South Carolina 1860 census
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saki
South Carolina 1860 census
I've been looking for any trace of a family called Jatho in the 1860
federal census. They should be living in South Carolina, likely Greenwood,
Abbeville.
G.W. Jatho is the head, married to Eliza. In the 1870 census they're 47 and
39 years old, respectively, and have seven children all born in SC. The
three oldest Philip, Pauline and George, should be around for the 1860
census but I can't find the family even outside of SC.
Was there anything unusual about this pre-Civil War period in terms of
census taking in the southern states? Or did my family just not get
recorded?
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saki@ucla.edu
federal census. They should be living in South Carolina, likely Greenwood,
Abbeville.
G.W. Jatho is the head, married to Eliza. In the 1870 census they're 47 and
39 years old, respectively, and have seven children all born in SC. The
three oldest Philip, Pauline and George, should be around for the 1860
census but I can't find the family even outside of SC.
Was there anything unusual about this pre-Civil War period in terms of
census taking in the southern states? Or did my family just not get
recorded?
----
saki@ucla.edu
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Alan Jones
Re: South Carolina 1860 census
Could it be W. Jatho & wife Eliza in the 1860 census
Birthplace: Germany
Home in 1860: Philadelphia Ward 12 Division 1, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Post Office: Philadelphia
Roll: M653_1162
Page: 16
Year: 1860
She was 26 and he was
"saki" <saki@ucla.edu> wrote in message
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Birthplace: Germany
Home in 1860: Philadelphia Ward 12 Division 1, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Post Office: Philadelphia
Roll: M653_1162
Page: 16
Year: 1860
She was 26 and he was
"saki" <saki@ucla.edu> wrote in message
news:Xns958F60CDB8BEDsakiuclaedu@169.232.47.140...
I've been looking for any trace of a family called Jatho in the 1860
federal census. They should be living in South Carolina, likely Greenwood,
Abbeville.
G.W. Jatho is the head, married to Eliza. In the 1870 census they're 47
and
39 years old, respectively, and have seven children all born in SC. The
three oldest Philip, Pauline and George, should be around for the 1860
census but I can't find the family even outside of SC.
Was there anything unusual about this pre-Civil War period in terms of
census taking in the southern states? Or did my family just not get
recorded?
----
saki@ucla.edu
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Sharon
Re: South Carolina 1860 census
Not the census, but I found mention of a George Jatho on this page:
http://theoldentimes.com/moultrie08081883sc.html
not much I know, but maybe helpful???
Sharon
"saki" <saki@ucla.edu> wrote in message
news:Xns958F60CDB8BEDsakiuclaedu@169.232.47.140...
http://theoldentimes.com/moultrie08081883sc.html
not much I know, but maybe helpful???
Sharon
"saki" <saki@ucla.edu> wrote in message
news:Xns958F60CDB8BEDsakiuclaedu@169.232.47.140...
I've been looking for any trace of a family called Jatho in the 1860
federal census. They should be living in South Carolina, likely Greenwood,
Abbeville.
G.W. Jatho is the head, married to Eliza. In the 1870 census they're 47
and
39 years old, respectively, and have seven children all born in SC. The
three oldest Philip, Pauline and George, should be around for the 1860
census but I can't find the family even outside of SC.
Was there anything unusual about this pre-Civil War period in terms of
census taking in the southern states? Or did my family just not get
recorded?
----
saki@ucla.edu
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Sharon
Re: South Carolina 1860 census
Once again, not a census, but maybe your Philip?
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/sc ... rier-j.txt
JATHO Phillip H. D: Oct 1885 age 33
Sharon
"saki" <saki@ucla.edu> wrote in message
news:Xns958F60CDB8BEDsakiuclaedu@169.232.47.140...
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/sc ... rier-j.txt
JATHO Phillip H. D: Oct 1885 age 33
Sharon
"saki" <saki@ucla.edu> wrote in message
news:Xns958F60CDB8BEDsakiuclaedu@169.232.47.140...
I've been looking for any trace of a family called Jatho in the 1860
federal census. They should be living in South Carolina, likely Greenwood,
Abbeville.
G.W. Jatho is the head, married to Eliza. In the 1870 census they're 47
and
39 years old, respectively, and have seven children all born in SC. The
three oldest Philip, Pauline and George, should be around for the 1860
census but I can't find the family even outside of SC.
Was there anything unusual about this pre-Civil War period in terms of
census taking in the southern states? Or did my family just not get
recorded?
----
saki@ucla.edu
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saki
Re: South Carolina 1860 census
"Alan Jones" <alanjones10@cox.net> wrote in
news:blZfd.79392$hj.26733@fed1read07:
I don't believe that's them. The age range is wrong. My G.W. Jatho would
have been 37 in 1860 and Eliza 29. Also, none of the children born in the
1850s (Philip, Pauline, George) show up in this record. All the kids were
born in South Carolina.
