Why do you like your Software

[R. Scott]

I wish to ask you the people for a few moments of your prolly hurried day to
help me sift through the piles of Sales speak in software.

I'm not asking for the BEST, because I will receive 400 posts of use this
....

But, I've done this in other forums, and received very informative answers
as to why someone likes a certain software.

I've been using BK for ever, but its always seemed well plain and doesn't
intuitively add someone and I get people connected that shouldn't and it
seems to take an act of GOD to get it undone. It has other niggles that
just bug me. Print outs are not that special either. And web publishing is
nil.

SO, I'm looking around for something else, Price wise would like something
reasonable (I consider around 50 or less reasonable).

I really don't want Salesmen speak, I would like if you could, describe to
me as if I was sitting in your house and you found this neat software and I
should try it because


?????????

[[email protected]]

R. Scott wrote:

I wish to ask you the people for a few moments of your prolly hurried day to
help me sift through the piles of Sales speak in software.

I'm not asking for the BEST, because I will receive 400 posts of use this
...

But, I've done this in other forums, and received very informative answers
as to why someone likes a certain software.

I've been using BK for ever, but its always seemed well plain and doesn't
intuitively add someone and I get people connected that shouldn't and it
seems to take an act of GOD to get it undone. It has other niggles that
just bug me. Print outs are not that special either. And web publishing is
nil.

SO, I'm looking around for something else, Price wise would like something
reasonable (I consider around 50 or less reasonable).

I really don't want Salesmen speak, I would like if you could, describe to
me as if I was sitting in your house and you found this neat software and I
should try it because


?????????

A lot depends on what output your desire... a web page narrative, a web
page chart of some type, a printed report, a printed chart, a
manuscript suitable to be published as a book?

It also depends on some other things, are your a genealogist or a
family historian, do you want "pretty" output or are you more
interested in producing a reference work for future generations?

Once those questions are answered then you can search for the software
best suited to meet your goals.

My particular goals required that I use TMG as no other package on the
market could as easily produce what I wanted.

[Dwight Beers]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:46:08 +0000, R. Scott wrote:

I wish to ask you the people for a few moments of your prolly hurried day to
help me sift through the piles of Sales speak in software.

I'm not asking for the BEST, because I will receive 400 posts of use this
...

But, I've done this in other forums, and received very informative answers
as to why someone likes a certain software.

I've been using BK for ever, but its always seemed well plain and doesn't
intuitively add someone and I get people connected that shouldn't and it
seems to take an act of GOD to get it undone. It has other niggles that
just bug me. Print outs are not that special either. And web publishing is
nil.

SO, I'm looking around for something else, Price wise would like something
reasonable (I consider around 50 or less reasonable).

I really don't want Salesmen speak, I would like if you could, describe to
me as if I was sitting in your house and you found this neat software and I
should try it because


?????????

I use GRAMPS, because (1) it does everything I need it to do and
(2) it costs well under $50.

But, this probably won't help you much because you're probably using
a Microsoft operating system. Now, you talk about Salesmen speak!!!

[R. Scott]

It also depends on some other things, are your a genealogist or a
family historian, do you want "pretty" output or are you more
interested in producing a reference work for future generations?

I'm just someone who is interested in my family history. I have relatives
without computers interested in what I find and so print outs easily
followed and read. Also I had a web page but moved servers so will need to
redo it so a web presence it nice.

Not writing a book or turning pro, its hard enough to find mine (I think my
Lineage is the Severe Black Sheep side or my grandfather or ggrandad
switched names)


Rick Scott

[Kaye Payne]

Hi,

Each software package has something that the others do not have and with
most of us who love to produce printouts for various reasons we use a few.

This is made easy with gedcoms even if it is a bit tedious to keep them all
up to date.

BK is one that I use regularly because it has a great A4 family tree which
shows four generations and sometimes five (depending on the size of your
family) easily showing cousins which my relatives seem to like.

