Ole J. Svare f 1883 i Canadian Passenger Lists 1865-1935?

[dn10457]

Ole Johhannessen Svare, f i "Sørfolden" 1883, emigrerte til Canada/Vetaskewin over Trondheim i 1902. Han ble registrert i Trondheim 19.03.1902. Derfra reiste han med Tasso (2) til Hull. Fra England skulle han videre til Canada med Allan Line, så vidt jeg vet til Halifax.

Er det mulig å finne Ole i Canadian Passenger Lists 1865-1935 med bakgrunn i disse opplysningene? (Jeg har ikke lykkes så langt).

Mvh Thomas Mauritzen

[Laila Normann Christiansen]

Hei!
Jeg ser at det er flere Svare , er dette Oles søsken som også dro over?

[dn10457]

Ja, både søsken og andre i familien. Av Johannes Arnesen Svares 9 barn emigrerte 7 til Canada. Det skjedde i tre puljer:
Først dro Ole, som jeg nå prøver å finne reiseruten for, hvilke skip, med avreise- og ankomstdatoer Norge - England - Canada.

Neste pulje reiste med emigrantskipet Oscar II fra Kristiania 12.02.1903. Den besto av Johannes´ datter med ektemannen Halvor Hansen og deres datter Anna, samt Hans J. Svare. Skipet kom ut i et overhendig uvær i Atlanteren og var nær ved å forlise. Søkte nødhavn i Ponta Delgada på Azorene 27.02.1903, og kunne ikke seile videre. Grosser Kurfürst fra Norddeutscher Loyd ble hyret for å bringe passasjerene til bestemmelsestedet. Avreise Azorene 13.03.1903, ankomst New York 20.03.1903.

Tredje pulje reiste med emigrantskipet United States fra Kristiania 04.06.1903 og kom til NY 19.06.1903 etter en udramatisk reise. Gruppen besto av ni personer i alderen 11 mnder - 30 år.

Fra Statens arkiver i Danmark har jeg fått passasjerlistene for den aktuelle overfart for hhv Oscar II og United States, samt en fyldig rapport til politiet i København om Oscar IIs dramatiske overfart. Hvordan pulje II og III reiste videre fra NY til Canada har jeg ikke funnet ut.

Hans J. Svare kom senere tilbake og giftet seg i Norge. Ekteparet returnerte til Canada i 1909 etter å ha ordnet med emigrasjon for gamle Johannes Svare.

Mvh Thomas Mauritzen

[Margit R Bakke]

Here is a web page connected to Jeff Svare, who has researched Svare's in Canada & USA.

http://www.xmission.com/~jsvare/slekt/svare/svare.html

[Margit R Bakke]

On ancestry.com
Contact: Wendy
[email protected]

# ID: I02360
# Name: Ole Johannes Svare
# Sex: M
# Birth: 10 APR 1883 in Bodo
# Death: 19 NOV 1953 in Hay Lakes Alberta Canada

Father: Johannes Arnesen Svare b: 1 AUG 1845 in Vaga Gudbrandsdalen
Mother: Marit Amundsdotter b: 27 DEC 1846 in Dovre


Marriage 1 Elise Petrine Kristensen b: 1882

* Married: 24 OCT 1904

Children

1. Living Sware
2. Living Sware
3. Living Sware
4. Living Sware
5. Living Sware
6. Living Sware
7. Living Sware
8. Living Sware
9. Ida Sware b: 1919

