Baptism of Ole Olsen 1801 Aker

[gj16333]

The baptism of Ole Olsen, the first child of my GGGGrandfather by his first wife is here at Aker on 21 June 1801

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 010291.jpg

right hand page and 5th entry down.

I would like to know the name of the farm? after Ole Amundsen's name. I don't know what the first letter is but it looks like the rest of the word is _angau. It seems to me to be the same word after the name of Gulbrand Olsen in the Best Mans Statement for Ole Amundsen's 1801 wedding here:

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 030604.jpg

left hand page, first entry

Also, could somebody tell me what the abbreviation, which I think is P:gr:, stands for after the ?farm name.

I don't have a birth or baptism for Ole Amundsen so I'm hoping that the ?farm name will give a clue to where he was from.

Takk for hjelpen

Darryl
Sydney Australia

[Tove Dahl Johansen]

Hello

The abbreviation is B. Gr. = Byens Grund

I don't know if I can explain what is Byens Grund in a few words. It was an area outside the city (Christiania), but which was under the jurisdiction of the city.

The word after Amundsen is not a farm name. It is Sougene (or Saugene). Spelling today: Sagene. Sagene became part of the city Christiania in 1859.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagene

The meaning of the word Sagene is sawmills.

Tove DJ

[Tove Dahl Johansen]

Saugene (also spelt Sougene) was at this time a suburb of Christiania.

Tove DJ

[Paul Johan Hals]

I read the word as Saugans. It is plural for Saug. In English 'sawmill'. Today it is called 'Sagene' I believe. It is rather an area than a farm.
The abbreviations after are B. gr. Byens grund. (towns area)
In the Census of 1801 you would find them her:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... =4590#ovre
At the same adress you will also find the second bestman Jens Olsen

With regards

Paul

PS

I noticed that Tove has given you an answer while I wrote. But it seems that we agree.

[gj16333]

Thank you both so much for helping with my query.

The area of Sagene would be in the parish of Aker I think. From other information I believe Ole was born between 1773 and 1779. I have looked at the Aker parish register and there are only two candidates but the second one is not clear to me.

Could you have a look at this entry please for 5 March 1780:

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 010060.jpg

2/3rd the way down on the left hand page.

Is this Ole illegitimate and I'm not certain of his parents names.

Just for interest, my Ole Amundsen married the Stine Jansdatter in the 1801 census. She died 28 Dec 1814 then Ole married her younger sister Kari on 12 August 1815. The marriage of Ole and Kari was quite timely as their first child Christian was born 5 November 1815. It doesn't look like Ole mourned the passing of his wife Stine for very long.

Thank you again Tove and Paul for your help, it is much appreciated.

Regards, Darryl

[Else Berit Rustad]

I don't think this is the right Ole. This Ole, bapt. on March 5, is not Ole Amundsen, but Ole Arnesen. (The parents were Anne Olsdtr. and Arne Tostens., both living at the farm Clemetsrud).

Regards
Else B.

[Tove Dahl Johansen]

I agree with Else.
Also the farm Clemetsrud (in modern spelling Klemetsrud) is quite far away on the other side of Aker.
It can often be difficult to identify the right Ole Olsen. There are - unfortunately - lots and lots of them!

Tove DJ

[dn24354]

There is a cenus for Saugene 1842 where you might find your Ole Olsen. Do you know his wifes name?

http://www.byarkivet.oslo.kommune.no/ge ... strict.pdf

Regards, Kjersti

[gj16333]

Thank you Else, Tove and Kjersti for your advice and help.

Assuming Ole Amundsen was from Sagene (not proved I know but I have nothing other to go on), the only Ole Amundsen baptised in Aker in the right time period was on 14 Aug 1774 to Armand Svendolsen and Gubjos Hansdatter (hope I got that right) here:

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 050660.jpg

bottom of the left hand page. Would Huken be a farm or other location?

This would be the young Ole Amundsen's confirmation:

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 010343.jpg

fourth column, tenth from the bottom.

Can the ?location? after his name be identified please?


And thank you Kjersti for the 1842 Saugene census. Ole Olsen and his father Ole Amundsen would not be in it as the family moved to Nestingen in Spydeberg 1810-1814, just in time for the last battle there between Norway and Sweden in 1814!

I have other family who were most probably in Saugene at that time so I will search the census carefully.

Takk igjen til alle dere for hjelpen, er det mye verdsatt.


Best regards,

Darryl

[Else Berit Rustad]

the only Ole Amundsen baptised in Aker in the right time period was on 14 Aug 1774 to Armand Svendolsen and Gubjos Hansdatter

I'm sorry, but this Ole is Ole Svendsen - not Amundsen His parents are Festemand ( i. e. engaged man) Svend Olsen and Gubjør Hansdr. from Huken.

The confirmation record, however, might show the right Ole.

Regards
Else B.

[gj16333]

Thank you Else, I am laughing a bit now as I do try to work it out for myself but do get it wrong a bit too often it seems. I will try to do better!

Could I ask if the word after Ole Amundsen's name in the confirmation record is important?

Kind regards & thank you

Darryl

[Paul Johan Hals]

Could I ask if the word after Ole Amundsen's name in the confirmation record is important?

The word after Ole's name is Pebervig (Peppervik). Peppervik is a part of Oslo

With regards

Paul

[dn24354]

Here is a map of Christiania 1794:

http://www.byarkivet.oslo.kommune.no/ar ... 1-961.html

Pebbervigen

http://www.byarkivet.oslo.kommune.no/ge ... 5B1%5D.JPG

Vig/Vik means bay

Here are some photos, not from 1794, but ...

https://www.google.no/search?q=pipervik ... 80&bih=858


Regards, Kjersti

[gj16333]

Could I ask if the word after Ole Amundsen's name in the confirmation record is important?

The word after Ole's name is Pebervig (Peppervik). Peppervik is a part of Oslo

With regards

Paul

Thank you very much Paul, I have found Peppervik on the maps for which Kjersti has given me the links.

And thank you too Kjersti for all the links. I have had a good look through the 1842 Saugene census and was very excited to find my ancestors Anne Nielsdatter and her daughter Johanne Resk (Resch) at Myrn as numbers 827 and 828. I also found Anne's brother Johan Frederich Nielson three dwellings away as number 847. I was able to check some other Nielsen marriages and baptisms on the page and found evidence in the father's names and names of sponsors that the other Neilsens on the page were all related somehow.

I very fascinating find thanks to Kjersti which has given me lots of more hints to follow up, thank you so much.

Best Regards

Darryl