font problems running PAF under Wine

[Robert M. Riches Jr.]

Thanks to some very helpful suggestions by David Rowell, I
got PAF running (sort-of) under Wine (on Mandriva Linux
2006). The problem now is the fonts in the main part of the
window (but not the menu bar) are _w_a_y_ too wide. Instead
of the letters being about half as wide as they are tall,
they are around 3-4 times as wide as they are tall. Some
appear garbled or chopped off in addition to being
stretched.

Any suggestions to getting the fonts to be closer to
reasonable?

By way of details, I'm using wine-0.9.22-mdk, packaged by
Ivan Leo Puoti. If I remember correctly, this package came
from winehq.com. The OS is Mandriva Linux 2006. I am using
usp10.dll version 1.420 (found wandering around the wild,
wild web), with WINEDLLOVERRIDES set to "usp10=n,b". I have
corefonts downloaded from sourceforge, 12 of them, all
*32.exe copied to the system and system32 directories. I
used wineprefixcreate to build the initial sandbox. My
monitor is set to 1600x1200 resolution, and Wine seems to
insist on creating the PAF window at full screen size
(ignores -geometry). Resizing works (one direction at a
time) but does not appear to help the font problem. The PAF
version is 5.2, English, from purchased CD.

When I start up PAF under Wine, I get the following:

fixme:ole:CoRegisterMessageFilter message filter has been registered, but will not be used
fixme:htmlhelp:HtmlHelpW HH case HH_INITIALIZE not handled.
fixme:font:WineEngCreateFontInstance just using first face for now
fixme:font:WineEngCreateFontInstance just using first face for now

David Rowell said I would need to tweak some PAF 5.2
Preferences for fonts, but I can't read the dialog box to do
any tweaking.

Thanks.

--
Robert Riches
[email protected]
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 04:21:31 GMT, "Robert M. Riches Jr."
<[email protected]> wrote:

Thanks to some very helpful suggestions by David Rowell, I
got PAF running (sort-of) under Wine (on Mandriva Linux
2006).

I thought wine would magnify the problems vice simplify them.

Hugh

[Robert M. Riches Jr.]

On 2006-11-05, J. Hugh Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 04:21:31 GMT, "Robert M. Riches Jr."
[email protected]> wrote:

Thanks to some very helpful suggestions by David Rowell, I
got PAF running (sort-of) under Wine (on Mandriva Linux
2006).

I thought wine would magnify the problems vice simplify them.

(Yes, I saw the smily.) You are definitely correct when
referring to the liquid substance made from fermented grape
juice. It magnifies all manner of problems.

In my case, I haven't a shred of mal^H^H^Hsoftware from the
big company in Redmond, Washington in my house and plan to
keep it that way. My wife wants to learn just one genealogy
program and insists she wants to use PAF. The program
called "Wine" appears to be the only near-term bridge across
that gulf.

--
Robert Riches
[email protected]
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

[Robert Melson]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Robert M. Riches Jr." <[email protected]> writes:
<snip>

Any suggestions to getting the fonts to be closer to
reasonable?

By way of details, I'm using wine-0.9.22-mdk, packaged by
Ivan Leo Puoti. If I remember correctly, this package came
snip

Robert,

I haven't used wine in quite some time, but a quick scan of their
web page (http://www.winehq.com) seems to indicate you're at least a couple
of releases behind. Have you given any thought to updating your
wine release? Moreover, the user guide is available on the winehq site and
might provide some useful hints on how to resolve your problem(s).

HTH,

Somnolent Ol' Bob

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
"People unfit for freedom---who cannot do much with it---are
hungry for power." ---Eric Hoffer

[Robert M. Riches Jr.]

On 2006-11-05, Robert Melson <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
"Robert M. Riches Jr." <[email protected]> writes:
snip
Any suggestions to getting the fonts to be closer to
reasonable?

By way of details, I'm using wine-0.9.22-mdk, packaged by
Ivan Leo Puoti. If I remember correctly, this package came
snip

Robert,

I haven't used wine in quite some time, but a quick scan of their
web page (http://www.winehq.com) seems to indicate you're at least a couple
of releases behind. Have you given any thought to updating your
wine release? Moreover, the user guide is available on the winehq site and
might provide some useful hints on how to resolve your problem(s).

HTH,

Yes, Wine has evolved from 0.9.22 a month or so ago to
0.9.24 today. Tomorrow, it might be ...