1 Johannes Arnesen Svare b: 1 AUG 1845 d: 1931
+ Marit Amundsdotter b: 27 DEC 1846 d: 23 NOV 1907
2 Anton Svare b: 19 JUN 1873 d: 10 MAR 1934
+ Karen Margaret Pedersdatter b: 7 JAN 1879 d: 9 JUN 1959
3 Astrid Knute Sware b: 8 AUG 1901 d: 1985
+ John Warcup Morrison b: 9 MAR 1899 d: 1980
4 Douglas Morrison b: 1 SEP 1925 d: 18 NOV 1994
+ Living Orum
5 Living Morrison
+ Living Kiger
6 Living Morrison
6 Living Morrison
6 Living Friley
5 Living Morrison
+ Living Wagar
6 Living Wagar
+ Living Hutchinson
6 Living Wagar
5 Living Morrison
+ Living St. Laurent
6 Living St. Laurent
6 Living St. Laurent
6 Living St. Laurent
6 Living St. Laurent
5 Norman Douglas Morrison b: JAN 1955 d: 1956
4 Donald Morrison b: 1 SEP 1925 d: 15 SEP 1996
+ Living Smith
5 Living Morrison
+ Living Barclay
6 Living Barclay
5 Living Morrison
+ Living Schlecht
6 Living Holmes
6 Living Holmes
6 Living Morrison
6 Living Morrison
4 Lewis Morrison b: 26 MAR 1934 d: 11 JAN 2001
+ Living Dyck
5 Living Dyck
+ Living Lillico
6 Living Lillico
6 Living Lillico
+ Living DeWeese
4 Absalom Morrison b: 1923 d: APR 2003
+ Living O'Neil
5 Living Morrison
+ Living Fairservices
6 Living Morrison
5 Living Morrison
4 Karen Margrete Morrison b: 9 APR 1922 d: 1983
+ John Wesley Minue b: 1922 d: 12 MAY 1997
5 Living Minue
+ Living Paul
6 Living Minue
6 Living Minue
5 Lana Marie Minue b: 14 DEC 1946 d: 18 FEB 2005
+ Living Fjeseth
5 Living )
+ Living Rouse
5 Living Minue
3 John Sware b: 25 JUL 1899 d: 1968
+ Annie Moen b: 1901 d: 1963
4 Margaret Sware b: 1931 d: 1931
4 Living Sware
+ William Wacke b: 1923 d: 1974
5 Living Wacke
5 Living Wacke
5 Living Wacke
5 Living Wacke
4 Living Sware
+ Living Diakow
5 Living Sware
5 Living Sware
5 Living Sware
5 Living Sware
5 Living Sware
4 Living Sware
+ Living Homoniuk
5 Living Sware
5 Living Sware
4 Living Sware
+ Living Basarab
5 Living Sware
5 Living Sware
5 Living Sware
4 Living Sware
+ Living Cooper
3 Peter Sware b: 1 JAN 1904 d: 1945
+ Living Staub
4 Living Sware
+ Living Sheminosky
5 Living Sware
5 Living Sware
5 Living Sware
5 Living Sware
5 Living Sware
5 Living Sware
5 Living Sware
5 Living Sware
4 Velna Sware b: 1923 d: 1975
+ Living Shermack
5 Living Shermack
+ Living Garcelon
5 Living Shermack
5 Living Shermack
5 Living Shermack
4 Living Sware
+ Living Heuer
5 Living Heuer
+ Living Espetveidt
5 Living Heuer
4 Karen Sware b: 1941 d: 1974
+ Living Poettcker
5 Living Poettcker
5 Living Poettcker
4 Living Sware
+ Living Rumka
5 Living Sware
5 Living Sware
4 Petra Sware b: 1945 d: 1945
3 Living Sware
+ Anders Lyseng b: 1891 d: 1979
4 Living Lyseng
4 Living Lyseng
3 Maude Sware b: 1907 d: 1969
+ Johnnie S Johnson b: 1904 d: 1975
4 Living Johnson
4 Living Johnson
4 Living Johnson
