tracing of relatives

[Dave Hunter]

Hi,

I know its a tall order but here goes. My great Grandfather Louis
Larson, who was classed as a fisherman, was born in Oslo in either
1859 or 1869 ( they were unsure about his true age). ( His father by
the same name was a stonemason )He left Norway and emigrated to
Grimsby in England, and changed his surname to Lawson. He then married
a Florence Ellen Winney on 7th November 1897 in Great Grimsby. That is
all I can find out at the moment. Is there anyone out there that can
help me trace any living relatives or point me in the right direction

Thanks

Dave Hunter

[Kelly]

"Dave Hunter" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...

Hi,

I know its a tall order but here goes. My great Grandfather Louis
Larson, who was classed as a fisherman, was born in Oslo in either
1859 or 1869 ( they were unsure about his true age). ( His father by
the same name was a stonemason )He left Norway and emigrated to
Grimsby in England, and changed his surname to Lawson. He then married
a Florence Ellen Winney on 7th November 1897 in Great Grimsby. That is
all I can find out at the moment. Is there anyone out there that can
help me trace any living relatives or point me in the right direction

Thanks

Dave Hunter

Do you have any death certificate or any other official document? Are you
sure his name was Louis and not Lorentz, for instance? Could it be that he
was not born in Oslo (Christiania at that time) but nearby?

I found a couple of candidates :
Lorentz Larsen B. 1863
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... 52129#ovre

On FS, I found a Louis Adolf Larsen b. 25/1/1864
parents Lars Anton Pedersen and Anette Caroline Olsen, he was baptized in
Domkirken on 13/3-1864. But I can't find him in the 1865 census

But it seems that he emigrates to the US :
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... 42191#ovre

Maybe you should try a query on the digitalarkivet (archive forum), you can
write in English :
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/We ... r&spraak=e


K.P.

[Dave Hinz]

On 26 Oct 2004 13:13:04 -0700, Dave Hunter <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi,

I know its a tall order but here goes. My great Grandfather Louis
Larson, who was classed as a fisherman, was born in Oslo in either
1859 or 1869 ( they were unsure about his true age).

OK, so he's either there in 1865 or not. Oslo is going to be
tricky. Does he have a middle name?

( His father by
the same name was a stonemason )

Do you have a middle name for his father? There may be a "place name"
lurking somewhere (not a -sen patronym)?

He left Norway and emigrated to
Grimsby in England, and changed his surname to Lawson.

Do you have a year? Also, I don't think his first name would have
been Louis in Norway either, which is going to confuzzle the already
interesting search in this case.

He then married
a Florence Ellen Winney on 7th November 1897 in Great Grimsby. That is
all I can find out at the moment.

Sounds like you have a solid record for that - is there any chance he was
a member of the church he was married in (likely) and that they might have
a document from when he joined (less likely) that tells anything useful
about his previous church (even less likely)? If you can track down even
the year, you can check the emigration records that are online to see
if you can find him. The name change is going to make this tricky,
unless the "-son" is accurate; most people in that century from Norway
would have ended with "-sen".

Is there anyone out there that can
help me trace any living relatives or point me in the right direction

Let's find him in the 1865 or 1875 first. Do you know if his dad stayed
in Norway, or came to England as well? If we can find him and his dad
together, we can see how many of that pairing are in Oslo, and work from
there.

Dave Hinz

[Kelly]

"Dave Hunter" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...

Hi,

I know its a tall order but here goes. My great Grandfather Louis
Larson, who was classed as a fisherman, was born in Oslo in either
1859 or 1869 ( they were unsure about his true age). ( His father by
the same name was a stonemason )He left Norway and emigrated to
Grimsby in England, and changed his surname to Lawson. He then married
a Florence Ellen Winney on 7th November 1897 in Great Grimsby. That is
all I can find out at the moment. Is there anyone out there that can
help me trace any living relatives or point me in the right direction

Thanks

Dave Hunter

The only sailor I found in the 1875 census was a Gerhard Louis Larsen b.
1859 in Dröbak (east of Oslo)
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... 1423#nedre

He could have dropped Gerhard, and the age seems to correspond, but the
problem is his father was a sailor too according to the 1865 census.

There are not many Louis in 1865, and especially not with larson as a
surname; as I said in my other post, I think it's Laurents/Lauris/Ludvig or
something like that.

K.P.