Roots Magic has changed my life in so much as I could transfer all my
pictures from Family Tree Maker into a file and use them in all other
programs I use. Before Roots Magic I was stuck with all my pictures in FTM
in PDF format. I use FTM as my master copy though.

I also use Heredis but this is no longer available for Windows only Mac.
Heredis has a brilliant male and female line ancestor reports which appeals
to me.

Another one I like for the reports is Legacy but the thing I really love
about Legacy is the birthday reminder that I check each morning. One clever
person on this newsgroup explained how to set it up so as that my computer
opens on to the birthdays each morning when I turn it on. It is not much
good being a serious genealogist and never knowing anyone's birthday or
anniversary.

My other favourite is Family Historian. I get a lot of value out of the
descendant report that you can set up to suit yourself. These reports seem
to me to be the best I have found but I am always looking.

All these programs have been purchased by me.

Kaye Payne

[Kay Archer]

"R. Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

I wish to ask you the people for a few moments of your prolly hurried day
to help me sift through the piles of Sales speak in software.

I'm not asking for the BEST, because I will receive 400 posts of use this
...

But, I've done this in other forums, and received very informative answers
as to why someone likes a certain software.

PAF (http://www.familysearch.org/eng/paf/pafonline.asp).

It's free.
I don't have to pay for updates.
I don't have to update every year.
I don't have to learn everything over with updates.
I expect the support team to be around for a long time (g).
If you need personal instruction go to your local Family History Center;
they'd love to help. (Shucks, they'd love to see a new face...)

I've been using BK for ever, but its always seemed well plain and doesn't
intuitively add someone and I get people connected that shouldn't and it
seems to take an act of GOD to get it undone. It has other niggles that
just bug me. Print outs are not that special either. And web publishing
is nil.

I don't have any experience with the PAF Companion, which is supposed to
improve the printouts.
I don't have any experience with webpublishing (of genealogy files, anyway).

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:46:08 GMT, "R. Scott" <[email protected]>
wrote:

I wish to ask you the people for a few moments of your prolly hurried day to
help me sift through the piles of Sales speak in software.

I'm not asking for the BEST, because I will receive 400 posts of use this
...

But, I've done this in other forums, and received very informative answers
as to why someone likes a certain software.

I've been using BK for ever, but its always seemed well plain and doesn't
intuitively add someone and I get people connected that shouldn't and it
seems to take an act of GOD to get it undone. It has other niggles that
just bug me. Print outs are not that special either. And web publishing is
nil.

SO, I'm looking around for something else, Price wise would like something
reasonable (I consider around 50 or less reasonable).

I really don't want Salesmen speak, I would like if you could, describe to
me as if I was sitting in your house and you found this neat software and I
should try it because

I know what you said but my first comment is...

....regardless of what any of us say the final decision is with you.

In my opinion there are only three programs to consider (in no
particular order) Legacy, RootsMagic and TMG. Each has a trial period
and you need to perform whatever routines you want to pursue and
decide which does them best. Or maybe even decide that it takes two,
or all three to satisfy your needs.

RM is fast, I like the navigation in Legacy and TMG is the most
sophisticated.

Even so, don't listen to just me - others have their favorites and for
good reason. I've tried just about all of the available programs and
I've made my decision - except I wish I could decide on just one
program and it wouldn't be one I don't use currently.

Hugh

[jesse mc]

Take a look at "legacy" you can download version 5.0 free. or you can order
it with cd & manuel. I am not computer literate or adept but I am verry
satisfied with the program. I have some 20,000 names & yes I'm linked to all
of them through blood &/or marriage. Lagacy accepts & displays pictures,
notes & sources. I too have BK it was my 1st system,
jesse mc
----- Original Message -----
From: "R. Scott" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.computing
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: Why do you like your Software

I wish to ask you the people for a few moments of your prolly hurried day
to help me sift through the piles of Sales speak in software.

I'm not asking for the BEST, because I will receive 400 posts of use this
...

But, I've done this in other forums, and received very informative answers
as to why someone likes a certain software.

