Rikshospitalet Birth/Baptism record claification

[gj14879]

I need your help in interpreting some birth and baptism records that I have located. They are:

1) Emma Marta Andrea Olsen born Feb. 21 1892 and Baptized on Feb. 29 1892
Parents: Emma Kristina Anderson and Anders Olsen.
Rikshospitalet: 1889-1892 Dåpbok PAGE 162

2) Emma Margit Andrea Olsen born July 22 1894 and Baptized on July 29 1894
Parents: Emma Kristina Anderson and Anders Olsen.
Rikshospitalet: 1892-1895 Dåpbok

The Family Search site has these birth records transcribed and they do match the records above. But it also lists that these children were baptized in Hamre, Hordaland, Norway.
1) Emma Marta on 28 Feb 1892
2) Emma Margit on 29 Jul 1894
I have searched the scanned records in Hamre, Hordaland and cannot find the baptism records.
My question is this:
Is the Family Search site in error or did the family actually have their children baptized in Hamre? I am hoping that maybe someone can figure this out for me.

Thanks in advance,
Mary

[Paul Johan Hals]

The children was baptized at Rikshospitalet. So it must be some errors at Family Search.

Sometimes in nowegian Parish registers, a person might be registered baptized i two different Parish, but then you will find that they are numbered only in one of the registers. The one where he/she was baptized. This might happen if the child is baptized in an other Parish than the family lives.

With pleasure

Paul

[gj14879]

Thanks for responding so quickly to my post.

If I understand your answer then could this family have some connection to Hamre, Hordaland?

What I mean: would this family travel with their daughters to be baptised in Hamre, Hordaland (after giving birth in Oslo) or is it just recorded that way to indicate that they have family there?

I ask because I have found another "suspect" case. The mother of these children has a sibling who also had a daughter in Oslo, but it is recorded that her child also was baptized in Hamre, Hordaland.

I hope that this is not too confusing, but I am trying to figure out where the children's grandmother died. I have narrowed the death between the dates of 1887 to 1900 and thought maybe Hamre, Hordaland is where she lived and died.
Thanks again,
Mary

[Paul Johan Hals]

What I mean: would this family travel with their daughters to be baptised in Hamre, Hordaland (after giving birth in Oslo) or is it just recorded that way to indicate that they have family there?

I ask because I have found another "suspect" case. The mother of these children has a sibling who also had a daughter in Oslo, but it is recorded that her child also was baptized in Hamre, Hordaland.

The child, Emma was born and baptized at Rikshospitalet in Oslo. So far I can see did the parents live in Oslo (Kristiania was the name of the town at that time). However in the Parish record (lower part of the page, no 67) There is a note about her father. It seems like he was from Odalen and died in sept 1896 or 1898) Nothing about where the mother came from.

Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Rikshospitalet, Ministerialbok nr. 8 (1890-1893), Fødte og døpte 1892, side 124.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-131

If you don't find them in the scanned Parish register of Hamre, there must be a mistake by FS (Family Search)
I have some problems when I try to search in the Parish records right now, so I was not able to find the other Emma.

With pleasure

Paul

[Paul Johan Hals]

Here is the baptism record for Emma Margit in 1894. (Lower part of page, No 227 )
Here it says that her mothers name is Emma Ingeborg Kristine, born Anderson. After her name is written "Sv". This could mean that she (the mother) was born in Sweden. Here are also the years when the parents were born.
Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Rikshospitalet, Ministerialbok nr. 9 (1894-1897), Fødte og døpte 1894, side 46.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-52

Since this pair had two girls named Emma as first name, the oldest one is probably dead before the next was born.

With pleasure

Paul

[gj14879]

Oh, the records you gave me are so much better to read than the ones I found.
Thank you for that.

Yes, the mother (Emma)was born in Sweden. Based on Swedish records she came with her family to Kristinia Norway in Oct. 7 1887.

A few months back, someone located a !900 Kristiania Census that showed Emma Ols. as a widow, living with her 2 daughters (actually they are both living at this time, but go under the names of Martha and Margit), a son named John and her father John Anders. (born 1841) but no mother, Laura Charlotta Anderssen born 1846. I then realized Emma's mother had probably died sometime after coming to Norway.

