after merging an individual with parents listed as unknown with one
with
parents I have this individual listed with parents when I click them but
when
I click the child it shows "parents unknown" I tried entering his parents
from
list & now have two marriages one known & one unknown. How do I merge the
known parent with unknown. [...]

Change the names of the unknown parents to match the known parents and
then merge them as well.

One may still end up with two marriages, and some of the children as a
result of one marriage, and some of the other (:-(

Not with the program I use.

--
Ron Parsons

[Ron Parsons]

In article <[email protected]>,
singhals <[email protected]> wrote:

cecilia wrote:

Ron Parsons wrote:

[...] after merging an individual with parents listed as unknown with one
with
parents I have this individual listed with parents when I click them but
when
I click the child it shows "parents unknown" I tried entering his parents
from
list & now have two marriages one known & one unknown. How do I merge the
known parent with unknown. [...]

Change the names of the unknown parents to match the known parents and
then merge them as well.


One may still end up with two marriages, and some of the children as a
result of one marriage, and some of the other (:-(

Yeah. Which is why I've still got 6 separate databases instead of 1. (g)

Cheryl

And still you don't get why some of us prefer Reunion.

--
Ron Parsons

[singhals]

Ron Parsons wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
singhals <[email protected]> wrote:


cecilia wrote:


Ron Parsons wrote:


[...] after merging an individual with parents listed as unknown with one
with
parents I have this individual listed with parents when I click them but
when
I click the child it shows "parents unknown" I tried entering his parents

from

list & now have two marriages one known & one unknown. How do I merge the
known parent with unknown. [...]

Change the names of the unknown parents to match the known parents and
then merge them as well.


One may still end up with two marriages, and some of the children as a
result of one marriage, and some of the other (:-(

Yeah. Which is why I've still got 6 separate databases instead of 1. (g)

Cheryl


And still you don't get why some of us prefer Reunion.

No, I understand perfectly that some folks prefer something I don't. I
don't have issues with the concept, Ron. (g)

Are you telling me that Reunion will accept all 6 data files, and
automatically *AND CORRECTLY* merge all duplicate entries while keeping
the different data that has crept into each? If it'll do that without
my intervention, I could be persuaded to make nice to a friend with a
Mac and Reunion.

Cheryl

[cecilia]

Ron Parsons wrote:

Change the names of the unknown parents to match the known parents and
then merge them as well.

One may still end up with two marriages, and some of the children as a
result of one marriage, and some of the other (:-(

Not with the program I use.

Does Reunion allow for a couple's marrying (each other) twice?

[Doug McDonald]

cecilia wrote:

Ron Parsons wrote:


Change the names of the unknown parents to match the known parents and
then merge them as well.

One may still end up with two marriages, and some of the children as a
result of one marriage, and some of the other (:-(

Not with the program I use.


Does Reunion allow for a couple's marrying (each other) twice?

Hopefully it does! It does happen, you know.

Doug McDonald

[Ron Parsons]

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (cecilia) wrote:

Ron Parsons wrote:

Change the names of the unknown parents to match the known parents and
then merge them as well.

One may still end up with two marriages, and some of the children as a
result of one marriage, and some of the other (:-(

Not with the program I use.

Does Reunion allow for a couple's marrying (each other) twice?

Yes, you simply go to one of the couple and choose the pull down for
Existing Spouse and choose the other one. Each marriage has its own
space for type of marriage, date, place and as many sources or notes as
you will like and another similar space for the type of split if there
was one.

There will be another pull down has a choice to Edit Spouses and if all
the marriages have dates, a simple click will put them in order,
otherwise you just drag them into position.

There is no limit at twice though, some join and split several times
with perhaps another spouse interposed and that is just as easily
handled.

Since the tread was originally about merges, I will say that if you have
a couple who married more than once and some of the marriages are in
separate duplicate couples and you merge them... you may have to follow
the procedure above to recreate the multiple marriages.

--
Ron Parsons

[Ron Parsons]

In article <[email protected]>,
Doug McDonald <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:

cecilia wrote:
Ron Parsons wrote:


Change the names of the unknown parents to match the known parents and
then merge them as well.

One may still end up with two marriages, and some of the children as a
result of one marriage, and some of the other (:-(

Not with the program I use.


Does Reunion allow for a couple's marrying (each other) twice?

Hopefully it does! It does happen, you know.

It does and easily. If you have date Feasibility Checking turned on,
Reunion will tell you if there is a child birth outside the range of the
marriage that the child is listed under, but there are two simple ways
to move the child into the correct marriage. One is to simply drag the
child to the clipboard, change to the new marriage and drag the child to
the child field. The other is to go to the new marriage and choose to
enter and Existing Child... Reunion will then ask if you want to move
the child or duplicate it.