I've been using BK for ever, but its always seemed well plain and doesn't
intuitively add someone and I get people connected that shouldn't and it
seems to take an act of GOD to get it undone. It has other niggles that
just bug me. Print outs are not that special either. And web publishing
is nil.

SO, I'm looking around for something else, Price wise would like
something reasonable (I consider around 50 or less reasonable).

I really don't want Salesmen speak, I would like if you could, describe to
me as if I was sitting in your house and you found this neat software and
I should try it because


?????????




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[R00tsMagic]

R. Scott wrote:

SO, I'm looking around for something else, Price wise would like something
reasonable (I consider around 50 or less reasonable).

Post your [munged] email address and I'll make you an offer you can't
refuse.

[Sherry]

"jesse mc" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

Take a look at "legacy" you can download version 5.0 free. or you
can order it with cd & manuel. I am not computer literate or adept
but I am verry satisfied with the program. I have some 20,000 names
& yes I'm linked to all of them through blood &/or marriage. Lagacy
accepts & displays pictures, notes & sources. I too have BK it was
my 1st system, jesse mc

Actually, the current version is Legacy v6 which you can download from
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com


Sherry
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
[email protected]
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

We are changing the world of genealogy!

[Sherry]

[email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

<snip>

...regardless of what any of us say the final decision is with you.

In my opinion there are only three programs to consider (in no
particular order) Legacy, RootsMagic and TMG. Each has a trial
period and you need to perform whatever routines you want to pursue
and decide which does them best. Or maybe even decide that it takes
two, or all three to satisfy your needs.

Legacy doesn't have a "trial period". The Standard Edition doesn't
time out nor does it limit the number of individuals or data you can
enter. The main differences between the free Standard Edition and the
Deluxe Edition are reports, views and a few other features.

But that is great advice, Hugh - to test the different programs to see
what works best for you!


Sherry
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
[email protected]
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

We are changing the world of genealogy!

[Pam]

"R. Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

I wish to ask you the people for a few moments of your prolly hurried day
to help me sift through the piles of Sales speak in software.

I'm not asking for the BEST, because I will receive 400 posts of use this
...

But, I've done this in other forums, and received very informative answers
as to why someone likes a certain software.

I've been using BK for ever, but its always seemed well plain and doesn't
intuitively add someone and I get people connected that shouldn't and it
seems to take an act of GOD to get it undone. It has other niggles that
just bug me. Print outs are not that special either. And web publishing
is nil.

SO, I'm looking around for something else, Price wise would like
something reasonable (I consider around 50 or less reasonable).

I use TMG and really love it. However, it is probably more complex than you
want or need and is a little more than the 50 you mentioned. I have used
Legacy but didn't care for it at all. Roots Magic is a very good program
and I urge you to give that a try. They offer a free trial. You might try
Legacy, too, as lots of people use it. BTW, I used BK years ago but gave it
up when TMG came along.

Pam
http://www.pamsgenealogy.net

[R. Scott]

Post your [munged] email address and I'll make you an offer you can't
refuse.

This is the one and only time I will reply to you. NO

I've only been reading this group for a short time, but you appear to be
nothing but a troll or
a very pathetic person with no life. I don't want to give you any
satisfaction.

Also I don't Accept any kind of Pirated Software, Developers work hard for
what little money they
get for their software.

Now into my kill file you go.

[R00tsMagic]

R. Scott wrote:

Post your [munged] email address and I'll make you an offer you can't
refuse.

This is the one and only time I will reply to you. NO

I've only been reading this group for a short time, but you appear to be
nothing but a troll or
a very pathetic person with no life. I don't want to give you any
satisfaction.

Also I don't Accept any kind of Pirated Software, Developers work hard for
what little money they
get for their software.

Now into my kill file you go.


God, what a moron. Who said anything about pirated software? Think for

yourself, asshole.

[Charlie Hoffpauir]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:46:08 GMT, "R. Scott" <[email protected]>
wrote:

I wish to ask you the people for a few moments of your prolly hurried day to
help me sift through the piles of Sales speak in software.

