Leter etter spor i Norge om Charles Meland fra Tiller marken

[gj13717]

Leter forsatt etter spor i Norge om Charles Meland som emigrerte til America i 1886.

Vi har en god del informasjon om han og hans etterkommende i Amerika, men kan ikke finne tilbake til hans røtter i Norge. Det skal være sagt at han kom fra Tillen marken i Norge.

Har følgende opplysninger om han ifra Minnesota 1900:

Name: Charles Meland
Titles: Residence: Climax village, Polk, Minnesota
Birth Date: Oct 1851 (acc. To US Census 1900, Minn. Polk)
Birth Date acc. to family: Born 6 Oct 1856 Tillen Marken, Norway
Died Date acc. to fam. Info: "12 Feb 1941 Climax, Minnesota
"
Birthplace: Norway
Relationship to Head-of-Household: Self
Spouse Name: Bereth Meland (Født Beret (Birgitt) Ellensdatter,
Spouse Birth Place: Norway, Vetteren i Flaa Hallingdal
Spouse Birth date:22 may 1857 (Far: Ellen Ellenson /Mor: Ragnild Thorsd.)
Father Birthplace: Norway
Mother Birthplace: Norway
Race or Color (expanded): White
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 21
Estimated Marriage Year: 1879
Immigration Year: 1868
Enumeration District: 206
Sheet Number and Letter: 10B
Household ID: 163
Reference Number: 62
GSU Film Number: 1240781
Image Number: 122
Household Gender Age
Charles Meland M
Spouse Bereth Meland F
Child Olaus Meland M
Child Emma Meland F
Child Eline Meland F
Child Clarince Meland M
Child Selmer Meland M

the immigration year differs for Charles..in 1900 census says 1868, but in the 1920 census it says 1875

Alle tips om spor etter han og hans slekt her i Norge settes pris på!! Vi har enda ikke klart å finne ut hvem han var (i Norge) før han dro til Amerika.

[Margit R Bakke]

His wife:

Birgit Ellensdatter Vettern
Birth May 1857 in Gulsvik Flå
Death 15 Jan 1942 in Polk, Minnesota

[Marit Lorvik Sørli]

Kan ikke hjelpe deg med Charles, men fant kona hans med familie her i 1865-tellinga :
http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/we ... k=244#ovre
Dåpen er her, nr 72 :
Kildeinformasjon: Buskerud fylke, Nes, Ministerialbok nr. 9 (1834-1863), Fødte og døpte 1857, side 243.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-258

Men det kan hende du har dette ?

[gj13717]

Takk skal du ha! Har faktisk funne ganske mye om hennes familie, før de reiste til USA i 1879/1880 (både i kirkebøker for Flå og tellinger som er gjort). Men om han finner jeg bare reg. i USA Minnesota.

Jeg leiter på vegne av venner i USA.

Setter pris på all hjelp

[dn19075]

Fra et familietre på ancestry:

Charles Kjell Meland

Birth 1852 in Norge
Death 12 Feb 1941 in Polk Minnesota USA

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så det er mulig at han het Kjell i Norge, og så ble Charles i USA.

[dn19075]

Charlis Meland

Birth: 1857
Death: Feb. 12, 1941


Burial:
Sand Hill Lutheran Church Cemetery
Climax
Polk County
Minnesota, USA

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... d=2161655&

[gj13717]

Hei,

Takk for tipset! Skal sjekke dette opp!
Ja det er fult mulig, og jeg regner med, at han har skiftet navn i USA. For jeg finner han ikke under tellingen her i Norge 1865.

