Sir Rawleigh Bussey died 10 Oct 1623

[wjhonson]

Some time ago we were made aware of a partial ancestry for Sir
Rawleigh Bussey, who when he died "aged 37" was called by his mother
Jane (Dutton) Bussey "her dear son... lately deceased", while she
herself died shortlly afterward being buried 14 Mar 1623/4 at Margam,
co Glamorgan, Wales.

Sir Rawleigh Bussey had married sometime between 1600 and 1614 to
Cecily Mansel "a niece of his step-father's" (without further
elucidation, and so currently unplaced).

Rawleigh and Cecily had "four sons and four daughters" alltogether
cf "Sir Stephen Powle of Court and Country: Memorabilia of a
Government", by Virginia F Stern, Susquehanna University Press, 1992.

http://books.google.com/books?id=QqWQXG ... FeR_0--mhU

Five of their children I know: Thomas, Powell, Anthony, Katherine and
Jane, without dates.

It was not known to me, untill today, who Rawleigh Bussey's father was
and how he fit into the extended Bussey family. I can now rectify
that.

I had previously been studying the family of the Bussey's of Haydor
(aka Heyter, Haydour, etc) and had noticed their baptisms extracted in
the IGI

For baptisms see
http://www.familysearch.org - IGI - British Isles - Batch P0011261
"Register of Haydor, co Lincoln 1559-1649"

I was slightly frustrated *not* to find the baptism for Sir Edmund
Bussey who is known to be his son by the creation of a trust, where he
is going to marry his future wife Frances CAVE (married between 13 Sep
1588 and Jan 1591) their eldest son Miles Cave, named as heir, was
baptised 29 Aug 1591

There is perhaps an odd explanation for why I couldn't find Edmund's
baptism. In the register there are two sons named John, one baptised
on 1 Jan 1560 and the next on 15 Mar 1562. Not so odd considering the
death of children, or sometimes a family naming two sons with the same
name. However it turns out to be something quite different.

There is, preserved, a vellum book of devotions in which the margins
were used to record events in the lifes of the Busseys evidently by
someone contemporary with them.

There we find, a virtually exact match to the register, except for a
few very helpful differences.

I don't think it would be amiss to relate that as typical I did *not*
come here direct from looking for Bussey's. Rather quite
incongruously I was trying to figure out who a certain Richard
Stanhope was. He was born 1502 and died 1583 and by his wife Anne
Strelley had a single heiress Sanchia who married John Babington, esq
of Rampton jure uxoris, "eldest son by the second wife" of Anthony
Babington, Knt of Dethick and Catherine Ferrers.

So anyway, John and Sanchia had a son John Babington of Rampton who
married Elizabeth BUSSEY, and then they had a son John Babington esq
of Rampton who married Mary Neville, daughter of Hercy Neville esq of
Grove, co Notts and then *they* had two daughters, one of whom
Elizabeth Babington married Gervase Eyre, Knt of Rampton (jure
uxoris); Captain of Horse who died 5 May 1644 in the defense of
Newark.

Ok back to the main thread... who is Elizabeth Bussey? She is called
daughter of John Bussey of Heydour, but I already HAVE the entire
extracted register of that place and ... she isn't there.

Frustrating! But wait. The register starts in 1559. Could it
be..... ?

And yes gentle reader, the book of devotions states "Elizabeth
daughter of John Bussey, born Oct 1558" which gives us sufficient
time for the time child John who does appear in the register baptised
on 1 Jan 1559/60.

Now what about Edmund? Well the book of devotions note states that
Edmund was born on 15 Mar 1562. Which matches the date for the
"second John". So either whoever made the notes knew that John's name
had been changed to Edmund, or whoever entered the data into the IGI
simply read the entry wrong.

Now what about poor Rawleigh left hanging through all this rambling?
The book of devotions note states "15th of April, in the 28th year of
Elizabeth, 1586, was born Rawleigh Bussey, son of John Bussey, who was
son of John Bussey of Hather, armigerous"

So now Rawleigh has an ancestry.