Actually, email exchange with David Rowell has resulted in
what appears to be (at this point) a (mostly) fully
functional PAF installation under Wine. I had to build Wine
from scratch to include a source code patch from Wine bug
report #5669. I have a HowTo document written. After beta
testing it (on my wife), I plan to post it at winehq. If I
remember, I'll post a note here with the URL.

Thanks.

--
Robert Riches
[email protected]
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

[Peter]

Robert M. Riches Jr. wrote:

In my case, I haven't a shred of mal^H^H^Hsoftware from the
big company in Redmond, Washington in my house and plan to
keep it that way. My wife wants to learn just one genealogy
program and insists she wants to use PAF. The program
called "Wine" appears to be the only near-term bridge across
that gulf.

Shame about being stuck with PAF.
I have used gramps on Mandrake / Mandriva and Kubuntu, and it works just
fine.

HTH

Peter

[singhals]

Robert M. Riches Jr. wrote:

On 2006-11-05, Robert Melson <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
"Robert M. Riches Jr." <[email protected]> writes:
snip

Any suggestions to getting the fonts to be closer to
reasonable?

By way of details, I'm using wine-0.9.22-mdk, packaged by
Ivan Leo Puoti. If I remember correctly, this package came

snip

Robert,

I haven't used wine in quite some time, but a quick scan of their
web page (http://www.winehq.com) seems to indicate you're at least a couple
of releases behind. Have you given any thought to updating your
wine release? Moreover, the user guide is available on the winehq site and
might provide some useful hints on how to resolve your problem(s).

HTH,


Yes, Wine has evolved from 0.9.22 a month or so ago to
0.9.24 today. Tomorrow, it might be ...

Actually, email exchange with David Rowell has resulted in
what appears to be (at this point) a (mostly) fully
functional PAF installation under Wine. I had to build Wine
from scratch to include a source code patch from Wine bug
report #5669. I have a HowTo document written. After beta
testing it (on my wife), I plan to post it at winehq. If I
remember, I'll post a note here with the URL.

Thanks.

NOMB, really, but ... are you SURE it wouldn't have been
easier on your marriage to just go buy her a cheap, used
WIN-box she can keep in the car and use at her mother's?
Or, buy her a USB-Thumb she can take to the nearest FHC and
use on their WIN-OS boxes?

Cheryl-the-lazy

[Hugh Watkins]

singhals wrote:

Robert M. Riches Jr. wrote:

On 2006-11-05, Robert Melson <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
"Robert M. Riches Jr." <[email protected]> writes:
snip

Any suggestions to getting the fonts to be closer to
reasonable?

By way of details, I'm using wine-0.9.22-mdk, packaged by
Ivan Leo Puoti. If I remember correctly, this package came


snip

Robert,

I haven't used wine in quite some time, but a quick scan of their
web page (http://www.winehq.com) seems to indicate you're at least a couple
of releases behind. Have you given any thought to updating your
wine release? Moreover, the user guide is available on the winehq
site and
might provide some useful hints on how to resolve your problem(s).

HTH,



Yes, Wine has evolved from 0.9.22 a month or so ago to
0.9.24 today. Tomorrow, it might be ...

Actually, email exchange with David Rowell has resulted in
what appears to be (at this point) a (mostly) fully
functional PAF installation under Wine. I had to build Wine
from scratch to include a source code patch from Wine bug
report #5669. I have a HowTo document written. After beta
testing it (on my wife), I plan to post it at winehq. If I
remember, I'll post a note here with the URL.

Thanks.


NOMB, really, but ... are you SURE it wouldn't have been easier on your
marriage to just go buy her a cheap, used WIN-box she can keep in the
car and use at her mother's? Or, buy her a USB-Thumb she can take to the
nearest FHC and use on their WIN-OS boxes?

Cheryl-the-lazy

surely any house has 3 TVs and 3 computers - some have 3 cars too

mix and match OS according to taste
my old place had 2 windows PC and 6 or 7 macs (some out of a dumpster)

her one state of the art mac running parallels too

and three 5 year old PCs
I could put LINUX on any but I see little point



Hugh W





--

Beta blogger
http://nanowrimo3.blogspot.com/ visiting my past
http://hughw36-2.blogspot.com/ re-entry
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/" photographs and walks

old blogger
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

[singhals]

Hugh Watkins wrote:

singhals wrote:

Robert M. Riches Jr. wrote:

On 2006-11-05, Robert Melson <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
"Robert M. Riches Jr." <[email protected]> writes:
snip

Any suggestions to getting the fonts to be closer to
reasonable?