[gj06100]

Hei!
In the 1900 Polk county (Vineland Twp) census he is indexed as Charl "Neland" (at Heritage Quest)...
His oldest son, Olaus, was born Nov. 1880 in North Dakota.
Not sure if this is "Charles"...but in the ND Naturalizations there is a Charle J. Meland, in Walsh Co, ND, October 1882.
mvh Patty

[Margit R Bakke]

Last Name First Name Date of Birth Date of Death Cemetery ID Cemetery Section Notes
MELAND CLARICE 1915 22/MAR/1930 1084 VD 3 SAND HILL SP: ORDIN SELMER BORN SAND HILL MN
MELAND ORDIN SELMER 1915 19/APR/1916 1084 VD 3 SAND HILL SP: CLARICE BORN SAND HILL MN
MELAND BERET MRS. 1858 14/JAN/1942 1084 VD 3 SAND HILL BORN NORWAY DIED VINELAND TWP. POLK CO. MN
MELAND CAROLINE MRS. 1887 29/DEC/1939 1084 VD 3 SAND HILL BORN TRAILL CO. ND DIED VINELAND TWP. POLK CO. MN
MELAND CHARLIE 1857 12/FEB/1941 1084 VD 3 SAND HILL

[Else Berit Rustad]

Samme etterlysning ligger her:

https://slektsforum.slektogdata.no/view ... hp?t=96610

Hilde burde vel kanskje gjort oppmerksom på det?

Mvh
Else B.

[gj13717]

Beklager men jeg er ganske fersk på dette.

Samme etterlysning ligger også under Sør-Trøndelag/Klæbu...

Hilde

[gj06100]

Hei igjen Hilde!
Do you know anything about Olaus (b. 1880 in North Dakota)?
He does not seem to be listed at the Sand Hill cemetery...
Are you interested in what became of him?

mvh Patty

[gj13717]

Hi,

I'm doing this for friends in the US. And first of all they wanted to find out about Charles Meland's family here in Norway. They only knew about his birth day and death. And that he should come from Tiller marken Norway. But I'm sure they are happy to fill inn any blank information they have on his children as well. They had a little bit:

Olous - male - have no information on birth or death
Sophia - female - have no information on birth or death
Emma - female - born - 16 May 1882, died - 17 July 1944
Eva - female - born - 9 Sept 1884, no information on death
Clarence - male - born - 24 Nov 1892, no information on death
Selmer - male - born - 24 Apr 1897, died 14 Sept 1978

I found the following children and info from United States Census, 1900 :

Olaus Meland, Climax village, Polk, Minn., birth Nov 1880, North Dakota, no info on death
Emma Meland, Climax village, Polk, Minn. birth May 1882, Minnesota
Eline Meland, Climax village, Polk, Minn. Birth Sep 1884, North Dakota
Clarence Meland, Climax village, Polk, Minn. Birth Sep 1892
Selmer Meland, Climax village, Polk, Minn. birth Apr 1897, Minnesota

So if you can help me fill in the blanks that will be nice:-)

Hilde

[dn19075]

Minnesota Death Index, 1908-2002
about Clarence C. Meland Name: Clarence C. Meland
Birth Date: 24 Nov 1892
Death Date: 13 Jan 1988
Death County: Pope
Mother's Maiden Name: Vettern
State File Number: 001849
Certificate Number: 001849
Certificate Year: 1988
Record Number: 2273977

[dn19075]

1920 United States Federal Census
about Clarence Meland Name: Clarence Meland
Home in 1920: Vineland, Polk, Minnesota
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Birthplace: North Dakota
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse's Name: Caroline Meland
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Clarence Meland 27
Caroline Meland 30
Clarice Meland 5
Bernice Meland 1

[dn19075]

http://www.climax.k12.mn.us/church/Ceme ... 3-2008.htm

Last Name First Name Maiden Name Place of Birth Year of Birth Year of Death Day & Month of Death Age at Death Section Number Lot Number Notes Military Veteran

Jordahl Emma Meland Climax 1882 1944 July 18 62 40 6 & 7

Gjestrum Ella (Mrs Even) Meland 1885 1970 May 25 85 85 2

Gorden Alice Meland Sand Hill 1926 2005 Mar 9 79 A 88

Meland Mrs. Beret Norway 1858 1942 Jan 14 84 A 93

Meland Caroline Trail County, ND 1887 1939 Dec 29 52 A 99

Meland Charlie Norway 1857 1941 Feb 12 84 A 100

Meland Clarence C 1892 1983 Jan 13 91 A 98

Meland Clarice Sand Hill 1915 1930 Mar 22 16 A 94

Meland Ordin Selmer Sand Hill 1915 1916 April 19 1 A 96

[dn19075]