Will Johnson

[Gjest]

On Dec 13, 7:22 am, wjhonson <[email protected]> wrote:

Some time ago we were made aware of a partial ancestry for Sir
Rawleigh Bussey, who when he died "aged 37" was called by his mother
Jane (Dutton) Bussey "her dear son... lately deceased", while she
herself died shortlly afterward being buried 14 Mar 1623/4 at Margam,
co Glamorgan, Wales.

Sir Rawleigh Bussey had married sometime between 1600 and 1614 to
Cecily Mansel "a niece of his step-father's" (without further
elucidation, and so currently unplaced).

Rawleigh and Cecily had "four sons and four daughters" alltogether
cf "Sir Stephen Powle of Court and Country: Memorabilia of a
Government", by Virginia F Stern, Susquehanna University Press, 1992.

http://books.google.com/books?id=QqWQXG ... leigh+bu...

Five of their children I know: Thomas, Powell, Anthony, Katherine and
Jane, without dates.

It was not known to me, untill today, who Rawleigh Bussey's father was
and how he fit into the extended Bussey family. I can now rectify
that.

I had previously been studying the family of the Bussey's of Haydor
(aka Heyter, Haydour, etc) and had noticed their baptisms extracted in
the IGI

For baptisms seewww.familysearch.org- IGI - British Isles - Batch P0011261
"Register of Haydor, co Lincoln 1559-1649"

I was slightly frustrated *not* to find the baptism for Sir Edmund
Bussey who is known to be his son by the creation of a trust, where he
is going to marry his future wife Frances CAVE (married between 13 Sep
1588 and Jan 1591) their eldest son Miles Cave, named as heir, was
baptised 29 Aug 1591

There is perhaps an odd explanation for why I couldn't find Edmund's
baptism. In the register there are two sons named John, one baptised
on 1 Jan 1560 and the next on 15 Mar 1562. Not so odd considering the
death of children, or sometimes a family naming two sons with the same
name. However it turns out to be something quite different.

There is, preserved, a vellum book of devotions in which the margins
were used to record events in the lifes of the Busseys evidently by
someone contemporary with them.

There we find, a virtually exact match to the register, except for a
few very helpful differences.

I don't think it would be amiss to relate that as typical I did *not*
come here direct from looking for Bussey's. Rather quite
incongruously I was trying to figure out who a certainRichardStanhopewas. He was born 1502 and died 1583 and by his wife Anne
Strelley had a single heiress Sanchia who married John Babington, esq
of Rampton jure uxoris, "eldest son by the second wife" of Anthony
Babington, Knt of Dethick and Catherine Ferrers.

So anyway, John and Sanchia had a son John Babington of Rampton who
married Elizabeth BUSSEY, and then they had a son John Babington esq
of Rampton who married Mary Neville, daughter of Hercy Neville esq of
Grove, co Notts and then *they* had two daughters, one of whom
Elizabeth Babington married Gervase Eyre, Knt of Rampton (jure
uxoris); Captain of Horse who died 5 May 1644 in the defense of
Newark.

Ok back to the main thread... who is Elizabeth Bussey? She is called
daughter of John Bussey of Heydour, but I already HAVE the entire
extracted register of that place and ... she isn't there.

Frustrating! But wait. The register starts in 1559. Could it
be..... ?

And yes gentle reader, the book of devotions states "Elizabeth
daughter of John Bussey, born Oct 1558" which gives us sufficient
time for the time child John who does appear in the register baptised
on 1 Jan 1559/60.

Now what about Edmund? Well the book of devotions note states that
Edmund was born on 15 Mar 1562. Which matches the date for the
"second John". So either whoever made the notes knew that John's name
had been changed to Edmund, or whoever entered the data into the IGI
simply read the entry wrong.

Now what about poor Rawleigh left hanging through all this rambling?
The book of devotions note states "15th of April, in the 28th year of
Elizabeth, 1586, was born Rawleigh Bussey, son of John Bussey, who was
son of John Bussey of Hather, armigerous"

So now Rawleigh has an ancestry.