Thanks for your help. I'll have to dig deeper, I guess.
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saki@ucla.edu
news:blZfd.79392$hj.26733@fed1read07:
Could it be W. Jatho & wife Eliza in the 1860 census
Birthplace: Germany
Home in 1860: Philadelphia Ward 12 Division 1, Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania Post Office: Philadelphia
Roll: M653_1162
Page: 16
Year: 1860
She was 26 and he was 29.
I don't believe that's them. The age range is wrong. My G.W. Jatho would
have been 37 in 1860 and Eliza 29. Also, none of the children born in the
1850s (Philip, Pauline, George) show up in this record. All the kids were
born in South Carolina.
Thanks for your help. I'll have to dig deeper, I guess.
----
saki@ucla.edu
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singhals
Re: South Carolina 1860 census
saki wrote:
Lot of people deliberately avoided the enumerator, figuring it was none
of the guvvmint's bidnuss how old they were or how many kids they had.
Then too if you weren't home when the enumerator came, you got missed
(conversely, if he called on Saturday while you were visiting your
brother, and on Monday when you back home, you could get counted twice).
How many different spellings have you used for Jatho? In digital
searching, you have to get very creative. J*th? where * may be a e o or
u, and ? might be o, a, u, n, and may be followed by an h or a w or an
e. Whatever you think the image clearly says, some transcriber may have
seen something different, or made a typo. THEN you can try to deal with
the notion that the way you think it's spelt isn't the way the
enumerator thought it was spelt. (g)
Cheryl
I've been looking for any trace of a family called Jatho in the 1860
federal census. They should be living in South Carolina, likely Greenwood,
Abbeville.
G.W. Jatho is the head, married to Eliza. In the 1870 census they're 47 and
39 years old, respectively, and have seven children all born in SC. The
three oldest Philip, Pauline and George, should be around for the 1860
census but I can't find the family even outside of SC.
Was there anything unusual about this pre-Civil War period in terms of
census taking in the southern states? Or did my family just not get
recorded?
----
saki@ucla.edu
Lot of people deliberately avoided the enumerator, figuring it was none
of the guvvmint's bidnuss how old they were or how many kids they had.
Then too if you weren't home when the enumerator came, you got missed
(conversely, if he called on Saturday while you were visiting your
brother, and on Monday when you back home, you could get counted twice).
How many different spellings have you used for Jatho? In digital
searching, you have to get very creative. J*th? where * may be a e o or
u, and ? might be o, a, u, n, and may be followed by an h or a w or an
e. Whatever you think the image clearly says, some transcriber may have
seen something different, or made a typo. THEN you can try to deal with
the notion that the way you think it's spelt isn't the way the
enumerator thought it was spelt. (g)
Cheryl
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singhals
Re: South Carolina 1860 census
saki wrote:
When I looked at the 1870, I could get Jatto, Jatro, Jatho, Jatfo etc.
(g) OTOH, the o ending is unusual for a German surname; I don't speak
enough German to know what the Germanic equiv might be, though. I also
tried Yathro and got nada. Didn't try Jaffa which might be spelt with
an o in Southern.
I noted that GW was a jeweler. Being Southern, (g) I *do* feel that he
wasn't in Carolina in 1860. Anyone who had the money to be a Jeweler in
1870 spent it all by 1866. And anyone after 1866 who had the money to
set up as a jeweler, was from out-of-state.
I also noted the amazing coincidence of the birthplaces of all under-age
persons on the page. I'd want to study on that a while before I nailed
my feet to that particular floor.
This sure beats looking for my Mary Elizabeth. (g)
Cheryl
singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote in
news:MICdnQfdcflr0RzcRVn-pA@rcn.net:
Lot of people deliberately avoided the enumerator, figuring it was
none of the guvvmint's bidnuss how old they were or how many kids they
had.
Then too if you weren't home when the enumerator came, you got missed
(conversely, if he called on Saturday while you were visiting your
brother, and on Monday when you back home, you could get counted
twice).
Could be what happened, I guess. Eliza Jatho, my great-great-grandmother,
indicated she emigrated in 1840. But none of my Jathos turn up in 1850 or
1860 so far as I can see. By 1870 the whole family is present in
Greenwood SC, with a move to Charleston in 1880.