1920 United States Federal Census
about Emma Jordahl Name: Emma Jordahl
Home in 1920: Vineland, Polk, Minnesota
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Birthplace: Minnesota
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Marital Status: Widowed
[Widow]
Race: White
Sex: Female
Home owned: Own
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Jordahl 38
Edwin Jordahl 18
Clara Jordahl 17
Olans Jordahl 15
Stella Jordahl 14
George Jordahl 12
Earnest Jordahl 7

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1910 United States Federal Census
about Emma Jordahl Name: Emma Jordahl
Age in 1910: 27
Estimated Birth Year: 1883
Birthplace: Minnesota
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Spouse's Name: Siver Jordahl
Home in 1910: Tynsid, Polk, Minnesota
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Siver Jordahl 44
Emma Jordahl 27
Elwin Jordahl 9
Clara B Jordahl 7
Alaus R Jordahl 5
Stella M Jordahl 3
George Jordahl 2
Erik E Jordahl 51

[dn19075]

Minnesota Death Index, 1908-2002
about Ella Gjestrum Name: Ella Gjestrum
Birth Date: 9 Sep 1884
Death Date: 25 May 1970
Death County: Polk
Mother's Maiden Name: Vottern
State File Number: 015370
Certificate Number: 015370
Certificate Year: 1970
Record Number: 1778142

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1920 United States Federal Census
about Ella Gestrum Name: Ella Gestrum
[Ella Gutrum]
Home in 1920: Vineland, Polk, Minnesota
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Birthplace: North Dakota
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Even Gestrum
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Female
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Even Gestrum 37
Ella Gestrum 36
Mame Gestrum 12
Alvin Gestrum 10
Rudolph Gestrum 8
Bennie Gestrum 6
Juden Gestrum 4
Belva Gestrum 1

[gj13717]

Tusen takk for all informasjonen du har lagt inn!!!!

Mvh, Hilde

[gj13717]

Looks like he has taken his mothers maiden name:
Social Security Death Index
Birth, Marriage & Death
Name: Olaus Vettern
Birth:date
Death: dd mm 1978 - city, Bottineau, North Dakota, United States of America
Civil: Montana
Other: city, Bottineau, North Dakota, United States of America

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Olaus O Vettern
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Spouse's Name: Olga Vettern
Birth: abt 1880 - location
Residence: 1930 - city, Bottineau, North Dakota

[gj06100]

Oh, great Hilde...you found Olaus!..and he used his mother's last name!!

He is also in Bottineau county,ND in 1920..married to Alea (?spelling) age 26.
They have 2 daughters, Mildred age 3 and Francis age 2.
mvh Patty

[gj06100]

Hei igjen!
Olaus is in Bottineau county in 1910, but his name is indexed as Olaus "Uettern"(in Heritage Quest)...he is age 30 and single...
mvh Patty

[Anne Merete Bergane]

Hei.
Vet du hvor i Norge denne Tiller marken skal være?
Mvh Anne

[gj06100]

Sorry...I can see now that Olaus' wife's name is Olga in the 1920 census....
It was hard to read...
mvh Patty

[gj13717]

Hei,

Nei det er problemet. Eneste opplysninger jeg har det som er lagt ut. Og det skal være sagt at han kom fra "Tiller marken"(oppl. fra familie). Fødselsdato 06.10.1856 er oppgitt ifra familie i USA (årstallet varierer når en søker opp navnet hans der borte). Siden jeg ikke kan finne navnet hans her i digitalarkivet (tellinger gjort i 1865) regner jeg med at han har skiftet navn da han kom over. Har funnet 1868 som årstall for immigrasjon og regner med at han giftet seg i 1879-1880, da han først sønn var født i nov 1880. Og hans kone står utskrevet ifra kirkeprotokoll i Nes sammen med sin famile i 1880.