By way of details, I'm using wine-0.9.22-mdk, packaged by
Ivan Leo Puoti. If I remember correctly, this package came



snip

Robert,

I haven't used wine in quite some time, but a quick scan of their
web page (http://www.winehq.com) seems to indicate you're at least a couple
of releases behind. Have you given any thought to updating your
wine release? Moreover, the user guide is available on the winehq
site and
might provide some useful hints on how to resolve your problem(s).

HTH,




Yes, Wine has evolved from 0.9.22 a month or so ago to
0.9.24 today. Tomorrow, it might be ...

Actually, email exchange with David Rowell has resulted in
what appears to be (at this point) a (mostly) fully
functional PAF installation under Wine. I had to build Wine
from scratch to include a source code patch from Wine bug
report #5669. I have a HowTo document written. After beta
testing it (on my wife), I plan to post it at winehq. If I
remember, I'll post a note here with the URL.

Thanks.


NOMB, really, but ... are you SURE it wouldn't have been easier on
your marriage to just go buy her a cheap, used WIN-box she can keep in
the car and use at her mother's? Or, buy her a USB-Thumb she can take
to the nearest FHC and use on their WIN-OS boxes?

Cheryl-the-lazy

surely any house has 3 TVs and 3 computers - some have 3 cars too

mix and match OS according to taste
my old place had 2 windows PC and 6 or 7 macs (some out of a dumpster)

her one state of the art mac running parallels too

and three 5 year old PCs
I could put LINUX on any but I see little point

All true, but he said in the first post that he wouldn't let
a PC in his house. (g)

Cheryl

[Hugh Watkins]

singhals wrote:

Hugh Watkins wrote:

singhals wrote:

Robert M. Riches Jr. wrote:

On 2006-11-05, Robert Melson <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
"Robert M. Riches Jr." <[email protected]> writes:
snip

Any suggestions to getting the fonts to be closer to
reasonable?

By way of details, I'm using wine-0.9.22-mdk, packaged by
Ivan Leo Puoti. If I remember correctly, this package came




snip

Robert,

I haven't used wine in quite some time, but a quick scan of their
web page (http://www.winehq.com) seems to indicate you're at least a couple
of releases behind. Have you given any thought to updating your
wine release? Moreover, the user guide is available on the winehq
site and
might provide some useful hints on how to resolve your problem(s).

HTH,





Yes, Wine has evolved from 0.9.22 a month or so ago to
0.9.24 today. Tomorrow, it might be ...

Actually, email exchange with David Rowell has resulted in
what appears to be (at this point) a (mostly) fully
functional PAF installation under Wine. I had to build Wine
from scratch to include a source code patch from Wine bug
report #5669. I have a HowTo document written. After beta
testing it (on my wife), I plan to post it at winehq. If I
remember, I'll post a note here with the URL.

Thanks.


NOMB, really, but ... are you SURE it wouldn't have been easier on
your marriage to just go buy her a cheap, used WIN-box she can keep
in the car and use at her mother's? Or, buy her a USB-Thumb she can
take to the nearest FHC and use on their WIN-OS boxes?

Cheryl-the-lazy

surely any house has 3 TVs and 3 computers - some have 3 cars too

mix and match OS according to taste
my old place had 2 windows PC and 6 or 7 macs (some out of a dumpster)

her one state of the art mac running parallels too

and three 5 year old PCs
I could put LINUX on any but I see little point


All true, but he said in the first post that he wouldn't let a PC in his
house. (g)

Cheryl

well they are all TURING machines

and he is a clown

and the woman should just buy one for herself

Hugh W




--

Beta blogger
http://nanowrimo3.blogspot.com/ visiting my past
http://hughw36-2.blogspot.com/ re-entry
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/" photographs and walks

old blogger
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

[singhals]

Hugh Watkins wrote:

singhals wrote:

Hugh Watkins wrote:

singhals wrote:

Robert M. Riches Jr. wrote:

On 2006-11-05, Robert Melson <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
"Robert M. Riches Jr." <[email protected]> writes:
snip

Any suggestions to getting the fonts to be closer to
reasonable?

By way of details, I'm using wine-0.9.22-mdk, packaged by
Ivan Leo Puoti. If I remember correctly, this package came





snip

Robert,

I haven't used wine in quite some time, but a quick scan of their
web page (http://www.winehq.com) seems to indicate you're at least a couple
of releases behind. Have you given any thought to updating your
wine release? Moreover, the user guide is available on the winehq
site and
might provide some useful hints on how to resolve your problem(s).

HTH,






Yes, Wine has evolved from 0.9.22 a month or so ago to
0.9.24 today. Tomorrow, it might be ...