I'm not asking for the BEST, because I will receive 400 posts of use this
...

But, I've done this in other forums, and received very informative answers
as to why someone likes a certain software.

I've been using BK for ever, but its always seemed well plain and doesn't
intuitively add someone and I get people connected that shouldn't and it
seems to take an act of GOD to get it undone. It has other niggles that
just bug me. Print outs are not that special either. And web publishing is
nil.

SO, I'm looking around for something else, Price wise would like something
reasonable (I consider around 50 or less reasonable).

I really don't want Salesmen speak, I would like if you could, describe to
me as if I was sitting in your house and you found this neat software and I
should try it because


?????????

It really isn't likely that there is anyone else out here that uses
genealogy just like you do, and has the same likes and dislikes that
you do. However, there is one caution I'd like to make.... don't just
go with what you "like" and what seems "easiest" on trial. Try to
think ahead a bit. I'll give a few examples. I really like FTMs
reports and ease of use, so I started using FTM at about version 3.
But after I got more involved, I began to see that many of FTMs "ease
of use" features were real limitations. For example, you don't have a
separate data box for entering surnames, or suffixes (ie, Jr.). That
makes entry very easy, (Just type in John Smith, Jr, and everything
seems to sort out right). But later you begin to find that this
feature causes some real problems with more compilcated names. Also,
for some reason, FTM uses only one data field for both location and
comment. Now that REALLY messes up one's database.

After looking at many different packages, inclusing PAF, TMG and
Legacy, I finally decided on RootsMagic. But all are "good", with both
features I like and features I don't like. None seem as "easy to use"
as FTM, and none make as nice looking charts, but overall, just about
any one is preferable overall to FTM (for me). YMMV.


Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:30:06 -0600, Sherry <[email protected]> wrote:

[email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

snip

...regardless of what any of us say the final decision is with you.

In my opinion there are only three programs to consider (in no
particular order) Legacy, RootsMagic and TMG. Each has a trial
period and you need to perform whatever routines you want to pursue
and decide which does them best. Or maybe even decide that it takes
two, or all three to satisfy your needs.



Legacy doesn't have a "trial period". The Standard Edition doesn't
time out nor does it limit the number of individuals or data you can
enter. The main differences between the free Standard Edition and the
Deluxe Edition are reports, views and a few other features.

But that is great advice, Hugh - to test the different programs to see
what works best for you!


Sherry
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
[email protected]
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

We are changing the world of genealogy!

I wondered where you were - or if you were the Sherry minus the usual
sig.

In my attempt to be brief I was not sufficiently clear. I think the
standard edition of Legacy is a trial period for most. Although it
might suffice for some, I think most serious genealogists will quickly
switch to the DeLuxe version (assuming Legacy is their choice).

And, of course, I'm presuming he is using a Microsoft OS.

I fight the daily battle of one of my favorite programs having
excellent navigation but comparatively slow - the other is fast but
inferior navigation. Navigation is in the eye of the beholder - fast
or slow is not. I prefer speed over navigation but, interestingly,
that is not my main program.

If we agree that several programs (actually more than the three I
mentioned) are excellent for purposes of accumulating a data base,
then the decisive factor is printouts. I have two favorite printouts
so I use two programs.

One suggestion to the original poster, when you try programs, don't
take the time to input hundreds of names unless your purpose is to
create a GED that can be moved from program to program. Posting a few
names for each of several generations will accomplish as much with
considerably less effort.

In my opinion, programs that offer a free version, or a limited trial
version, are more impressive than those that only offer a demo that
can't be tested.

I don't like to endorse a particular program but I believe DNA testing
is the future of genealogy. Those of us who descend from other than
Kings, famous Indian chiefs, or gentleman planters (vice dirt farmers)
can't find the records we need to get back to Charlemagne or 1066 AD
or who-whenever. DNA is going to be the answer. One of the programs
has a separate function to track DNA, all set up to pre-list the
markers so that only the results need be listed. I suspect this
statement will soon be incorrect in that other programs are sure to
follow.