How many different spellings have you used for Jatho? In digital
searching, you have to get very creative. J*th? where * may be a e o
or u, and ? might be o, a, u, n, and may be followed by an h or a w or
an e. Whatever you think the image clearly says, some transcriber may
have seen something different, or made a typo. THEN you can try to
deal with the notion that the way you think it's spelt isn't the way
the enumerator thought it was spelt. (g)
Very sensible. In the 1880 census the family is indexed as Jathro,
although the handwritten record clearly says Jatho. I've tried a number
of variants (Jethro, Jathe, etc.) and used Soundex, but to no avail.
William Jatho (not the one from Ohio) is the one I'm most interested in
tracing. He's my great-grandfather, born in 1857 in SC. He's in the 1880
census and in a Charleston directory for 1890 but doesn't appear in the
1900 census (nor can I find his wife Jennie and children Louis, Ethel,
George or Marie).
Jennie shows up as Jannie Jatho in the 1910 census, a widow, with the
children. But her husband William is elusive from 1890 - 1910.
Thanks for the helpful comments!
----
saki@ucla.edu
When I looked at the 1870, I could get Jatto, Jatro, Jatho, Jatfo etc.
(g) OTOH, the o ending is unusual for a German surname; I don't speak
enough German to know what the Germanic equiv might be, though. I also
tried Yathro and got nada. Didn't try Jaffa which might be spelt with
an o in Southern.
I noted that GW was a jeweler. Being Southern, (g) I *do* feel that he
wasn't in Carolina in 1860. Anyone who had the money to be a Jeweler in
1870 spent it all by 1866. And anyone after 1866 who had the money to
set up as a jeweler, was from out-of-state.
I also noted the amazing coincidence of the birthplaces of all under-age
persons on the page. I'd want to study on that a while before I nailed
my feet to that particular floor.
This sure beats looking for my Mary Elizabeth. (g)
Cheryl
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saki
Re: South Carolina 1860 census
singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote in
news:MICdnQfdcflr0RzcRVn-pA@rcn.net:
Could be what happened, I guess. Eliza Jatho, my great-great-grandmother,
indicated she emigrated in 1840. But none of my Jathos turn up in 1850 or
1860 so far as I can see. By 1870 the whole family is present in
Greenwood SC, with a move to Charleston in 1880.
Very sensible. In the 1880 census the family is indexed as Jathro,
although the handwritten record clearly says Jatho. I've tried a number
of variants (Jethro, Jathe, etc.) and used Soundex, but to no avail.
William Jatho (not the one from Ohio) is the one I'm most interested in
tracing. He's my great-grandfather, born in 1857 in SC. He's in the 1880
census and in a Charleston directory for 1890 but doesn't appear in the
1900 census (nor can I find his wife Jennie and children Louis, Ethel,
George or Marie).
Jennie shows up as Jannie Jatho in the 1910 census, a widow, with the
children. But her husband William is elusive from 1890 - 1910.
Thanks for the helpful comments!
----
saki@ucla.edu
news:MICdnQfdcflr0RzcRVn-pA@rcn.net:
Lot of people deliberately avoided the enumerator, figuring it was
none of the guvvmint's bidnuss how old they were or how many kids they
had.
Then too if you weren't home when the enumerator came, you got missed
(conversely, if he called on Saturday while you were visiting your
brother, and on Monday when you back home, you could get counted
twice).
Could be what happened, I guess. Eliza Jatho, my great-great-grandmother,
indicated she emigrated in 1840. But none of my Jathos turn up in 1850 or
1860 so far as I can see. By 1870 the whole family is present in
Greenwood SC, with a move to Charleston in 1880.
How many different spellings have you used for Jatho? In digital
searching, you have to get very creative. J*th? where * may be a e o
or u, and ? might be o, a, u, n, and may be followed by an h or a w or
an e. Whatever you think the image clearly says, some transcriber may
have seen something different, or made a typo. THEN you can try to
deal with the notion that the way you think it's spelt isn't the way
the enumerator thought it was spelt. (g)
Very sensible. In the 1880 census the family is indexed as Jathro,
although the handwritten record clearly says Jatho. I've tried a number
of variants (Jethro, Jathe, etc.) and used Soundex, but to no avail.
William Jatho (not the one from Ohio) is the one I'm most interested in
tracing. He's my great-grandfather, born in 1857 in SC. He's in the 1880
census and in a Charleston directory for 1890 but doesn't appear in the
1900 census (nor can I find his wife Jennie and children Louis, Ethel,
George or Marie).
Jennie shows up as Jannie Jatho in the 1910 census, a widow, with the
children. But her husband William is elusive from 1890 - 1910.
Thanks for the helpful comments!
----
saki@ucla.edu
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singhals
Re: South Carolina 1860 census
singhals wrote:
QUOTE:
in 1870 spent it all by 1866. >
Gee, Cheryl, get it right. That last bit should read ... Anyone who had
the money to be a jeweler in 1860 spent it all by 1866.