4 Living Johnson
3 Living Sware
+ Donald Fisher b: 1908 d: 1975
4 Living Fisher
4 Living Fisher
3 William Sware b: 1911 d: 1977
+ Anna Mccoy b: 1907 d: 1980
4 Living Sware
4 Living Sware
4 Living Sware
4 Living Sware
4 Living Sware
+ Living Likins
3 Helen Sware b: 1913 d: 1956
+ Living Lyle
4 Living Lyle
+ Living Jennings
4 Living Lyle
+ Living Charif
3 Living Sware
+ Living Mccoy
4 Living Mccoy
4 Living Mccoy
4 Living Mccoy
4 Living Mccoy
4 Living Mccoy
3 Living Sware
+ Living Ferguson
4 Living Sware
+ Living Stanley
4 Living Sware
2 Anna Karoline Svare b: 18 DEC 1874 d: 1963
+ Nils Johanson b: 24 SEP 1865
3 Maria Josefine Nordquist b: 29 OCT 1895
+ Jahann Justad
4 Living Justad
4 Living Justad
4 Living Justad
4 Living Justad
3 Jenny Nordquist b: 23 JUL 1897
+ Olav Karlsen
4 Living Karlsen
4 Living Karlsen
3 Frida Nordquist b: 28 JUL 1899
+ Magnus Mauritzen b: 1898
4 Living Mauritzen
4 Living Mauritzen
4 Living Mauritzen
3 Hilda Nordquist b: 30 JUL 1901
3 Anna Nordquist b: 30 JUL 1901
3 Karen Nordquist b: NOV 1903 d: 1939
2 Johannes Svare b: 24 SEP 1876 d: 20 MAY 1950
+ Johanna Olsdatter b: MAY 1880 d: 8 NOV 1962
3 Magnus Svare b: 26 JAN 1900 d: 16 FEB 1981
3 Peder Marius Svare b: 3 JUN 1901
3 Ole Svare b: 22 MAR 1902 d: 8 DEC 1974
3 Hjalmer Svare b: ABT 1903
3 Johnny Svare b: AFT 1903
3 Living Svare
3 Edith Svare b: AFT 1903
3 Betsy Svare b: AFT 1903
3 Beatrice Svare b: AFT 1903
3 Trygve Svare b: APR 1912 d: 14 JUL 1974
2 Thora Svare b: 30 AUG 1878 d: 28 JAN 1912
+ Edvard Abelsen b: 13 APR 1875
3 Alma Edvardsen b: 15 MAR 1900
3 Living Edvardsen
2 Johanna Marie Svare b: 19 AUG 1880 d: 13 NOV 1952
+ Halvor Andreas Hansen b: 3 APR 1870 d: 1 OCT 1941
3 Anna Helena Hansen b: DEC 1901 d: JUL 1903
3 Julia Marie Hansen b: MAY 1903 d: 23 JUL 1903
3 Anna Hansen b: 18 APR 1904 d: 27 APR 1904
3 Living Hansen
3 Living Hansen
3 Living Hansen
3 Living Hansen
3 Living Nordin
3 Living Hansen
3 Living Hansen
2 Hans Dortheus Svare b: 19 MAR 1885 d: JAN 1958
+ Petra Julia Hansen d: 18 FEB 1940
3 Melfred Svare b: 13 APR 1911 d: MAY 1943
3 Living Svare
3 Allan Svare b: 18 OCT 1917 d: 7 MAY 1980
3 James Svare b: 14 JUN 1926 d: 17 JAN 1937
2 Jenny Svare b: 1888 d: 1888
2 Marie Amalda Svare b: 6 MAY 1890 d: 1 MAY 1972
+ Christian Gerhard Olaus Sollid b: 27 NOV 1873 d: 29 NOV 1957
3 Living Sollid
3 Living Sollid
3 Living Sollid
3 Living Sollid
+ Living Titmus
2 Amanda Jorgine Svare b: 1892
+ Graham Arthur Hardwood Harris
3 Living Harris
2 Ole Johannes Svare b: 10 APR 1883 d: 19 NOV 1953
+ Elise Petrine Kristensen b: 1882 d: 14 JUL 1955
3 Living Sware
3 Living Sware
3 Living Sware
3 Living Sware
3 Living Sware
3 Living Sware
3 Living Sware
3 Living Sware
3 Ida Sware b: 1919 d: 3 JUN 1999