Hugh

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:15:23 GMT, "R. Scott" <[email protected]>
wrote:

Post your [munged] email address and I'll make you an offer you can't
refuse.

This is the one and only time I will reply to you. NO

I've only been reading this group for a short time, but you appear to be
nothing but a troll or
a very pathetic person with no life. I don't want to give you any
satisfaction.

Also I don't Accept any kind of Pirated Software, Developers work hard for
what little money they
get for their software.

Now into my kill file you go.

Well, given a little input, you're obviously capable of making proper
decisions. Bravo zulu, Mr. Scott!

If w7psk means what I think it does, I am wa4qzu.

Hugh

[R00tsMagic]

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

I believe DNA testing is the future of genealogy. Those of us who
descend from other than Kings, famous Indian chiefs, or gentleman
planters (vice dirt farmers) can't find the records we need to get
back to Charlemagne or 1066 AD or who-whenever. DNA is going to be
the answer.

In your case, I'm sure they can trace the DNA right back to our ape
ancestors.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:10:52 -0800, R00tsMagic <[email protected]>
wrote:

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
I believe DNA testing is the future of genealogy. Those of us who
descend from other than Kings, famous Indian chiefs, or gentleman
planters (vice dirt farmers) can't find the records we need to get
back to Charlemagne or 1066 AD or who-whenever. DNA is going to be
the answer.

In your case, I'm sure they can trace the DNA right back to our ape
ancestors.

I do enjoy monkeying around but, unlike you, I am a product of
intelligent design. I'm fast and you're half-fast.

Hugh

[R00tsMagic]

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

I do enjoy monkeying around but, unlike you, I am a product of
intelligent design. I'm fast and you're half-fast.

I don't want to make a monkey out of you. Why should I take all the
credit for the one thing you've done yourself?

[John Nichols]

"J. Hugh Sullivan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:10:52 -0800, R00tsMagic <[email protected]
wrote:

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
I believe DNA testing is the future of genealogy. Those of us who
descend from other than Kings, famous Indian chiefs, or gentleman
planters (vice dirt farmers) can't find the records we need to get
back to Charlemagne or 1066 AD or who-whenever. DNA is going to be
the answer.

In your case, I'm sure they can trace the DNA right back to our ape
ancestors.

I do enjoy monkeying around but, unlike you, I am a product of
intelligent design. I'm fast and you're half-fast.

Hugh

<snicker>

[Theo Carr-Brion]

Dwight Beers wrote:

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:46:08 +0000, R. Scott wrote:

I wish to ask you the people for a few moments of your prolly hurried day to
help me sift through the piles of Sales speak in software.

I'm not asking for the BEST, because I will receive 400 posts of use this
...

But, I've done this in other forums, and received very informative answers
as to why someone likes a certain software.

I've been using BK for ever, but its always seemed well plain and doesn't
intuitively add someone and I get people connected that shouldn't and it
seems to take an act of GOD to get it undone. It has other niggles that
just bug me. Print outs are not that special either. And web publishing is
nil.

SO, I'm looking around for something else, Price wise would like something
reasonable (I consider around 50 or less reasonable).

I really don't want Salesmen speak, I would like if you could, describe to
me as if I was sitting in your house and you found this neat software and I
should try it because


?????????

I use GRAMPS, because (1) it does everything I need it to do and
(2) it costs well under $50.

But, this probably won't help you much because you're probably using
a Microsoft operating system. Now, you talk about Salesmen speak!!!


GRAMPS does run well under Windows.

Theo Carr-Brion

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:36:38 -0800, R00tsMagic <[email protected]>
wrote:

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

I do enjoy monkeying around but, unlike you, I am a product of
intelligent design. I'm fast and you're half-fast.

I don't want to make a monkey out of you. Why should I take all the
credit for the one thing you've done yourself?