Actually, email exchange with David Rowell has resulted in
what appears to be (at this point) a (mostly) fully
functional PAF installation under Wine. I had to build Wine
from scratch to include a source code patch from Wine bug
report #5669. I have a HowTo document written. After beta
testing it (on my wife), I plan to post it at winehq. If I
remember, I'll post a note here with the URL.

Thanks.


NOMB, really, but ... are you SURE it wouldn't have been easier on
your marriage to just go buy her a cheap, used WIN-box she can keep
in the car and use at her mother's? Or, buy her a USB-Thumb she can
take to the nearest FHC and use on their WIN-OS boxes?

Cheryl-the-lazy

surely any house has 3 TVs and 3 computers - some have 3 cars too

mix and match OS according to taste
my old place had 2 windows PC and 6 or 7 macs (some out of a dumpster)

her one state of the art mac running parallels too

and three 5 year old PCs
I could put LINUX on any but I see little point



All true, but he said in the first post that he wouldn't let a PC in
his house. (g)

Cheryl

well they are all TURING machines

and he is a clown

and the woman should just buy one for herself

I s'pose we could entertain ourselves discussing the *exact*
meaning of PC: Personal Computer -- one might argue it
covered all desktops and laptops not just MS clones?

Cheryl

[Robert M. Riches Jr.]

On 2006-11-07, singhals <[email protected]> wrote:

Hugh Watkins wrote:

singhals wrote:

snip

All true, but he said in the first post that he wouldn't let a PC in
his house. (g)

Cheryl

well they are all TURING machines

and he is a clown

Hugh (assuming I understood the attribution correctly),
thank you for the compliment. That's one of the kindest
things anyone has said about me in a while.

and the woman should just buy one for herself

I passed along this suggestion to my wife, but it does not
appear that's something she wants to do.

I s'pose we could entertain ourselves discussing the *exact*
meaning of PC: Personal Computer -- one might argue it
covered all desktops and laptops not just MS clones?

Before the thread goes too far astray on the definition of a
"PC", I'd like to offer a bit of clarification. What I had
actually said is, "In my case, I haven't a shred of
....software from the big company in Redmond, Washington in
my house and plan to keep it that way." (Out of respect for
those in this newsgroup who might not appreciate it here,
let's take any OS advocacy debate to advocacy newsgroups or
email, please.)

By way of getting back to the original topic, in case it
might be of some help to anyone else in this group, I now
have PAF installed and apparently running fairly nicely
under Wine. After a little more wordsmithing, I plan to
submit a simple HowTo to the Wine web site application area.
Help from David Rowell and others is greatly appreciated in
getting it to install and run.

--
Robert Riches
[email protected]
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

[Robert Melson]

In article <[email protected]>,
singhals <[email protected]> writes:

Hugh Watkins wrote:

<snip>

well they are all TURING machines

and he is a clown

and the woman should just buy one for herself

I s'pose we could entertain ourselves discussing the *exact*
meaning of PC: Personal Computer -- one might argue it
covered all desktops and laptops not just MS clones?

Cheryl

Sounds to me like he's made the discovery that very few users
do: it's possible to "compute" without infecting your hardware
with Gates' Universal Computer Virus or, if you prefer, that there
is life without Micro$oft.

Installing wine is only one possible solution to Robert's problem.
He could, as well, install vmware or qemu if he wishes to run a
virtual PeeCee under Linux; he could look at Gramps or look
at GDBI-GenJ as standalone apps under Linux; or, as y'all have
suggested, he could plunk down a few bucks for a dedicated virus
host and ...

His point - and one you and I can't argue with - is that he's chosen
NOT to inflict windoze on himself or his family and has elected,
instead, to run windows apps under a non-Microsoft emulator.

Swell Ol' Bob


Speaking of Bobs, anybody know what's become of Bob Heiling? Haven't
seen anything from him in months.


--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
"People unfit for freedom---who cannot do much with it---are
hungry for power." ---Eric Hoffer

[Hugh Watkins]

singhals wrote:

Hugh Watkins wrote:

singhals wrote:

Hugh Watkins wrote:

singhals wrote:

Robert M. Riches Jr. wrote:

On 2006-11-05, Robert Melson <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
"Robert M. Riches Jr." <[email protected]> writes:
snip

Any suggestions to getting the fonts to be closer to
reasonable?

By way of details, I'm using wine-0.9.22-mdk, packaged by
Ivan Leo Puoti. If I remember correctly, this package came






snip

Robert,

I haven't used wine in quite some time, but a quick scan of their
web page (http://www.winehq.com) seems to indicate you're at least a couple
of releases behind. Have you given any thought to updating your
wine release? Moreover, the user guide is available on the
winehq site and
might provide some useful hints on how to resolve your problem(s).