[Margit R Bakke]

Cemetery No.363 Hay Lakes in Alberta, Canada

SWARE, Allan 18 Oct 1917 - 7 May 1980
SWARE, Anton 19 Jun 1873 - 10 Mar 1934 born Norway
SWARE, Elsie Petrine 17 Jul 1882 - 14 Jul 1955 (Kristensen) hus; Ole
SWARE, Hans Dorthfus 18 Mar 1885 - 20 Jan 1958 'Father' born Norway pt; Johannes
SWARE, Hele V. 1911 - ?
SWARE, James 14 Jun 1826 - 17 Jan 1937 pt; Hans
SWARE, Jerome Allan - 3 Nov 1942
SWARE, Joan - 25 Apr 1940
SWARE, Johanna Christin 1 May 1880 - 8 Nov 1962 'Mother' born Norway
SWARE, Johannes 1876 - 20 May 1950 'Father' wife Johanna
SWARE, Johannes Arneson 1 Aug 1885 - 17 Nov 1931 born Norway
SWARE, Johnnie J. 19 Mar 1908 - 10 Sep 1986
SWARE, Karen Margaret 1879 - 9 Jun 1959 born Gyltick Norway. (Pedersen) hus; Anton
SWARE, Kathleen Jane
SWARE, Lorne Herman 13 Nov 1914 - 16 Aug 1983
SWARE, Malfred 13 Apr 1911 - 9 May 1943 pt; Hans
SWARE, Marvin - 25 Nov 1941
SWARE, Ole 10 Apr 1883 - 23 Nov 1953 born Norway. mar; 21 Oct 1904
SWARE, Oscar 6 Mar 1905 - 23 Sep 1967
SWARE, Peter 1904 - 7 Jun 1945
SWARE, Petra Ann 1945 - 16 Nov 1945 pt; Peter twin of Peter Jr.
SWARE, Petra Julia 9 Jul 1981 - 18 Feb 1940 "Mother' born Norway(Hansen) hus; Hans
SWARE, Ruth Evelyn 11 Aug 1905 - 26 May 1966 born Heron Lake Minnesota. (Hovelson) hus; Trygve
SWARE, Trygve 7 Apr 1912 - 14 Jul 1973

[dn10457]

Takk for respons. Jeff Svares oversikt gjelder nok en annen Svare-familie enn den Ole J. Svare tilhører, og som du gir en fyldig oversikt over i ditt svar. Jeg har bra oversikt over de første generasjonenes etterkommere av Johannes Svare i Canada, dels gjennom personlige kontakter og besøk der borte, dels gjennom bygdeboken EACH STEP LEFT ITS MARK - A History of Hay Lakes and Surrounding Area (Edmonton, Alberta 1982). Den har masse interessant informasjon om innvandrerne, men når det gjelder selve utvandringen, er den vag og upresis. Jeg har prøvd e-post adressen du oppga, men den ble avvist med beskjed om "user unknown".

Så spørsmålet gjenstår: Med hvilket skip - etter all sannsynlighet tilhørende Allan Line - reiste Ole J. Svare over Atlanteren fra Liverpool til Halifax i april 1902? Er det mulig å finne det ut gjennom Canadian Passenger Lists 1865-1935 på grunnlag av foreliggende opplsyninger?

Mvh Thomas Mauritzen

[Margit R Bakke]

Hei Thomas,
I will be happy to help more, if you tell me what you need in English.
I understand that someone's email address did not work.

[dn10457]

Sorry! I thought you understood Norwegian since you answered my previous questions and comments.

I will try to summarize:

What I am trying to find out is the following: What is the name of the ship on which Ole Johannessen Svare/Sware arrived in Halifax in April 1902? According to information in the Norwegian emigration register he left the city of Trondheim in March that year, on the S/S Tasso (2) bound for Hull, England. He was supposed to continue with the Allan Line from Liverpool to Canada. Descendants of Ole have told me that he arrived in Halifax 10 April, and that is all they know.

Six of Ole´s brothers and sisters emigrated to Canada in 1903, in two different groups. Both groups departed from Kristiania (Oslo) and went to New York, and from there to Canada. I have established the details about there voyage - names of ships, dates of departure from Kristiania and arrival in New York. Now I am trying to find the same information concerning Ole. I have thought that the Canadian Passenger Lists 1865-1935 might give the answer, but I have not been able to gain access to this source by the help of the information I have.