[Robert Heiling]

Dave Hinz wrote:

On 26 Oct 2004 13:13:04 -0700, Dave Hunter <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,

I know its a tall order but here goes. My great Grandfather Louis
Larson, who was classed as a fisherman, was born in Oslo in either
1859 or 1869 ( they were unsure about his true age).

OK, so he's either there in 1865 or not. Oslo is going to be
tricky. Does he have a middle name?

( His father by
the same name was a stonemason )

Do you have a middle name for his father? There may be a "place name"
lurking somewhere (not a -sen patronym)?

He left Norway and emigrated to
Grimsby in England, and changed his surname to Lawson.

Do you have a year? Also, I don't think his first name would have
been Louis in Norway either, which is going to confuzzle the already
interesting search in this case.

He then married
a Florence Ellen Winney on 7th November 1897 in Great Grimsby. That is
all I can find out at the moment.

Sounds like you have a solid record for that - is there any chance he was
a member of the church he was married in (likely) and that they might have
a document from when he joined (less likely) that tells anything useful
about his previous church (even less likely)? If you can track down even
the year, you can check the emigration records that are online to see
if you can find him. The name change is going to make this tricky,
unless the "-son" is accurate; most people in that century from Norway
would have ended with "-sen".

Is there anyone out there that can
help me trace any living relatives or point me in the right direction

Let's find him in the 1865 or 1875 first. Do you know if his dad stayed
in Norway, or came to England as well? If we can find him and his dad
together, we can see how many of that pairing are in Oslo, and work from
there.

The 1901 UK census is also online. A search on the surnames Larsen, Larson, &
Lawson without specifying a given-name gives

Name Age Where Born Administrative County Civil Parish
Occupation
Charles Larsen 8M Norfolk Gorleston Grimsby Gt Grimsby
William Larsen 30 Norfolk Yarmouth Grimsby Gt Grimsby Fisherman

John Larson 42 Sweden Grimsby Lincolnshire Gt Grimsby Marine
Merchant Tailor
Foreign
Subject

Alfred Lawson 47 Norway B S Grimsby Lincolnshire Gt Grimsby Lumper
On Trawler

There were 13 hits for Lawson, but nothing looking like Louis and this one was
the only one that was foreign-born. It's a fee service to get further details.
http://www.1901census.nationalarchives. ... index.html

Bob

[Dave Hunter]

"Kelly" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

"Dave Hunter" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
Hi,

I know its a tall order but here goes. My great Grandfather Louis
Larson, who was classed as a fisherman, was born in Oslo in either
1859 or 1869 ( they were unsure about his true age). ( His father by
the same name was a stonemason )He left Norway and emigrated to
Grimsby in England, and changed his surname to Lawson. He then married
a Florence Ellen Winney on 7th November 1897 in Great Grimsby. That is
all I can find out at the moment. Is there anyone out there that can
help me trace any living relatives or point me in the right direction

Thanks

Dave Hunter

Do you have any death certificate or any other official document? Are you
sure his name was Louis and not Lorentz, for instance? Could it be that he
was not born in Oslo (Christiania at that time) but nearby?

I found a couple of candidates :
Lorentz Larsen B. 1863
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... 52129#ovre

On FS, I found a Louis Adolf Larsen b. 25/1/1864
parents Lars Anton Pedersen and Anette Caroline Olsen, he was baptized in
Domkirken on 13/3-1864. But I can't find him in the 1865 census

But it seems that he emigrates to the US :
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... 42191#ovre

Maybe you should try a query on the digitalarkivet (archive forum), you can
write in English :
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/We ... r&spraak=e


K.P.

thanks Kelly,I tried to search but it was still in Norweigan. I can
only go on what is on the marriage cert. Louis was the first name and
he had changed from Larson to Lawson so my relatives assure me. His
father is also shown as Louis.

[Kelly]

"Dave Hunter" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...

"Kelly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
"Dave Hunter" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
Hi,

I know its a tall order but here goes. My great Grandfather Louis
Larson, who was classed as a fisherman, was born in Oslo in either
1859 or 1869 ( they were unsure about his true age). ( His father by
the same name was a stonemason )He left Norway and emigrated to
Grimsby in England, and changed his surname to Lawson. He then married
a Florence Ellen Winney on 7th November 1897 in Great Grimsby. That is
all I can find out at the moment. Is there anyone out there that can
help me trace any living relatives or point me in the right direction

Thanks

Dave Hunter

Do you have any death certificate or any other official document? Are you
sure his name was Louis and not Lorentz, for instance? Could it be that
he
was not born in Oslo (Christiania at that time) but nearby?