HTH,







Yes, Wine has evolved from 0.9.22 a month or so ago to
0.9.24 today. Tomorrow, it might be ...

Actually, email exchange with David Rowell has resulted in
what appears to be (at this point) a (mostly) fully
functional PAF installation under Wine. I had to build Wine
from scratch to include a source code patch from Wine bug
report #5669. I have a HowTo document written. After beta
testing it (on my wife), I plan to post it at winehq. If I
remember, I'll post a note here with the URL.

Thanks.


NOMB, really, but ... are you SURE it wouldn't have been easier on
your marriage to just go buy her a cheap, used WIN-box she can keep
in the car and use at her mother's? Or, buy her a USB-Thumb she can
take to the nearest FHC and use on their WIN-OS boxes?

Cheryl-the-lazy

surely any house has 3 TVs and 3 computers - some have 3 cars too

mix and match OS according to taste
my old place had 2 windows PC and 6 or 7 macs (some out of a
dumpster)

her one state of the art mac running parallels too

and three 5 year old PCs
I could put LINUX on any but I see little point




All true, but he said in the first post that he wouldn't let a PC in
his house. (g)

Cheryl

well they are all TURING machines

and he is a clown

and the woman should just buy one for herself


I s'pose we could entertain ourselves discussing the *exact* meaning of
PC: Personal Computer -- one might argue it covered all desktops and
laptops not just MS clones?

no
boring
off topic
grab a dictionary of the english language
there are no exact meanings of words
only usages which get reinvented constantly see OED
and
news:alt.english.usage
aka
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.english.usage?lnk=sg

as for the ante MS dogma
it as useful as any political dogma


women who cannot have their own income, career, money and freedom of
choice, drive cars or operate computers or change a light bulb or a
fuse are living in a tragic world of self imposed isolation (if not
disabled)


Hugh W

--

Beta blogger
http://nanowrimo3.blogspot.com/ visiting my past
http://hughw36-2.blogspot.com/ re-entry
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/" photographs and walks

old blogger
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

[Robert Melson]

In article <[email protected]>,
Hugh Watkins <[email protected]> writes:
<snip>

as for the ante MS dogma
it as useful as any political dogma

I do hope, Hugh, that the ante, above, is just a typo ...
otherwise, you're talking about before MS, and that was,
among other things, CP/M

Senescent Ol' Bob

snip

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
"People unfit for freedom---who cannot do much with it---are
hungry for power." ---Eric Hoffer

[singhals]

Robert Melson wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
singhals <[email protected]> writes:

Hugh Watkins wrote:


snip

well they are all TURING machines

and he is a clown

and the woman should just buy one for herself

I s'pose we could entertain ourselves discussing the *exact*
meaning of PC: Personal Computer -- one might argue it
covered all desktops and laptops not just MS clones?

Cheryl



Sounds to me like he's made the discovery that very few users
do: it's possible to "compute" without infecting your hardware
with Gates' Universal Computer Virus or, if you prefer, that there
is life without Micro$oft.

Oh, I _know_ it, I just don't think it's worth the effort it
takes. (g) Same way as I _know_ it's possible to get from
Atlanta to St. Louis without using a motor but I don't think
that's worth the effort either. (g)

Installing wine is only one possible solution to Robert's problem.
He could, as well, install vmware or qemu if he wishes to run a
virtual PeeCee under Linux; he could look at Gramps or look
at GDBI-GenJ as standalone apps under Linux; or, as y'all have
suggested, he could plunk down a few bucks for a dedicated virus
host and ...

His point - and one you and I can't argue with - is that he's chosen
NOT to inflict windoze on himself or his family and has elected,
instead, to run windows apps under a non-Microsoft emulator.

Whatever floats 'is boat. Seems awfully like re-inventing
the sliced bread to me. (shrug)

Swell Ol' Bob


Speaking of Bobs, anybody know what's become of Bob Heiling? Haven't
seen anything from him in months.

We should hear now. (g)

Cheryl

[David Rowell]

If several of you would do Robert, (unspecified others) and I a favor by
visiting the http://www.winehq.org web site - clicking on "AppDB" in the menu
to the top-left - take the time to set-up an account - sign-in - enter
PAF in the "Search" box - and click one of the 3 buttons in the Votes"
menu to the lower left - click "Vote for App"

That would help us in getting the Wine programmers attention so that the
niggling little problems left would be addressed.

Dave Rowell