Siri Olsdatter of Mokleby born about 1802

[dn26520]

My great-great-great grandmother Siri Olsdatter of Mokleby married Helge Knudsen of Mokleby on April 16, 1829. His age is listed as 17 1/4 and hers is 26 1/2:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-195
There were two women with the name, Siri Olsdatter, living at Mokleby at this time, who were almost exactly the same age. My ancestor is NOT the Siri Olsdatter who was born at Mokleby and baptized on 1 January 1803- the daughter of Ole Knudsen and Ingeborg Helgesdatter. My Siri Olsdatter was not confirmed in Stor-Elvdal and I can find no record of her prior to her marriage. I do not know where she was born or where she may have come from. She and her husband had four children together, Dorothy, born 15 July 1829:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-93
Karen Helgesdatter, born 8 August 1831:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-136
Ole Helgesen, born 23 March 1834:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-145
and Knud Helgesen, born 9 April 1837: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-158
Helge Knudsen, Siri Olsdatter, their four children, and granddaughter emigrated to America on 26 May 1852:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-267
On Siri Olsdatter's death record in Grant, Dunn County, Wisconsin, USA, it says that she was born 30 October 1802.
Siri Olsdatter's husband, Helge Knudsen, was born on 22 February 1812 at Mokleby, the son of Knud Helgesen and Ragnild Tollefsdatter:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-12
Any information regarding Siri Olsdatter of Mokleby, wife of Helge Knudsen, would be greatly appreciated.

[dn20678]

I am not able to open your links. Have you used the permanently link in the church book?
Open and choose, øverst means at the top, nederst means at the bottom. Then you choose one of the permanently links.

Vibecke

[dn26520]

I have edited my query on Siri Olsdatter so that all of the links can be opened. Larry Justad

[dn07416]

I hope this link works, no. 10:

Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Åmot, Ministerialbok nr. 5 (1815-1841), Ekteviede 1829, side 424-425.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-195

Kind regards, Laila Kornstad.

[dn26520]

I wonder if my ancestor, Sir Olsdatter, could be the child of Ole Olsen and Guri Olsdatter baptized at Åmot on 11 Oct 1801: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 340375.jpg They lived at Løset. She was confirmed on 15 Jun 1817:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 350014.jpg She was the daughter of Ole Olsen of Løset in Åmot and Guri Olsdatter, who was from Stai in Stor Elvdal. They were married at Stor Elvdal on 18 Jun 1798: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 340275.jpg There is no record of Siri Olsdatter of Løset after her confirmation in 1817. There is no record of her emigration, death, and there is no record of Siri Olsdatter of Løset marrying. She is not in the 1865 census. I am able to account for the birth and marriage of every other Siri Olsdatter in both Åmot and Stor Elvdal at this time except the Siri Olsdatter who was born in Løset in 1801 and the Siri Olsdatter of Møkleby, who married Helge Knudsen in 1829: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 340703.jpg Siri Olsdatter of Løset also is just about the right age as my ancestor. Perhaps there is some information about Siri Olsdatter of Løset in the Åmot bygdebok? I believe Ole Olsen and Guri Oldatter were from nedre Løset, because Ole Olsen's mother, also Siri Olsdatter, died there in 1831: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 340626.jpg

[dn26520]

It seems I have now been able to determine where Siri Olsdatter was born and who her parents were. It seems she was born in Tyldal, and her family emigrated to Rendal about 1815: https://slektsforum.slektogdata.no/view ... p?t=123318

Now I have questions as to if three of her siblings also moved to Stor Elvdal. Her oldest brother, Engegret (Ingebret) Olsen was born in Folldal and baptized in the main parish of Lesja, Oppland in 1789: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 470606.jpg

Is he the same Engebret Olsen of Møkleby who married Pernille Helgesdatter at Stor Elvdal on 2 January 1825: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 340697.jpg
Even though the Engebret who marries at Stor Elvdal is listed as three years younger than the Engebret who was from Folldal. Engebret Olsen and Pernille Helgesdatter do have two children, Ole baptized 27 January 1825 from Møkleby: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 340576.jpg and Kari of Møkleby baptized 27 April 1827:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 340588.jpg Engebret, his wife and children emigrated from Stor Elvdal in 1831:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 350060.jpg The parish records say that they emigrated to Nordland, but they actually emigrated to Målselv, Troms. Engebret (Ingebret) died there in 1853: http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webce ... n=1924begr Again, his age is off by three years. His wife is listed there in the 1865 census: http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en ... 8391002976

Another sibling to Siri Olsdatter was Marit. She was from Folldal and baptized in the main parish of Lesja, Oppland, on 19 September 1790: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 470623.jpg Could she be the same Marit Olsdatter of Møkleby who married Anders Sivertsen on 19 October 1817: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 340686.jpg I realized that her age is off by four years. They had two children baptized in Stor Elvdal: Iver, who was from Lille Hammern and was baptized on 12 April 1819: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 340539.jpg
and Ole who lived at Stai and was baptized on 1 August 1821: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 340555.jpg Siri Olsdatter of Møkleby was a godparent at his baptism. The parish records say they emigrated to Nordland in 1824:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 350058.jpg They actually emigrated to Balsfjord, Tromso. Marta (Marit) lived there as a widow with her son and family in the 1865 census: http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webce ... 4&merk=143 I realize it says that she was born in Aamodt and that her age is off by four years, but it may still be her.