Will Johnson

I think your death date of 1583 for Richard Stanhope is too late, by
about 54 years.

Chris Reed in a post dated 10 July 1999 quoted the following about
Richard Stanhope:

"Bridges' Collins' Peerage 3:409-10, reads: "Richard [Stanhope] ...
dying
January 21st, in 18 Henry VIII. without issue male, leaving an only
daughter
Saunchia, aged fourteen years, who brought a great inheritance to her
husband,
John Babington, Esq."

Page 414 reads in part, "Richard Stanhope, Esq. eldest son and heir of
Sir
Edward, married Anne, youngest of the four daughters and coheirs of
John
Strelley, of Strelley, Esq. grandson of Sir Robert Strelley, and Joan
Stanhope
before-mentioned, and by her (who was secondly married to Sir John
Markham, of Cotham in Nottinghamshire, Knight,) left at his death on
january 21st, 1528-9
[1528/9], an only child, Saunchia, married to John Babbington, Esq. (a
younger
son of Sir Anthony Babington, of Dethick in Derbyshire, Knight,) to
whom she
brought the inheritance of Rampton, and large possessions in
Nottinghamshire."

The earlier ancestry is on pp. 407-14. Richard, who served as a
Member of
Parliament (and this has a biography in the History of the House of
Commons)
was not descended from the Earls of Chesterfield. They were descended
from his brother Michael. "

David

[wjhonson]

On Dec 18, 5:11 am, [email protected] wrote:

I think your death date of 1583 for Richard Stanhope is too late, by
about 54 years.

Chris Reed in a post dated 10 July 1999 quoted the following about
Richard Stanhope:

"Bridges' Collins' Peerage 3:409-10, reads: "Richard [Stanhope] ...
dying > January 21st, in 18 Henry VIII. without issue male, leaving an only
daughter > Saunchia, aged fourteen years, who brought a great inheritance to her
husband, > John Babington, Esq."

Page 414 reads in part, "Richard Stanhope, Esq. eldest son and heir of
Sir > Edward, married Anne, youngest of the four daughters and coheirs of
John > Strelley, of Strelley, Esq. grandson of Sir Robert Strelley, and Joan
Stanhope > before-mentioned, and by her (who was secondly married to Sir John
Markham, of Cotham in Nottinghamshire, Knight,) left at his death on
january 21st, 1528-9 > [1528/9], an only child, Saunchia, married to John Babbington, Esq. (a > younger > son of Sir Anthony Babington, of Dethick in Derbyshire, Knight,) to > whom she > brought the inheritance of Rampton, and large possessions in > Nottinghamshire."

The earlier ancestry is on pp. 407-14. Richard, who served as a
Member of
Parliament (and this has a biography in the History of the House of
Commons)
was not descended from the Earls of Chesterfield. They were descended
from his brother Michael. "

David

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Thanks David I've reviewed Collins now which is online here
http://books.google.com/books?id=r_M6AA ... y&as_brr=1

My source that he died in 1583 was here
http://www.thepeerage.com/p22432.htm#i224311
that he was born 1502 and died 1583, married Anne Strelley and had a
daughter Sanchia
citing "L. G. Pine, The New Extinct Peerage 1884-1971: Containing
Extinct, Abeyant, Dormant and Suspended Peerages With Genealogies and
Arms (London, U.K.: Heraldry Today, 1972), page 65. Hereinafter cited
as The New Extinct Peerage."

But I believe that I believe Collins on this, esp. as I'd previously
had a problematic second marriage to Sir John Markham, having children
overlapping with her first marriage. Now it makes more sense.

By her second husband Sir John Markham, Knt (knighted by 1544) of
Coatham (who d abt 1547), Anne Strelley had at least or exactly four
more children, towit Thomas, Isabella, Frances and William. Saunchia
appears to have outlived Sir John Markham.

Will Johnson