Mvh, Hilde

[gj13717]

Yes, Olga is correct. I found it on http://www.familysearch.org
Can not find his brother Selmer there....

[dn20182]

Som jeg nevnte i den andre tråden under Klæbu, og som Else B har lagt inn lenke til ovenfor, tror jeg fremdeles det vil være lurt å undersøke hvorvidt det med Tiller marken kan være ment Tellemarken, dvs. Telemark fylke - og på den tiden i så fall bygdene i den øvre delen av dagens fylke, fordi den nedre ble kalt Bratsberg (som også den gang var det formelle navnet på hele amtet).

[gj13717]

Hei,

Har søkt i digitalarkivet både i telemark og Sør-trøndelag uten hell.
Har du forslag til andre plasser jeg kan leite?

Takk for innl.

Hilde

[gj06100]

Yes, Hilde that makes sense...it is Telemark that "Charles" came from...
Perhaps his first name was Karl "over there" on your side of the Atlantic??
mvh Patty

[gj06100]

Oh, I wanted to say I found one "Charles Mylan" in the 1880 Grand Forks, ND census...age 30 and he is a widow...
don't know if this has any possibilities...
mvh Patty

[dn20182]

Nei, dessverre, ikke i farten. Kan Charles ha fullstendig skiftet fornavn - altså ikke fra Karl, mon tro? Det spørs om ikke oppnøstingen her vil måtte skje fra hva man måtte finne i USA. Kan han være nevnt i Telesoga i USA (om han virkelig var fra Telemark, da?) Den er vel ikke digitalisert, tenker jeg. Giftermålet var kanskje i USA, er det funnet? Vet man noe om hvilke distrikter i Norge de fleste innvandrerne i Polk kom fra?

[Anne Merete Bergane]

Hei igjen.
Det er også et område i Sigdal som heter Trillemarka. Veien over til Flå er ikke lang hvis han gikk på frierføtter før han reiste over til Amerika.
Mvh Anne

[dn20182]

Men Trillemarka som betegnelse, ville vel helst være knyttet til utmarksområder - mens der det var gardsbruk og plasser og bodde folk, vil vel en stedsbetegnelse normalt ha vært mer lokalt knyttet til dal eller grend? Jeg synes derfor det virker litt merkelig om noen den gang skulle ha oppgitt å være fra Trillemarka. http://www.trillemarka.no/

[Anne Merete Bergane]

Hei
Prøv å søke i digitalarkivet; Mæland. Fikk over 1800 treff ved å søke bosatte på gårder mellom 1800 og 1900.
Mvh Anne

[dn23027]

Denne karen i Telemark er litt interessant: Kittil Olsen født 5.10.1856, det er bl.a. faddere fra Meland, nederst venstre side:Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-115

Han er her i 1865, faren er blitt enkemann : http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/We ... k=809#ovre

Konfirmeres 1871, nr 22: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-241

Heter du Kittil (Ketil.."Kjell"?) i Norge, skifter du kanskje til et enklere navn i USA?

Det er flere Kittil Olsen i utflytningslistene i kb, men fant ikke akkurat denne karen i farten. Emigrantlister har jeg ikke sett på, heller ikke om han faktisk forsvant fra kirkebøkene i Hjartdal (vielse, dødsfall)

mvh
Linda

[gj13717]

Hei,

Mangen tips og opplysninger kommet inn her:-) Så flott!!
Vedr. det siste;
På et familietre på ancestry.com dukker det opp følgende:

Buskerud-slekter
Public Member Tree
4 attached records, 4 sources Charles Kjell Meland
Birth: dd mm 1852 - Norge (Norway)
Death: date - Polk, Minnesota, USA
Spouse: name surname

Men jeg har ikke tilgang til å sjekke dette...
(Om det er andre i slekten i USA som har laget dette vet jeg ikke).