--
Ron Parsons

[Ron Parsons]

In article <[email protected]>,
singhals <[email protected]> wrote:

Ron Parsons wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
singhals <[email protected]> wrote:


cecilia wrote:


Ron Parsons wrote:


[...] after merging an individual with parents listed as unknown with one
with
parents I have this individual listed with parents when I click them but
when
I click the child it shows "parents unknown" I tried entering his parents

from

list & now have two marriages one known & one unknown. How do I merge the
known parent with unknown. [...]

Change the names of the unknown parents to match the known parents and
then merge them as well.


One may still end up with two marriages, and some of the children as a
result of one marriage, and some of the other (:-(

Yeah. Which is why I've still got 6 separate databases instead of 1. (g)

Cheryl


And still you don't get why some of us prefer Reunion.


No, I understand perfectly that some folks prefer something I don't. I
don't have issues with the concept, Ron. (g)

Are you telling me that Reunion will accept all 6 data files, and
automatically *AND CORRECTLY* merge all duplicate entries while keeping
the different data that has crept into each? If it'll do that without
my intervention, I could be persuaded to make nice to a friend with a
Mac and Reunion.

Exactly. Reunion will merge two identical data bits into one, but if
they vary, it will duplicate that bit, so that you might end up with two
entries for a birth for example and you then choose the most complete,
accurate or you can leave them both. The main family screen will show
the one you list first. All events can be dragged into any order you
choose, or simply click a button and Reunion will put them in date order
for you. You can still follow that by dragging to a new order if you
like.

What is recommended is that you create a new file for each of those 6,
import into Reunion. You can have Reunion set the General Source for the
imported data to whatever you choose, you may also have Reunion set a
flag for each imported person. Again, you can define your own flag.

Choose one of the 6 to be your master and then import the others in one
at a time. Again, when importing one Reunion file into another, you have
options like above. I would recommend that you unmark your master file
and have all of the import marked. Then just choose match and merge all
marked files against the whole file.

You may end up with a lot of duplicate events, but you will lose nothing.

Actually there is one thing that you might loose. If the same two people
married more than once and you find those marriages separated into
duplicate couples and merge them, only one marriage survives. If they
have marriages with other individuals, those combine properly. So I'd
recommend you do a bit of homework to identify couples who married each
other more than once and get the information in a file or on paper. That
done, it's simple to create the additional marriages after the merger.

Reunion would have no problem with you just importing all the 6 data
files together and then doing a merge of everyone against everyone, it's
just going to take longer and the potential of you choosing two merge
the wrong individuals is increased.

As I said, events, facts, memo, notes etc. that are identical are merged
into one and all their sources shown. If any of those vary other than
having different sources, then they will be duplicated so there is no
chance of lost data.

I would recommend that variant name spelling be indicated in a Source
Detail and your best understanding of the correct name be used in the
First & Mid Name and Last Name fields.

--
Ron Parsons

[cecilia]

Ron Parsons wrote:

cecilia wrote:
Ron Parsons wrote:

One may still end up with two marriages, and some of the children as a
result of one marriage, and some of the other (:-(

Not with the program I use.

Does Reunion allow for a couple's marrying (each other) twice?

Yes <details on how to ceate multiple marriages snipped
Since the tread was originally about merges, I will say that if you have
a couple who married more than once and some of the marriages are in
separate duplicate couples and you merge them... you may have to follow
the procedure above to recreate the multiple marriages.

Thanks. I had suspected, from what you said before, that multiple
marriages might be lost in a Reunion merge of duplicates.

[Ron Parsons]

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (cecilia) wrote:

Ron Parsons wrote:
cecilia wrote:
Ron Parsons wrote:

One may still end up with two marriages, and some of the children as a
result of one marriage, and some of the other (:-(

Not with the program I use.

Does Reunion allow for a couple's marrying (each other) twice?

Yes <details on how to ceate multiple marriages snipped
Since the tread was originally about merges, I will say that if you have
a couple who married more than once and some of the marriages are in
separate duplicate couples and you merge them... you may have to follow
the procedure above to recreate the multiple marriages.

Thanks. I had suspected, from what you said before, that multiple
marriages might be lost in a Reunion merge of duplicates.

Please understand, that I was referring to the same couple who married
each other more than once. No marriages to others are ever lost.

It is trivial to add multiple unions between the same two people which
show the type of union and/or disunion with dates, places and sources.

It is also trivial to move their collective children so that each birth
falls into the union that existed at the time of the birth.

Unions can be sorted into order by a simple click or dragged into the
order of your choice. One of the unions can be chosen as Preferred for
each person and will be the one displayed automatically when you chose
that person.

If you wish, you can have the children appear in other unions as well as
the one they were born into.

I've used the term "union" for Reunion allows unmarried, marriage and
common law. "Disunion" comes in None, Divorce, Separation, and Annulment.

A not uncommon occurrence is a child born to an unwed mother and
carrying her last name. Reunion does not require two parents to enter a
child. You can select Unmarried for the mother and enter her last name
for the child.

Same sex unions are no problem, you simply change the sex of the
individual after creating the union.

--
Ron Parsons