Fw: Genealogics : the ascent of Alice Strelley

[Leo van de Pas]

Dear Will,

Discrepancy usually means error. What are the two versions you found?

I found Alice Strelley in Burke's Peerage 1938, page 463, with her husband
Sir John Byron, of Newstead, she is the first generation of Byrons in my
system.

Their son Sir John Byron, of Newstead, died 28 September 1625, married Anne
Molyneux

their son is Richard Byron, 2nd Lord Byron, born about 1605, died 4 October
1679.

With many thanks
Leo van de Pas,
Canberra, Australia



----- Original Message -----
From: "wjhonson" <[email protected]>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 7:54 AM
Subject: Genealogics : the ascent of Alice Strelley

Researching the ancestry of that Lord Byron the famous author, I found
that Leo has a gap in his ascent re: his ancestor Alice Strelley.

On Leo's great website here
http://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php ... 7&tree=LEO

we see the pedigree of Lord Byron's ancestor Richard Byron, 2nd Lord
Byron who d 4 Oct 1679

Although my details, copied from stirnet vary.
(cf http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/briti ... 1.htm#dau3)

we are in agreement that in the ancestry (at some point) is an Alice
Strelley who married John Byron.

Without addressing that discrepancy, we can give a further ascent to
Alice.

There is a Strelley pedigree published in Misc. Gen. Et Her. which (in
conjunction with other sources) give Alice the following additions

1 Alice Strelley
2 Sir Nicholas Strelley
3 third wife Elizabeth Spencer
4 Sir Nicholas Strelley
5 Catherine West
6 John Spencer
7 Unknown
8 Robert Strelley of Strelley
9 Isabel Kempe
16 Robert Strelley of Strelley ob 17H6
17 Jane Stanhope
18 Sir Thomas Kempe of Olantigh, Wye, Kent d 1428
19 Beatrice Lewknor
32 Sir Nicholas Strelley
33 Elizabeth Pierrepont
34 Richard Stanhope
36 Peter Kempe of Brabourne and Wye
38 Sir Thomas (or Robert) Lewknor
64 Sir Samson Strelley ob 13R2
65 Elizabeth Hercy
66 Sir Edmond Pierrepont
128 Robert Strelley ob 27E3
130 Sir John Hercy
256 Sir Robert Strelley "aged 30" 12 E1; ob 30E1
257 Elizabeth Vavasour

Additions, Corrections and Comments appreciated
With or without URL's, Sources and misc. bitchiness.

Will Johnson

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[wjhonson]

I see in review that I forgot (whoops) to include my *main* source
although I alluded to it.

The source that gives this long ascent for Alice Strelley, of which I
only copy that first connection, is

http://books.google.com/books?id=cs4KAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA145
Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica, ed Joseph Jackson Howard, LLD,
FSA, Volume 1, London:Hamilton, Adams and Co. 1868
page 145, "Strelley Pedigree"
stating that (in part) "Sr Nicholas Strelley, Knight, duxit Eliz., dau
to Jo Spencer, 3 wyfe" had among their children "Alice maryed to Sr
John Byren, Knight"



As to that discrepany between my notes and Burke's, I have that that
John Byron of Newstead who d 28 Sep 1625 and who m Anne Molyneux (dau
of Richard Molyneux Bart of Sefton (cr 1611) by his wife Frances
Gerard), was not the *son* of Alice Strelley and John Byron, but
rather their *grandson*.

The intervening generation I show as John Byron + Margaret
FitzWilliam, dau of Sir William FitzWilliam, Knt and Lord Deputy of
Ireland (d 1599 at his house in Milton) by his wife Anne Sydney (dau
of Sir William Sydney, Knt of Penshurst d 1553 by his wife Anne
Pakenham).

For this generation my only source is
http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/briti ... 1.htm#dau3

Although I do note the apparent *long* chronology if this generation
were missing.

Even as is, I'm not completely happy with the great leaps in
chronology and the Byron's of Newstead should be reconstructed from
more primary material, cited and quoted here. If this were a perfect
world.

Will Johnson