Jeg setter pris på all hjelp og skal sjekke opp alle tipsene:-)
Thx,
Hilde

[gj13717]

Vedr. giftemålet med Beret:
Jeg er ganske sikker på at det skjedde i Amerika. Har ikke funnet noe på det enda. Men hun reiste over i 1880 ifølge kirkebøkene i Flå sammen med sin mor, far, og søsken.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?s ... e=nei&ls=1
På han finner jeg immigrasjons årstall som 1868 og 1873.

[gj11938]

Jeg kan se det treet på ancestry, men de oppgir ikke hvor denne mannen kommer fra. Men kona er
Birgit Ellensdatter Vettern
Birth May 1857 in Gulsvik Flå
Death 15 Jan 1942 in Polk, Minnesota

Plassen heter Væteren u. Nigarden Gulsvik og det er antageligvis i Flå i Buskerud men jeg vet ikke.

og så er det en mengde slektinger av henne , blant annet fra Krødsherad og Flå i Buskerud. Og mange som reiste til Amerika.

[Margit R Bakke]

If you can tell me exactly what you are searching for in Polk County about this family, I will see what I can find. In English please. Polk County is just north of me and I have some books on the area.

[gj13717]

Hi,

I'm looking for anything that can give me a hint that leads back to Charles Meland's family here in Norway. I know much about his wife and her family, but can't find much about him. We know his birthdate and date of death (see on top of the page), and that he should come from Tiller marken Norway. Have found one place where his name was written Charles Kjell Meland. Have not yeat found what date they got married, but I think it must be late 1879 or early 1880. His first son was born nov 1880. Also, I want to find out what year he came over, and with what ship he came with. Have found different years like 1868 and 1875..
Thanks for any help you can give me:-)

[gj06100]

Hei igjen...
I suppose you have seen this...in the 1900 census it says Charles and his wife have been married 21 years...the census was done in June of 1900.

Hilde can you again provide the link about Beret's emigration...the last one did not work.

mvh Patty

[Svehn Ruskelöv]

Here is the link about Beret´s imigration and her family in nov.? 1880, right side nr.22..... : http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-338

Mvh,Svehn.

[Svehn Ruskelöv]

Hvem er han/ who is he ? : http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... =1616#ovre

Årstallene stemmer ikke heldt.

Mvh,Svehn.

[gj13717]

Hei,

Har tidligere fått opp denne Charles Olsen Meland, men slått han ifra meg som et alternativ, da han er noe yngre enn den Charles Meland jeg leter etter. Og fordi han ikke reiser før Sept 1880. Charles Meland's eldste sønn var født Nov 1880 i USA.

[gj13717]

If anyone can help...
Can't find anything on Selmer Meland after 1910... But I know he died in 1978
(Selmer - male - born - 24 Apr 1897, died 14 Sept 1978)
Can't find him under the name Selmer Meland or Selmer Vettern (like his brother Olaus did, take his mothers last name).
Just a though, if Charles jused to have a different last name in Norway, if Selmer could have used that when he grew up?...

[Margit R Bakke]

Did you try Sam? Very common name for Selmer here in America.

[Margit R Bakke]

Minnesota Birth Index, 1935-2002
Name: Selvin Clayton Meland
Birth Date: 24 Aug 1936
Birth County: Polk
Father: Selmer Meland
Mother: Clarice Larson
File Number: 1936-MN-025111



MELAND ORDIN SELMER 1915 19/APR/1916 1084 VD 3 SAND HILL SP: CLARICE BORN SAND HILL MN

[gj13717]

Margit,

Thank you.. with this information I came over something on Rootsweb from 2003...:
"My great grandfather supposedly came from the Tinn area of Telemarken, Norway.In the USA his name on the 1st papers of citizenship papers was Charle J Meland and was born about 1856 he emigrated to the USA on or about May of 1875 it also looks like maybe 1874the last three letters after the F are hard to readbut I am leaning towards the Five. He became a citizen Oct. 14 1882.I also found in the one church record his name spelled Karl J Meland .He also had a Brother or Cousin from Norway living in the USA named Ole E Meland born June 1845. Any Help on this would be appreciated I have tried the Digitalarkivet on passengers list"

And an answere to this:

"It was 1842 when the party left Tinn for America. Here is the family:
Østen Gunleksen Mæland age 29 and previously a landowner
Anne Olsdatter age 29 and his wife from farm Øverland
Gunlek Østensen age 8
Ole Østensen age 4
Jon Østensen age 1

Charles would have been born in America.

