Wild speculation about the ancestry of George Cleeves

[John Brandon]

How firm is the statement that Mr. Cleeves, sometime Deputy President
of Lygonia, was the son of John Cleeves, linen-draper of Stogursey,
Somerset? Is it correct that George's mother was known as "Anna Cary
alias Cleeves" in 1591?

Also, what is the source for the statement that "George Cleeves stated
his mother enjoyed an estate of L40 per annum in 1618"?

I notice that the 1615 will of Robert Harbin, gent., of Yeovil,
Somersetshire, mentions the "children of my daughter Agnes Kemmell by
her first husband, John Cleves."

http://books.google.com/books?id=ojsRAA ... in%22+emma

Possibly this was the John Cleeves of Blandford Forum who died in 1607
leaving behind a relic Agnes ...

http://books.google.com/books?id=1lMJAA ... leeves&lr=

The Robert Harbin involved would be this gent. in the Visitation
pedigree below, who had a married grandson in 1615 (hence was quite
elderly). (One internet source states he was aged 95 at death.)

http://books.google.com/books?id=paXRXT ... tation&lr=

If George Cleeves was born in the mid-1580s, he could certainly have
been a grandson of this Robert Harbin, at least from a consideration
of the chronology.

[John Brandon]

I suppose alternatively it is possible that the John Cleeves who
married Agnes Harbin was the older brother of George of New England ...

[tom]

On Jan 10, 4:07 pm, John Brandon <[email protected]> wrote:

How firm is the statement that Mr. Cleeves, sometime Deputy President
of Lygonia, was the son of John Cleeves, linen-draper of Stogursey,
Somerset?  Is it correct that George's mother was known as "Anna Cary
alias Cleeves" in 1591?

Also, what is the source for the statement that "George Cleeves stated
his mother enjoyed an estate of L40 per annum in 1618"?

I notice that the 1615 will of Robert Harbin, gent., of Yeovil,
Somersetshire, mentions the "children of my daughter Agnes Kemmell by
her first husband, John Cleves."

http://books.google.com/books?id=ojsRAA ... obert+ha...

Possibly this was the John Cleeves of Blandford Forum who died in 1607
leaving behind a relic Agnes ...

http://books.google.com/books?id=1lMJAA ... =%22blan...

The Robert Harbin involved would be this gent. in the Visitation
pedigree below, who had a married grandson in 1615 (hence was quite
elderly).  (One internet source states he was aged 95 at death.)

http://books.google.com/books?id=paXRXT ... obert+ha...

If George Cleeves was born in the mid-1580s, he could certainly have
been a grandson of this Robert Harbin, at least from a consideration
of the chronology.

Hi John,
'The Genealogical Dictionary of Maine and New Hampshire' by: Noyes,
Libby and Davis, 1928-39, states that George Cleaves' father was John
Cleave of Stogursey, co. Somerset. Further that George was born about
1586, and that his mother had become Anna Cary in 1591. What appears
to be rather strange wording, may reflect that she was John's wife
when his will was written.
GDMNH also states that in 1918, George said that his mother held an
estate worth 40 Pounds per annum.
Regards
Tom Dunn, Kilbrittain, Co. Cork, Ireland

[tom]

On Jan 12, 6:09 pm, tom <[email protected]> wrote:

On Jan 10, 4:07 pm, John Brandon <[email protected]> wrote:





How firm is the statement that Mr. Cleeves, sometime Deputy President
of Lygonia, was the son of John Cleeves, linen-draper of Stogursey,
Somerset?  Is it correct that George's mother was known as "Anna Cary
alias Cleeves" in 1591?

Also, what is the source for the statement that "George Cleeves stated
his mother enjoyed an estate of L40 per annum in 1618"?

I notice that the 1615 will of Robert Harbin, gent., of Yeovil,
Somersetshire, mentions the "children of my daughter Agnes Kemmell by
her first husband, John Cleves."

http://books.google.com/books?id=ojsRAA ... obert+ha...

Possibly this was the John Cleeves of Blandford Forum who died in 1607
leaving behind a relic Agnes ...

http://books.google.com/books?id=1lMJAA ... =%22blan...

The Robert Harbin involved would be this gent. in the Visitation
pedigree below, who had a married grandson in 1615 (hence was quite
elderly).  (One internet source states he was aged 95 at death.)

http://books.google.com/books?id=paXRXT ... obert+ha...

If George Cleeves was born in the mid-1580s, he could certainly have
been a grandson of this Robert Harbin, at least from a consideration
of the chronology.

Hi John,
   'The Genealogical Dictionary of Maine and New Hampshire' by: Noyes,
Libby and Davis, 1928-39, states that George Cleaves' father was John
Cleave of Stogursey, co. Somerset. Further that George was born about
1586, and that his mother had become Anna Cary in 1591. What appears
to be rather strange wording, may reflect that she was John's wife
when his will was written.
   GDMNH also states that in 1918, George said that his mother held an
estate worth 40 Pounds per annum.
   Regards
   Tom Dunn, Kilbrittain, Co. Cork, Ireland- Hide quoted text -

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obviously 1618!
Tom