Losonczi family of Transilvania

[M.Sjostrom]

"Losonczi looks more Polish than Czek. They are
similar-sounding languages, but read differently. "


Above, would be available a satisfactory explication
how and why the Slavic version of the name were
Lucenek and close that rendition.
It is Lucenek in Slovak. Czech is close with Slovak.
Czech version would be close to Lucenek, and different
from Losoncz.

Also Polish version, if existed, would presumably be
closer to that Lucenek, than Losoncz. After all, it
seems to be well-established that Losoncz is Magyar
rendition of the name.

Hopefully no one goes to suggest that Polish is
linguistically related with Magyar language, and
closer than with, for example, Czech is with Polish.
(Such proposition would certainly be news to
researchers of languages and linguistics....)

As the linguistical relations of Polish are known, it
would be more expected to compare how Polish-like
Lucenek would sound - rather than try sounding
Losoncz.

Losoncz, being the Magyar rendition of the name, would
ONLY rather sound like Polish, or close to Polish,
presumably by HAPPENSTANCE, rather than Polish being
influence, or origin, on how that Magyar rendition of
the name came into being.

It is fairly difficult to see, how Polish -as opposed
to Czech-Slovak and Magyar- would have something
important to do with origin of that name, Losoncz, or
with origin of those families.

Of course, I would be happy, were some to present
reliable evidence about such Polish influence or even
origin... and, evidence, if Polish ethnicity somehow
happened to be background of any of those specific
families. Absent such, Slovak and Magyar would be much
more credible.




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[Renia]

M.Sjostrom wrote:

"Losonczi looks more Polish than Czek. They are
similar-sounding languages, but read differently. "


Above, would be available a satisfactory explication
how and why the Slavic version of the name were
Lucenek and close that rendition.
It is Lucenek in Slovak. Czech is close with Slovak.
Czech version would be close to Lucenek, and different
from Losoncz.

Also Polish version, if existed, would presumably be
closer to that Lucenek, than Losoncz. After all, it
seems to be well-established that Losoncz is Magyar
rendition of the name.

Hopefully no one goes to suggest that Polish is
linguistically related with Magyar language, and
closer than with, for example, Czech is with Polish.
(Such proposition would certainly be news to
researchers of languages and linguistics....)

As the linguistical relations of Polish are known, it
would be more expected to compare how Polish-like
Lucenek would sound - rather than try sounding
Losoncz.

Losoncz, being the Magyar rendition of the name, would
ONLY rather sound like Polish, or close to Polish,
presumably by HAPPENSTANCE, rather than Polish being
influence, or origin, on how that Magyar rendition of
the name came into being.

It is fairly difficult to see, how Polish -as opposed
to Czech-Slovak and Magyar- would have something
important to do with origin of that name, Losoncz, or
with origin of those families.

Of course, I would be happy, were some to present
reliable evidence about such Polish influence or even
origin... and, evidence, if Polish ethnicity somehow
happened to be background of any of those specific
families. Absent such, Slovak and Magyar would be much
more credible.

I do not say that Hungarian/Magyar is a cousin language of Polish.

Polish is a Slavonic language with the same root as Czek, Bulgarian,
etc. My father was Polish and he could speak to a Czek in his own
language, and each would understand the other. But the spellings of the
two languages look different to me.

The "word" Losonczi looks a little like Polish. I am not saying the
family is Polish, but the word looks Polish. I don't know anything about
Hungarian/Magyar, so I don't know if it looks Hungarian (or Czek).

[Leticia Cluff]

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:01:04 -0800 (PST), "M.Sjostrom" <[email protected]>
wrote:

"Losonczi looks more Polish than Czek. They are
similar-sounding languages, but read differently. "

Isn't it great that the different language versions of Wikipedia are
linked to each other? The Polish name of the town can be seen here:
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lu%C4%8Denec

Above, would be available a satisfactory explication
how and why the Slavic version of the name were
Lucenek and close that rendition.
It is Lucenek in Slovak. Czech is close with Slovak.
Czech version would be close to Lucenek, and different
from Losoncz.

Also Polish version, if existed, would presumably be
closer to that Lucenek, than Losoncz. After all, it
seems to be well-established that Losoncz is Magyar
rendition of the name.

Hopefully no one goes to suggest that Polish is
linguistically related with Magyar language, and
closer than with, for example, Czech is with Polish.
(Such proposition would certainly be news to
researchers of languages and linguistics....)

As the linguistical relations of Polish are known, it
would be more expected to compare how Polish-like
Lucenek would sound - rather than try sounding
Losoncz.

Losoncz, being the Magyar rendition of the name, would
ONLY rather sound like Polish, or close to Polish,
presumably by HAPPENSTANCE, rather than Polish being
influence, or origin, on how that Magyar rendition of
the name came into being.

It is fairly difficult to see, how Polish -as opposed
to Czech-Slovak and Magyar- would have something
important to do with origin of that name, Losoncz, or
with origin of those families.

Of course, I would be happy, were some to present
reliable evidence about such Polish influence or even
origin... and, evidence, if Polish ethnicity somehow
happened to be background of any of those specific
families. Absent such, Slovak and Magyar would be much
more credible.

The family name is certainly Hungarian, based as it is on the
Hungarian name of the town. And although the town is now in Slovakia,
it is less than 15 km from the Hungarian border and was formerly in
Hungary, so there's no doubt that Hungarians have been one of the
ethnic elements there.

There's even a Hungarian etymology for the place, the word "ló-sánc"
meaning moat:
http://travel.spectator.sk/ss2006/03_lucenec.html

But a Slavic etymology has also been suggested, from "lúka, lúc^ina"
meaning meadow:
http://www.lucenec.sk/?id_menu=21965&fi ... ska_flag=0

I presume that Hungarian scholars suggest a Hungarian origin and
Slovak scholars a Slovak origin. I remain ignorant and neutral.
Likewise, I can't evaluate the following website showing the
descendants of the first palatine to title himself Losoncz:
http://genealogy.euweb.cz/hung/losoncz.html


Tish

[Rare]

Does anyone have any opinion on the name Cudlack originating from one
of those countries? I've never been able to find anything relating to
that name with that spelling. Kudlak and Kudlac seem to be found in
Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia, but the name Cudlack just doesn't seem
to exist. Uncommon misspelling of the other two in America or
completely unrelated?

[Renia]

Rare wrote:

Does anyone have any opinion on the name Cudlack originating from one
of those countries? I've never been able to find anything relating to
that name with that spelling. Kudlak and Kudlac seem to be found in
Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia, but the name Cudlack just doesn't seem
to exist. Uncommon misspelling of the other two in America or
completely unrelated?

I'd guess at Kudlak or similar. Certainly beginning with K.

There were 103 Kudlaks in the 1930 US census and about 73 show up on the
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957, mostly from the Slavonic countries.

By comparison, there was only 1 Cudlak and 7 Cudlacks in the 1930 US
census, the head of which was born in Czekoslovakia.

On the other hand, the Mecklenburg-Schwerin Census, 1900 (in German)
gives a family of Cudlacks in Wrodow, the head of which was born in
"Nowischwad", which I would guess to be Nowy Sacz, in Southern Poland.

[Ancestry.com]