I show that they went to Muskego in Wisconsin where Østen was a signer of the famous "Muskego Manifesto". Then they pressed on to Harmony, MN like many from Tinn. I have the highest regard for Østen Mæland becase my g-g-grandfather Tov Østensen Bøen was $100 in debt when he reached the Harmony region in 1860. The $100 does not mean much today but it was five years pay for a cotter back then. Østen was at Harmony in 1860. Years later, Tov's son Martin wrote that his father "did not forget the opportunities Østen Mæland had placed before him when he came to the U. S."

......

Wrote on the message board hoping for a reply..

[Margit R Bakke]

Who wrote it on rootsweb? I have an M.O. Meland who married a relative of mine and was in Polk County of Minnesota in 1885. I have no idea where he was from or where they went after 1885, I suspect Canada.

1 Ida Gilbertson. Born in 1864 in Wisconsin.

Ida married M. O. Meland.

2 Gulbrand "Gilbert" Gulbrandsen "Gilbertson". Born on 1 Apr 1829 in Vardal, Oppland, Norway. Christened on 20 Apr 1829 in Vardal, Oppland, Norway. Confirmed on 16 Jul 1844 in Svennes Oppland Norway.

Leaving Norway with his wife:
Utflytta frå Valdres 1816-1867
Forenamn Etternamn Gard Stand Alder Reisemål År Nr. Dato Sokn Prestegjeld

1001 Gulbrand Gulbr Næseie 32 Aar Amerika 1862 15 14 a pril Svenes Nord-Aurdal
1002 Sidsel Helgesd Næseie Kone 25 Aar Amerika 1862 16 14 a pril Svenes Nord-Aurdal

Ingebor's brother, Gilbert Gilbertson was born Gulbrand Gulbrandson. His
wife was Sissel Helgeson who died Nov 1869 of typhoid fever (1870 Census).
Sissel was the sister to my g-g-grandfather, Gulbrand Helgeson (known in
America as Gilbert Henderson). Thank you for finding Gilbert Gilbertson for
me in the 1880 census.
    Jim Christopherson

Living in Houston Township of Houston County in 1865 census with a Andrew Munson. Others in the household.
Andrew Munson
Gilberts Gilbertson
Sarah Gilbertson
John Gilbertson
Ida Gilbertson
Christa Anderson
Knud Anderson
Thor Anderson

Located in Houston Township of Houston County in the 1870 census.
Living with her brother Gulbrand (Gilbert)
Gilbert Gilberts age 40 born Norway
John age 8 born Wisconsin
Ida age 6 born Wisconsin
Henry age 4 born Minnesota
Julia age 2 born Minnesota
Gilbert age 1 born Minnesota
Isabel age 50 born Norway

Living in Houston Township of Houston County in the 1875 census
Gilbert Gilbertson age 47 born in Norway
Elea Gilbertson age 47 born in Norway
John Gilbertson age 12 born in Wisconsin
Ida Gilbertson age 10 born in Wisconsin
Henry Gilbertson age 9 born in Minnesota
Julie Gilbertson age 7 born in Minnesota
Gilbert Gilbertson age 6 born in Minnesota
Gustavus Gilbertson age 5 born in Minnesota
Senna Gilbertson age 3 born in Minnesota

In the 1880 census they are living in Houston Township of Houston County
Isabel Hanson age 57
Christian age 17 son
Gilbert Gilbertson age 48 brother
Gilbert Jr. age 11 Nephew
Gustave age 8 Nephew
Sena age 6 Niece


Ole Hanson age 63
Andrew age 34
Martin age 19
(Isabel's husband and sons)

John Gilbertson is living with:
Ole Knudtson age 51 born in Norway
Isabel Knudtson age 57 born in Norway
Knudt age 25 son to Ole
his wife Stina age 24
Ole age 19
Anna age 13
John Gilbertson age 19 servant

Julia Gilbertson is living with:
Knut Henderson age 26
Enger G. Henderson age 73 mother
Julia Gilbertson age 12 niece

In the 1885 census, Ida is married and living in Polk County of Minnesota.