Since then I located a swedish document (inventory of estate) that stated Laura was deceased and named Emma as an heir. The date of the document is April 6 1900.
I now know that Laura died sometime between Oct. 7 1887 and April 6 1900.

I know this is very convoluted, but I was trying to figure out Laura's death date by looking at her grandchildren's birth records to see if she might have been mentioned and then narrow the dates. That is why I thought the mention of Hamre, Hordaland might be a clue.

Anyway, I have spent the day paging through death records listed in Oslo, but no luck.

If you would be so kind, can I bother you with two more questions?
1) When I enter Oslo to search the scanned documents, a number of parishes pop up. I have no idea which one to pick. Based on the 1900 Kristiania census that I have for the family, is there a parish listed? The link is below:
2) Is there an easier way to find a death date, then by going page by page?
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... ersonpostn

Thanks so much for your time,
Mary

[dn27834]

But Paul, do you know what the words at the Anmerkninger "Vor Fr. K." means?
Do the worlds refer to an other church?

Mvh
Wenche

[Paul Johan Hals]

But Paul, do you know what the words at the Anmerkninger "Vor Fr. K." means?
Do the worlds refer to an other church?

Mvh
Wenche

I suppose it means "Vor Frelsers Kirke". Oslo Domkirke.

Mvh Paul

[Else Berit Rustad]

Paul is right, concerning the church.

If you take a look at the remark, you will see "v. Vor Fr. K."

- which means that the parents got married in Vor Frelsers Kirke (Domkirken) in Oslo (Christiania). If you can find the marriage record, it would probably give you more information about the bride.

Regards
Else B.

[gj14879]

Thanks for the tip. I went through all the pages of Oslo Domkirke / Vår Frelsers menighet and even though I have not found Laura Charlotte Andersson’s (born 1-13-1846 in Sweden) death record, I did find a lot of records for my other ancestors! Of course, I am hoping I can get help with translations.

The 1st Record:
Oslo county, Oslo Domkirke / Vår Frelsers menighet, Parish register (official) nr. 38 (1878-1921), Leaving the State Church 1889, page 60 for Johan Alfred Danielsson Froberg (1860) and Anna Maria Andersson (1868), April 16 1889.
# 10 and 11.

What is entered in the individual columns?
Also, in the remarks column, is there a reason given as to why they left?

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 040209.jpg


2nd record:
Source information: Oslo county, Jacob, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1880-1894), Dissenters´ marriage records 1889, page 253.

Alfred and Anna get married on April 17 1889. (#2)
Is it possible to translate what is written in the remarks column?

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 030076.jpg


3rd record:
Source information: Oslo county, Trefoldighet, Parish register (official) nr. I 6 (1891-1899), Birth and baptism records 1899, page 270.

Baptismal Record for John Ola Selmer. Feb. 19 1899.

What do the remarks say?

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 010321.jpg


Thanks so much for any help,
Mary

[Tom Kaasen]

Hello


A little thing about pasting links into the forum:
It's a better choice to paste the "permanent pagelink"


I've looked at the records and think this is it:

Johan Alfred and Anna Maria leaving the church

Column 5; place of birth: Sverige
Column 6; when and where confirmed?: Looks like it says "forsvarlig kristen... (something like adequate religious )
Column 7: Address; Johan=Storgaten, Anna Maria=Stensgaten
Column 8: To which church? (Intet Samfund=To no church)
Column 11: Remarks - "For at inngaa borgerlig ægteskab"="To marry outside the church"

Second record: (just the remarks in columns 10-14)

"Married outside the church, in front of Notarius Publicus, according to records of 20th of April. Notarius states that both have stepped out of the church as of 16th of April and that the couple will live in Ebbels gate #3 and that they are NOT related"

Third record - remarks column

First remark:
"Tillatelse fra stiftsprovsten Peter Eliassen til at døbes her, dated 15 feb. 1899"
Permission from the parishminister to be baptised here (ie Trefoldighetskirken)"

second remark (different handwriting):
"Meddelse sendt Vor Frelsers Menighed"
"Note sent to Vor Frelsers Menighed"

regards
Tom Kaasen

[gj14879]

Thanks Tom for your answers.
I really appreciate you taking the time to help me out.

Warm regards,
Mary