it has run out. Maria Theresia goes back to a daughter of Walram II, Count
of Arlon, (mother not known) this unnamed daughter married Heinrich I Count
of Limburg who died in 1119. Their male line descendants became the Dukes of
Limburg.
Queen Victoria and Catherine the Great do share a total female line to the
Adelaide de Bezieres I mentioned before. If you go to my website, you can
call up Adelaide, ask first for her descendants (gives only a few
generations), and then you are given the choice to ask for only female line
descendants and that will take you to as far as goes.
I still think there were a few more than just a handful females that
supplied female lines to the present
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hickory" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: DNA
I have been heavily involved with several DNA projects and they have
proven extremely useful, both to myself and to many others, saving
what might very well have been thousands of hours of research to
straighten things out. As for Angevin male-line ancestry, the Dukes of
Beaufort and the male-line representatives of that family have an
uncontested Angevin ancestry, as far as it is possible to determine
from the historical record. There may be representatives of a Welsh
family I once came across in genealogical material in London who are
descendants in the male line from the Norman kings, though I should
think finding primary sources to document this line would be a hard
thing to do, indeed. I wish representatives of the major European
royal families would undergo DNA testing. It would be a boon, not just
for pure genealogy, but also for other historical research. For
instance, testing any present-day male Romanoff and comparing the
results with those of any present-day male-line representative of the
family which produced the line of German princelings to which the
Kings of Denmark belonged to up until the time of the father of the
present queen, then the age old question of whether the Tsars of
Russia after Catherine II descend from Peter the Great's grandson
Peter III or whether they descend from one of her lovers. To prove
whether they descend from the most likely lover, Saltykov, would
require a modern male line representative of that family (which do,
indeed, exist) participate. Within a couple of weeks, a question which
has occupied the best brains (and worst) among Russian historians for
about 250 years now could be conclusively cleared up and history books
could be rewritten, depending on the test results. That's just one of
many applications I can think of.
Concerning female line ancestries, I think that of Maria Theresa goes
back to the 12th century to somewhere in Italy and she, surely has
left many female-line descendants who could be tested today. It's been
a long time since I traced it out of curiosity, so I'm no longer
totally sure, though. Though not going that far back in history, if I
did my tracing right (also a rather long time in the past), I think
you will find that Catherine the Great of Russia and Queen Victoria
share a common female-line ancestry. Basically, though, the contention
made above that the great majority of European royal female lines
descend from a mere handful of women is probably quite correct.
Hikaru
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