Searching info on Bjarne Alfred Engmann, b. 1897, em. to Can

[dn17217]

I am searching info on BJARNE ALFRED ENGMAN, b. 1897 in Røros, Norway. He emigrated to Canada in 1924 and left behind him wife and two small children. The family did not hear from him later.
Now the two children have passed 80 years and still wonder what happened to their father. They believe he settled down in Red Deer and is buried there. Maybe he has descendants in Canada?

Can you help me find him or his ev. descendants?

Regards
Olav Sjømæling
genealogist amateur

[Tom Kaasen]

Hello

I find a passenger/immigration-card for Bjarne Engmann in 1924. He says his closest relative is wife Karen at "Fandrem, Orkedalen". He says his intentions are to settle in Canada. His present occupation i "labourer" and his intended occupation is "farming" Is this "your" Bjarne?

Looks like he planned to settle permanently. If he managed to do so, maybe his wife didn't want to leave Norway after all?


Tom Kaasen

[dn17217]

Hei Tom!
GOD JUL!
Ja, dette er "vår" Bjarne. Hans kone, Karen, levde et langt liv på Fannrem sammen med deres to barn. Jeg kjente alle tre.
Skulle så gjerne ha sporet opp Bjarne. Hans sønn lever og har mange etterkommere - som venter!

[dn17217]

Hei Tom!
GOD JUL!
Ja, dette er "vår" Bjarne. Hans kone, Karen, levde et langt liv på Fannrem sammen med deres to barn. Jeg kjente alle tre.
Skulle så gjerne ha sporet opp Bjarne. Hans sønn lever og har mange etterkommere - som venter!

[Tom Kaasen]

Hei

Hvorfor "tror" familien at han slo seg ned i Red Deer?

mvh
Tom Kaasen

[dn17217]

Jeg skal ta en prat med sønnen, 88 år.

[gj00672]

I have been doing some digging into Engmans in Alberta for Olav with little success.

I noticed this morning that it says Nat. 19/3/43 or maybe 17/3/43 written sideways at the left of the passenger arrival card. So the naturalization would be nice to find, but I don't know where to go.

I live 15 minutes from the Alberta Provincial Archives, but what would I look for?
I can't find anything in Western Canada Land Grants nor CPR Land Sales for Bjarne.

How do we think Bjarne Alfred lived in/around Red Deer?

Cliff Lien
Alberta, Canada

[Margit R Bakke]

How to Obtain Copies of Naturalization papers

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/data ... 0-e.html#c

Records listed in this database are held by Citizenship and Immigration Canada. Requests for copies of documents must be sent by mail to the under-noted office:

Citizenship and Immigration Canada
Public Rights Administration
360 Laurier Ave West
10th Floor
Ottawa, ON
K1A 1L1

Please note that the following conditions apply:

Each application for copies must be submitted on an Access to Information Request Form [www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/tbsf-fsct/350-57-eng.asp] by a Canadian citizen or an individual living in Canada.
Fee: $5.00, payable to the Receiver General for Canada.
The request must be accompanied by a signed consent from the person concerned or proof that he/she has been deceased 20 years. Proof of death can be a copy of a death record, a newspaper obituary or a photograph of the gravestone showing name and death date.
The request should include the following information: surname, given name, date and place of birth, and, if known, the number of the naturalization certificate including the alphabetic Series identifier and the "F" suffix if the certificate was issued in French. Specify that you want copies of the original documents.

[gj05515]

Here is the arrival record mentioned by Tom. It says his destination was "C. N. R., Winnipeg, Manitoba". This, I believe, is the "Canadian National Railway". That might be another source to check for information about Bjarne.

Another possibility.....

When he left Trondheim on 14 Apr 1924 he was apparently traveling with an unmarried man named Johan Martin Næss (born 1902). Possibly they ended up in the same place.

Brian
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[gj05515]

Johan Næss had the same destination as Bjarne.

[dn17217]

Johan Næss from Orkanger returned to his homeplace after some time. I met him in the early seventies and know his daughter and grandchild. I will talk with his daughter.
Maybe she has some information.

[dn08614]

In the Alberta Genealogical Society's database - Alfred Bjarne Engman 1897 - 3 August 1976 and Gertrude Engman 1908 - 11 October 1995, both of them are buried in the Red Deer Cemetery, Red Deer, Alberta.

On Ancestry.ca I have found Alfred Engman with his wife Gertrude Engman in Canada, Voters Lists 1935-1980 in 1962, 1963, 1968 and 1974. They are at the same address in a Senior Citizen's residence for all 4 of those years.

The Alberta Genealogical Society's Research Services at http://abgensoc.ca/research.html
could search for an obituary [Nekrolog] for Alfred Bjarne Engman and possibly a Probate Record [Skifterett], both of which would likely provide you with more information about Alfred Bjarne and perhaps about his wife, Gertrude.

Lykke til.
Adele Goa
Camrose, Alberta
Canada

[dn17217]

Hei Tom!

Sønnen Albert, 88, på Fannrem opplyser at familien hans for mange år siden ba Frelsesarmeen undersøke noe om hvor faren oppholdt seg. Svaret var da Red Deer, Alberta, Canada.
Ellers ser du at vi har fått god kontakt med folk i Alberta som allerede nå har kommet med nye opplysninger. Jeg har skrevet etter mulige nekrologer.
Takk for at du viste interesse!

Beste hilsen fra
Olav

[dn17217]

Hi Adele,

Thank you for interesting ino on Bjarne Engman.
I have written to ABG to ask for more info on both him and his wife Gertrude.
I hope to get some info on any descendants over there.

All the best,
Olav