Deatht of Renaud of Dammartin, count of Boulogne

[M.Sjostrom]

this was the same Renaud whose daughter, countess
Mahaut II of Boulogne, married his captor's younger
son, Philip Hurepel, and afterwards Ferdinand's nephew
Alphonse of Portugal ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilda_II_of_Boulogne

Genealogically, Renaud appears of very little
interest: his any descent did not survive the harsh
century, afaik. No one today lays claim to have him as
direct ancestor.
(I have a distinct recollection that I have asked here
in this list after his grandson's fate, he disappeared
to somewhere in England)

- Oops, I shouldn't have publicly mentioned that no
one claims that descent. Lessee, as soon as some Howe
hears about this, there will be such claim


Amazingly, the article about Renaud in Wikipedia has
the correct year of death:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaud_de_Dammartin

(but how long - as soon as some idiot Wikipedian hears
about ES date, it probably gets added, and then there
will be a pssing contest to find consensus how to
balance between the two different sourced dates)



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[Tim]

On Jan 10, 7:58 am, "M.Sjostrom" <[email protected]> wrote:

this was the same Renaud whose daughter, countess
Mahaut II of Boulogne, married his captor's younger
son, Philip Hurepel, and afterwards Ferdinand's nephew
Alphonse of Portugal ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilda_II_of_Boulogne

Genealogically, Renaud appears of very little
interest: his any descent did not survive the harsh
century, afaik. No one today lays claim to have him as
direct ancestor.
(I have a distinct recollection that I have asked here
in this list after his grandson's fate, he disappeared
to somewhere in England)

- Oops, I shouldn't have publicly mentioned that no
one claims that descent. Lessee, as soon as some Howe
hears about this, there will be such claim

Amazingly, the article about Renaud in Wikipedia has
the correct year of death:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaud_de_Dammartin

(but how long - as soon as some idiot Wikipedian hears
about ES date, it probably gets added, and then there
will be a pssing contest to find consensus how to
balance between the two different sourced dates)

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I think Renaud's grandson was named Alberic. Through his mother Ida
( Renaud's wife ) he was heir to Boulogne but instead he departed off
to England and seems to have disappeared from history. His only sister
( daughter of Renaud and Ida ) married but had no issue so their
lineage became extinct. Boulogne was inherited by a line that
descended from Ida's younger sister Maud.

If any alleged descendants of Alberic were to come out of the woodwork
after being lost for 800 years they would have quite a claim, as
Alberic was the senior heir of King Stephen , who had to sign over the
throne of England to Henry II Plantagenet, though Henry didn't inherit
till Stephen died. ( Alberic was King Stephen's great-great-grandson.

[Tim]

On Jan 10, 7:46 pm, Tim <[email protected]> wrote:

On Jan 10, 7:58 am, "M.Sjostrom" <[email protected]> wrote:





this was the same Renaud whose daughter, countess
Mahaut II of Boulogne, married his captor's younger
son, Philip Hurepel, and afterwards Ferdinand's nephew
Alphonse of Portugal ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilda_II_of_Boulogne

Genealogically, Renaud appears of very little
interest: his any descent did not survive the harsh
century, afaik. No one today lays claim to have him as
direct ancestor.
(I have a distinct recollection that I have asked here
in this list after his grandson's fate, he disappeared
to somewhere in England)

- Oops, I shouldn't have publicly mentioned that no
one claims that descent. Lessee, as soon as some Howe
hears about this, there will be such claim

Amazingly, the article about Renaud in Wikipedia has
the correct year of death:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaud_de_Dammartin

(but how long - as soon as some idiot Wikipedian hears
about ES date, it probably gets added, and then there
will be a pssing contest to find consensus how to
balance between the two different sourced dates)

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I think Renaud's grandson was named Alberic. Through his mother Ida
( Renaud's wife ) he was heir to Boulogne but instead he departed off
to England and seems to have disappeared from history. His only sister
( daughter of Renaud and Ida ) married but had no issue so their
lineage became extinct. Boulogne was inherited by a line that
descended from Ida's younger sister Maud.

If any alleged descendants of Alberic were to come out of the woodwork
after being lost for 800 years they would have quite a claim, as
Alberic was the senior heir of King Stephen , who had to sign over the
throne of England to Henry II Plantagenet, though Henry didn't inherit
till Stephen died. ( Alberic was King Stephen's  great-great-grandson.- Hide quoted text -

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Sorry, I made a mistake in the above post. Alberic and his only sister
were the offspring of Mahaut II of Boulogne and Philippe Hurepel (son
of King Philip II of France) as stated in M. Sjostrom's post. Alberic
and his sister were the grandchildren of Renaud and Ida.