M. O. Meland age 31
Ida Meland age 21 born in Wisconsin
Henry Gilbertsa age 19
Julia Gilbertsa age 17
Sina Gilbertsa age 12

On 18 Jan 1858 when Gulbrand "Gilbert" was 28, he married Sidsel Helgesdatter in Nord Aurdal Oppland Norway.

3 Sidsel Helgesdatter. Born on 7 Sep 1837 in Nord Aurdal Oppland Norway. Sidsel died in Houston County Minnesota, in 1869; she was 31.
[/quote]

[gj13717]

Margit,

this is the link:

http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.s ... 57/mb.ashx

[Anne Merete Bergane]

Hei.
Jeg kan ikke få denne nøtta ut av hodet, og har forsøkt å sammenfatte litt.
Beret Ellensd. f. 1856 reiste fra Flå med sin far, mor og søsken i mars 1880. Hennes første barn Olaus ble født nov 1880. Kan det være mulig at Olaus var usynlig med på lasset? eller var det et kort svangerskap? Kan Beret ha blitt gift i "all hast" med en annen mann når de kom fram til Minn? Ble Beret enke en gang etter barn nr. 3? Det er 8 års forskjell på nr. 3 og nr. 4. Olaus tok jo også morens pikenavn etterhvert.
Husmannssønn Carl Kittilsen fra gården Molbrække, Tinn, ble født 16.1.1852, døpt 22.1.1852, konfirmert 30.9.1866. Attest for utflytting 5.3.1884. Reiste 14.3.1884 til Spring Valley, Minn. Gården Molbrække ble i 1900 drevet av en bror og moren Jørgine bor der som enke. Har forsøkt å finne gården på kart uten resultat. Går ut fra at den ligger ikke langt fra Attrå kirke og gårdene Meland og Miland på veien fra Austbygd mot Rjukan.
Så et siste spørsmål. Hvem av Berets barn er ane til dine venner i US?
Mvh Anne

[gj13717]

Hei,

Har fått noe respons på Rootsweb.com:
1.-"According to this census (1900), your Charles Meland was born in October 1851, and immigrated in 1868. His wife Bereth immigrated in 1879 and they were married within a year of her arrival."
2.-"I have seen a posting at ancestry.com that says Charles was actually named "Kjell" in Norway. I can't verify this, but it is a possibility."
3,-"Not exactly Kjell, but Kjetil, or written very oldfashioned Kittil.
Kjetil was the Tinn-variation of that name."

Har i tillegg funnet følgende iht div. census på samme person (gift med Beret):
According to census 1895, he is to be find under the name Charles Malund, est. birth 1859.
According to census 1905, he is to be find under the name Chas Miland, est. birth 1853
Another time as Charley Miland, Immigration Year 1873.

Om hun skulle ha barn før de reiste vet jeg ingen ting om, og jeg tror ikke familen har noe info om dette heller:-) Vet de (andre i familen enn mine venner) har prøvd å finne ut mer om Charles Meland før, men ikke kommet lenger...