I found a couple of candidates :
Lorentz Larsen B. 1863
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... 52129#ovre

On FS, I found a Louis Adolf Larsen b. 25/1/1864
parents Lars Anton Pedersen and Anette Caroline Olsen, he was baptized in
Domkirken on 13/3-1864. But I can't find him in the 1865 census

But it seems that he emigrates to the US :
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... 42191#ovre

Maybe you should try a query on the digitalarkivet (archive forum), you
can
write in English :
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/We ... r&spraak=e


K.P.

thanks Kelly,I tried to search but it was still in Norweigan. I can
only go on what is on the marriage cert. Louis was the first name and
he had changed from Larson to Lawson so my relatives assure me. His
father is also shown as Louis.

His father is also called Larson?
Yes, but you can post a query in English. Be as specific as you can and give
all the data you have.
I've checked the 1875 census for Norway, no one there other than the one I
found in Dröbak.

There's no such family in Oslo / Christiania in 1865 either.

I found another family in Dröbak :
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... k=956#ovre

Lorentz or lauritz could very well be changed to Louis. Here the father was
a sailor.

Lars/Louis/Lorentz were often mixed in those days.

Sarpsborg is also close to Oslo, here the father was a carpenter:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... =2601#ovre

They both have Larsen as patronymic

This could be a possible father if he was born after 1865 :

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... =1676#ovre

I think it will be rather difficult to find.

Kelly

[Kelly]

"Dave Hunter" <[email protected]>

thanks Kelly,I tried to search but it was still in Norweigan. I can
only go on what is on the marriage cert. Louis was the first name and
he had changed from Larson to Lawson so my relatives assure me. His
father is also shown as Louis.

What about this Norwegian in the 1881 British census :
Ludvig LARSEN
Male

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Other Information:
Birth Year <1864>
Birthplace Norway
Age 17
Occupation A B Seaman
Marital Status U <Unmarried>
Head of Household J. NORBOY
Relation Other
Disability

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Source Information:
Vessel "Einar..."
Census Place Cardiff St Mary, Glamorgan, Wales
Family History Library Film 1342273
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5291 / 168

[David Webb]

They must have both been called Lars Larsen, because you said he was a
Larsen, so his father must have been Lars not Louis. Also Larson is tthe
Swedish spelliing, but Larsen is Danish and Norwegian.,.


"Dave Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Hi,

I know its a tall order but here goes. My great Grandfather Louis
Larson, who was classed as a fisherman, was born in Oslo in either
1859 or 1869 ( they were unsure about his true age). ( His father by
the same name was a stonemason )He left Norway and emigrated to
Grimsby in England, and changed his surname to Lawson. He then married
a Florence Ellen Winney on 7th November 1897 in Great Grimsby. That is
all I can find out at the moment. Is there anyone out there that can
help me trace any living relatives or point me in the right direction

Thanks

Dave Hunter

[Kelly]

Larson (or Larsson) is also Norwegian. It all depends where you come from.
If you come from Vestlandet (as I do), you'll mostly find Larson or Larsson
in the bygdebooks (the books about specific villages or hamlets or farms)
Since this man is supposed to come from Oslo (Christiania at that time) I
grant you that it would no doubt be Larsen. You should also know that Lars
was written in many different ways some hundred years ago, as I said i an
earlier post. That's why you shouldn't only look for Lars, Lasse, Laurits or
Louis for that matter. If you go to the main page of the 1865 census and
just type in Forename beginning with L, you'll see a lot of variations
(Förenamn | byrjar paa|). That's what makes it even more difficult, since
the birthdate is so approximate.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/We ... 1&emnenr=3

Kelly Petit


"David Webb" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...

They must have both been called Lars Larsen, because you said he was a
Larsen, so his father must have been Lars not Louis. Also Larson is tthe
Swedish spelliing, but Larsen is Danish and Norwegian.,.


"Dave Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Hi,

I know its a tall order but here goes. My great Grandfather Louis
Larson, who was classed as a fisherman, was born in Oslo in either
1859 or 1869 ( they were unsure about his true age). ( His father by
the same name was a stonemason )He left Norway and emigrated to
Grimsby in England, and changed his surname to Lawson. He then married
a Florence Ellen Winney on 7th November 1897 in Great Grimsby. That is
all I can find out at the moment. Is there anyone out there that can
help me trace any living relatives or point me in the right direction

Thanks

Dave Hunter