I certainly can't take credit for you - only a jack and jenny could do
that.

You are obviously a self-made man or whatever you are, thus removing
the responsibility from God.

Hugh

[R00tsMagic]

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:36:38 -0800, R00tsMagic <[email protected]
wrote:

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

I do enjoy monkeying around but, unlike you, I am a product of
intelligent design. I'm fast and you're half-fast.
I don't want to make a monkey out of you. Why should I take all the
credit for the one thing you've done yourself?

I certainly can't take credit for you - only a jack and jenny could
do that.

You are obviously a self-made man or whatever you are, thus removing
the responsibility from God.

Well, I'll see you in my dreams - if I eat too much cheese.

[Charani]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:46:08 GMT, R. Scott wrote:

SO, I'm looking around for something else, Price wise would like something
reasonable (I consider around 50 or less reasonable).

Well, I've used a couple of free programs: PAF (http://www.familysearch.org)
but I didn't like it. It seemed very limited in its options. It
wasn't particularly user friendly as far as I was concerned. I found
it difficult and not intuitive when it came to amalgamating
individuals into families. So I just use it for downloading GedComs
from familysearch.

The other free program that I've used was Legacy. I found that easy
to use, intuitive, user friendly and it does just about everything I
want. It's so easy to use that my then 10 year old dau installed the
program on her computer and happily started inputting data for me.
She had more trouble deciphering my original data than she did
figuring out how to use Legacy!! ) I've since upgraded to the
DeLuxe version (paid for) for the extra features which I find very
useful.

The only real way to find out what alternative suits you is to try as
many different programs as you can. Most, if not all, come with a
free trial if they only offer a paid for version.

[R. Scott]

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:15:23 GMT, "R. Scott" <[email protected]
wrote:

Post your [munged] email address and I'll make you an offer you can't
refuse.
This is the one and only time I will reply to you. NO

I've only been reading this group for a short time, but you appear to be
nothing but a troll or
a very pathetic person with no life. I don't want to give you any
satisfaction.

Also I don't Accept any kind of Pirated Software, Developers work hard for
what little money they
get for their software.

Now into my kill file you go.

Well, given a little input, you're obviously capable of making proper
decisions. Bravo zulu, Mr. Scott!

If w7psk means what I think it does, I am wa4qzu.

Hugh

Yep I R, You can find me PSK31 on 14.070 or 7.070 most nights

Hopefully this is the bottom of the cycle and 10 will open again.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:05:02 -0800, "R. Scott" <[email protected]>
wrote:

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:15:23 GMT, "R. Scott" <[email protected]
wrote:

Post your [munged] email address and I'll make you an offer you can't
refuse.
This is the one and only time I will reply to you. NO

I've only been reading this group for a short time, but you appear to be
nothing but a troll or
a very pathetic person with no life. I don't want to give you any
satisfaction.

Also I don't Accept any kind of Pirated Software, Developers work hard for
what little money they
get for their software.

Now into my kill file you go.

Well, given a little input, you're obviously capable of making proper
decisions. Bravo zulu, Mr. Scott!

If w7psk means what I think it does, I am wa4qzu.

Hugh

Yep I R, You can find me PSK31 on 14.070 or 7.070 most nights

Hopefully this is the bottom of the cycle and 10 will open again.

I'm not on psk but 10 is my spot.

Hugh

[R. Scott]

Well Im trying the great recommendations ... So far TMG is leading the
pack, but Gramps sounds interesting.
I think I could load it using my Knoppix 5.0.1 build I have.

TMG is only 39 with a web download ..


Thanks for your help.


Rick Scott
Everett Washington

[David Rowell]

There is a live CD with Gramps pre-loaded at the Gramps web site

R. Scott wrote:

Well Im trying the great recommendations ... So far TMG is leading the
pack, but Gramps sounds interesting.
I think I could load it using my Knoppix 5.0.1 build I have.

TMG is only 39 with a web download ..


Thanks for your help.


Rick Scott
Everett Washington