Mine venner er etterkommere av Emma Meland og Siver Jordahl. Men jeg er faktisk ikke helt sikker på hvilke av deres barn igjen som er mine venners besteforeldre... (men det vet nok de:-)

Setter pris på all hjelp... Klarer ikke legge dette ifra meg:-)
Hilde

[gj13717]

Har ikke kommet lenger på Charles Meland.. men jobber nå med å finne Sivert Jordahl sine røtter i Norge (Charles Meland sin svigersønn):

United States Census, 1910 for Sivert Jordahl



Name: Sivert Jordahl
Birthplace: Minnesota
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Residence: Tynsid, Polk, Minnesota
Marital Status: Married
Race : White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year:
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Family Number: 80
Page Number: 5
Household Gender Age
Sivert Jordahl M 44y
Spouse Emma Jordahl F 27y (born Meland)
Child Edwin Jordahl M 9y
Child Clara B Jordahl F 7y
Child Olaus R Jordahl M 5y
Child Stella M Jordahl F 3y
Child George Jordahl M 2y
Erik E Jordahl M 51y (bror)



Minnesota State Census, 1885 for Erik O Jordal



Name: Erik O Jordal
Residence: Tynsid, Polk, Minnesota
Age: 64 years
Estimated Birth Year: 1821
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Gender: Male
Family Number: 38
Volume: Polk
Page Number: 6
Film Number: 565750
Household Gender Age
Erik O Jordal M 64y
Kari E Jordal F 59y
Erik E Jordal M 24y
John E Jordal M 23y
Suier E Jordal M 20y
Ole E Jordal M 15y
Karoline E Jordal F 10y

Immigration Year: 1860
Estimated Marriage Year: 1850

[gj06100]

Hei hei!
I find SYVER Jordahl, age 33, in Traill County, North Dakota in the 1900 census...
Born Jan 1867 in MN. He is single...
There is an Ole Jordahl, age 29, listed on the same census page.
mvh Patty

[dn19075]

familysearch.org:

name: Eirik Olson Jordahl
gender: Male
birth: 1822
Vossestrand,Hordaland,Nwy

AFN: 2H7V-WGX

Parents
father: Ole Eirikson Hylland Jordalen (AFN: 2H7V-TTV )
mother: Brita Jonsdtr. Jordalen (AFN: 2H7V-V5W )

[gj13717]

Takk for informasjonen. Ved hjelp av dette fant jeg dette slektstreet:-)

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/us ... -0021.html

og her lå all informasjonen.



Charles Meland fra Tillermarken er fortsatt en nøtt.
Har fått tilbakemelding fra USA at de ikke har funnet noe mer ut der heller om hans fortid i Norge.

Er det noen som vet om det finnes et slags registrering over de som byttet navn når de kom til Amerika? For så lang tyder alt på at han må ha endret navn da han kom over....

Hilde

[Leif Bjørn Mathiesen]

Et skudd i blinde kanskje.

Meland var(er?) en gård i Lyngdal, Vest-Agder.
Der finnes en Karl A.Karlsen 20 år ved FT1865. Han er sjømann.
Karl Karlsen fra Meland = Charles Meland ??

http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/We ... =2042#ovre

Tillermark er en husmansplass i Klæbu, Sør-Trøndelag.
http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/We ... amn=f61662

[gj13717]

Hi again,

Har funnet noe som viser til side (page) 102.
Men kan ikke finne det som denne indeksen refererer til. Noen som vet??

Traill County, ND, Trail County Index to "Pioneers"

This index was prepared by Gerry Mohn, <[email protected]>. This work includes many
of the early settlers along the Red River and should be a valuable source of genealogical
information for researchers as towns and townships are given.

Sources: Red River Valley Genealogical Society, http://www.fargocity.com/~rrvgs/ and Institute
for Regional Studies, NDSU , http://www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/ndirs/bio ... index.html.

Husband Wife Page Township
------- ---- ---- --------
Meland, Charlie Meland, Mrs. Charlie 102 Mn. Pioneers

Notes
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Charlie b
1856-1941 NO; 5 children


...leter fortsatt etter spor om Charles Meland i Norge.

[Margit R Bakke]

1885 census in Traill County of North Dakota:

13-027-25 Mellen, Chas 28 Husband Farmer Norway Traill
13-027-26 Mellen, Beret 28 Wife Housekeeper Norway Traill
13-027-27 Mellen, Helene 9/12 Sept Daughter Dakota Traill
13-027-28 Mellen, Emma 3 Daughter Dakota Traill
13-027-29 Mellen, Olaus 4 Son Dakota Traill