In my previous answer to you I said that the family of Jeff Svare, mentioned in your answer, apparently is not the Svare family to which Ole belonged. The e-mail address you gave me - [email protected] - was rejected (user unknown).

Ole´s father Johannes Arnesen Svare also emigrated to Canada, in 1909. I know several of his desscendants, and I have found a lot of information about the family in the book EACH STEP LEFT ITS MARK (Edmonton, Alberta 1982). But the information about the emigration is vague and unprecise.

Thank you for being willing to help.

Best regards

Thomas Mauritzen

[Margit R Bakke]

Go here, it will take a bit of digging, but you should find them.

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/data ... dex-e.html

[dn10457]

Thank you. I did try that one. I´ll try harder.

Thomas

[dn08614]

Hei Thomas,
Huske du meg? Jeg har en del ny ting om SVARE/SWARE famille siden sist gang vi var i kontakt. Email meg hvis du vil har dette.

Ole SVARE left Liverpool 3 April 1902 on the NUMIDIAN. Here is the transcript from the "Find My Past" <http://www.findmypast.com/> site, for which I have a subscription :

Name: Ole SVARE
Date of departure: 3 April 1902
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Halifax, Canada
Passenger destination: Halifax, Canada
Date of Birth: 1883 (calculated from age)
Age: 19
Marital status:
Sex: Not specified
Occupation: Lab
Passenger recorded on: Page 7 of 12

Ship: NUMIDIAN
Official Number:
Master's name: Wm T Main
Steamship Line: Allan Line
Where bound: Saint John NB, Canada
Square feet: 14693
Registered tonnage: 3115
Passengers on voyage: 606


Person: Ole SVARE
Date of departure: 3 April 1902
Port of departure: Liverpool
Destination port: Saint John Nb
Destination country: Canada
Ship: NUMIDIAN

Page 7 Ticket No. 3972 is Ole SVARE. # 3 on page 7.

Then from the Library and Archives Canada site at http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/data ... dex-e.html

we have him arriving 14 April 1902. You can view the images from this site but it is not indexed you have to scroll through the pages to find him. Here the ship information from that site:

Passenger Lists, 1865-1922
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/data ... dex-e.html

Ship: NUMIDIAN

Departure Port and Date (yyyy/mm/dd): Liverpool, England - 1902-04-03
Londonderry, Ireland - 1902-04-04
Moville, Ireland - 1902-[04]
Port and Date of Arrival: Halifax, N.S. - 1902-04-14
Saint John, N.B. - [1902-04]
Remarks: Date of arrival could apply to either port, List Number: [208]
Reference: RG 76
Microfilm: T-495

Indexed as page 7.
Ole SVARE is the 10th one on their page 7. 19 years old Occupation Farmer [at least I think that is what is says] Destination Wetaskiwin NWT [Alberta became a province in 1905 so it was still North Western Territories in 1902]

I have not been able to find him, yet, on the indexed Canadian passenger lists on Ancestry but I will keep on trying. I only found him because I knew what to look for.

I have both images as jgs if you would like me to send them to you.

mvh
Adele Goa

[dn10457]

Hallo Adele,

Visst husker jeg deg. Dette var helt fantastisk! Tusen takk. Nå kan jeg følge Ole helt fra Sørfold og Sulitjelma via Trondheim, Hull, Liverpool til Halifax.

Klart jeg er interessert i det du har om Svare/Sware-emigrasjon og immigrasjon. Takknemlig om du sender det.

Jeg har nettadresser der du finner kilder som dokumenterer Oles fødsel, dåp, konfirmasjon, opphold i Sulitjelma som grubearbeider, og gjennomreise i Trondheim på vei til Hull og Liverpool. Om du er interessert, sender jeg gjerne en oversikt.

Igjen mange takk for opplysninger som jeg lenge har vært på leting etter.

Mvh Thomas