I have another question about a possible sibling to Siri Olsdatter. This is about Ragnild Olsdatter. Siri's sister, Ragnild the elder, was born and baptized in Tynset on 23 December 1798:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 400049.jpg Is this the same Ragnild Olsdatter who married Jens Hansen at Stor Elvdal on 31 March 1825:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 340697.jpg
They are both listed as being from Messelt. They had a son, Ole, baptized on 2 August 1825: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 340579.jpg
After this, they seem to just disappear from the parish. I cannot find a record of them anywhere. Any information about any of these families would be greatly appreciated.

[Anne Lisbeth Stavland]

It’s highly appreciated if you copy "permanent sidelenke" when you copy links from Church records. . Then we can increase size etc for easy reading.


It’s simple: at the top where it says "Bildeinformasjon" select "øverst".
Then copy the link "permanent sidelenke"

Here is the marriage between Engebret and Pernille no 4: www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9186&idx_id=9186&uid=ny&idx_side=-189

Some times the fathers of groom and bride are listed in the Church records at marriages. That way you could easily see if it’s the correct person. That’s not the case here
The age difference is rather common and 3 years is no big deal.

[Anne Lisbeth Stavland]

Here is Ragnild the elders baptisme. Left page.

www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9207&idx_id=9207&uid=ny&idx_side=-47

Here is this family in 1801 census:gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f18010437&personpostnr=1804&merk=1804

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

A. L. S. wrote:
Some times the fathers of groom and bride are listed in the Church records at marriages. That way you could easily see if it’s the correct person. That’s not the case here.
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In this churchbook the heading in the column does not say the bridegroom's father and the bride's father, it says "forloverne" = the sponsors. The sponsors maybe the bridegroom's father and the bride's father, or maybe other persons, related to those who are getting married.

We do not know for sure whether Ole Torgalsen Møkleby is Engebret Olsen's father until we have found one Engebret Olsen born ca. 1792, son of Ole Torgalsen or maybe Torgersen in Storelvdal.

The churchbook record says Ole Torgalsen, 1801 census Aamodt, Ole Torgalsen is not listed, but one Ole Torgersen, 5 years old, at Møkleby in Storelvdalen:

http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webce ... merk=2311#

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Engebret Olsen married to Pernille Helgesdatter, who emmigrated to Målselv is not the brother of your Siri Olsdatter.
The bygdebok of Målselv, p. 533: He is born in Koppang, Storelvdalen about 1792. Parents: Ole Olsen Koppang and Margrethe Engebretsdatter.
From census 1801, Aamodt, Storelvdalen:
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webce ... 1619#nedre

Engebret Olsen, Koppang, b. 1792:
Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Åmot, Ministerialbok nr. 3 (1780-1810), Fødte og døpte 1792, side 172-173.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-84
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 340336.jpg

Engebret and his wife and to children came to Målselv ab. 1831, and settled on the farm Løberg.

[dn26520]

I don't necessarily agree. I think he still may be the brother of Siri Olsdatter. The reason I say this is because there is a different Engebret Olsen of Koppang who marries in 1823
(the other Engebret Olsen who marries in 1825 is listed as being from Møkleby). Here is the listing: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 340694.jpg
This Engebret Olsen of Koppang who was married in 1823 is most likely the Engebret Olsen who was born in Koppang in 1792: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 340336.jpg In fact, he was the only Engebret Olsen who was baptized at Stor Elvdal 1785-1798 except for his younger brother, Engebret Olsen, who died as a baby. I still believe that the Engebret Olsen who was listed as being from Møkleby in 1825 when he married Pernille Helgesdatter may still very well be the brother of Siri Olsdatter.

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Embret Olsen Lien got three children out of wedlock.

Halvor Engebretsen b. 13/3-1820, mother Eli Halvorsen Osdalen.
Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Rendal, Ministerialbok nr. 3 (1815-1829), Fødte og døpte 1815-1829, side 38-39.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-21
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 360197.jpg

Eli Halvorsdatter Stensby, b. 1791, married Sæming Sæmingsen, b. 1789, in 1920.
Eli died 1841. P. 734, bb Ytre Rendalen

Gjertrud Embretsdatter, b. 16/6-1820, mother Else Olsdatter Hornset, præstegaard (Prestgård)
Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Rendal, Ministerialbok nr. 3 (1815-1829), Fødte og døpte 1815-1829, side 36-37.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-20
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 360196.jpg

Else, b. 1793, 1835, died unmarried. (S. 724, Prestgard, bb ytre Rendalen)

Ragnhild Embretsdatter, b. 18/9-1823, mother Ragnhild Nielsdatter Fiskevig.

Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Rendal, Ministerialbok nr. 3 (1815-1829), Fødte og døpte 1815-1829, side 88-89.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-46
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 360222.jpg

Ragnhild, f. 1792, d. 1830, married 1823 Embret Embretsen Malienget, Tylldal, b. 1794, d. 1837. (P. 170, nordre Fiskvik)

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Both Engebret Olsen, the one married in 1823, wife Magrete Tomasdatter, and the one who married Pernille Helgesdatter in 1825, emmigrated to Målselv in 1831.

Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Åmot, Ministerialbok nr. 5 (1815-1841), Utflyttede 1831, side 580-581.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-261
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 350060.jpg

Engebret Olsen and Pernille Helgesdatter came to Løberg. He died there in 1856.
The b.b. of Målselv listed Engebret b. ab. 1792, parents Ole Olsen and Margrete Engebretsdatter, Koppang.
(Målselv bygdebok, p. 533)

Engebret Olsen and Magrete Tomasdatter came to Solvoll in Øverbygd. He died there in 1853.
Magrete in 1856.