Sorry.
saki wrote:
singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote in
news:MICdnQfdcflr0RzcRVn-pA@rcn.net:
Lot of people deliberately avoided the enumerator, figuring it was
none of the guvvmint's bidnuss how old they were or how many kids they
had.
Then too if you weren't home when the enumerator came, you got missed
(conversely, if he called on Saturday while you were visiting your
brother, and on Monday when you back home, you could get counted
twice).
Could be what happened, I guess. Eliza Jatho, my
great-great-grandmother, indicated she emigrated in 1840. But none of
my Jathos turn up in 1850 or 1860 so far as I can see. By 1870 the
whole family is present in Greenwood SC, with a move to Charleston in
1880.
How many different spellings have you used for Jatho? In digital
searching, you have to get very creative. J*th? where * may be a e o
or u, and ? might be o, a, u, n, and may be followed by an h or a w or
an e. Whatever you think the image clearly says, some transcriber may
have seen something different, or made a typo. THEN you can try to
deal with the notion that the way you think it's spelt isn't the way
the enumerator thought it was spelt. (g)
Very sensible. In the 1880 census the family is indexed as Jathro,
although the handwritten record clearly says Jatho. I've tried a
number of variants (Jethro, Jathe, etc.) and used Soundex, but to no
avail.
William Jatho (not the one from Ohio) is the one I'm most interested
in tracing. He's my great-grandfather, born in 1857 in SC. He's in the
1880 census and in a Charleston directory for 1890 but doesn't appear
in the 1900 census (nor can I find his wife Jennie and children Louis,
Ethel, George or Marie).
Jennie shows up as Jannie Jatho in the 1910 census, a widow, with the
children. But her husband William is elusive from 1890 - 1910.
Thanks for the helpful comments!
----
saki@ucla.edu
When I looked at the 1870, I could get Jatto, Jatro, Jatho, Jatfo etc.
(g) OTOH, the o ending is unusual for a German surname; I don't speak
enough German to know what the Germanic equiv might be, though. I also
tried Yathro and got nada. Didn't try Jaffa which might be spelt with
an o in Southern.
I noted that GW was a jeweler. Being Southern, (g) I *do* feel that he
wasn't in Carolina in 1860. Anyone who had the money to be a Jeweler in
1870 spent it all by 1866. And anyone after 1866 who had the money to
set up as a jeweler, was from out-of-state.
I also noted the amazing coincidence of the birthplaces of all under-age
persons on the page. I'd want to study on that a while before I nailed
my feet to that particular floor.
This sure beats looking for my Mary Elizabeth. (g)
Cheryl
QUOTE:
I noted that GW was a jeweler. Being Southern, (g) I *do* feel that
he wasn't in Carolina in 1860. Anyone who had the money to be a Jeweler
in 1870 spent it all by 1866. >
Gee, Cheryl, get it right. That last bit should read ... Anyone who had
the money to be a jeweler in 1860 spent it all by 1866.
Sorry.
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saki
Re: South Carolina 1860 census
"Sharon" <sharon@wjcshul.org> wrote in message news:<iR5gd.181647$4h7.34452451@twister.nyc.rr.com>...
Sharon, thanks! This is probably my Philip, and it explains why he
doesn't show up after the 1880 census.
I appreciate this link. I wonder whether he left a family....
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saki@ucla.edu
Once again, not a census, but maybe your Philip?
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/sc ... rier-j.txt
JATHO Phillip H. D: Oct 1885 age 33
Sharon, thanks! This is probably my Philip, and it explains why he
doesn't show up after the 1880 census.
I appreciate this link. I wonder whether he left a family....
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saki@ucla.edu
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saki
Re: South Carolina 1860 census
"Sharon" <sharon@wjcshul.org> wrote in message news:<yO5gd.181645$4h7.34452162@twister.nyc.rr.com>...
Yes indeed. This would be my great-grandfather's brother George (son
of G.W. and Eliza Jatho). The Mrs. Jatho referred to is Arnolda (nee
Van Oven), and the child is probably their firstborn daughter Georgia.
This is one of the few SC Jathos who stayed in Charleston through at
least 1930.
Very helpful, thanks for the link.
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saki@ucla.edu
Not the census, but I found mention of a George Jatho on this page:
http://theoldentimes.com/moultrie08081883sc.html
not much I know, but maybe helpful???
Yes indeed. This would be my great-grandfather's brother George (son
of G.W. and Eliza Jatho). The Mrs. Jatho referred to is Arnolda (nee
Van Oven), and the child is probably their firstborn daughter Georgia.
This is one of the few SC Jathos who stayed in Charleston through at
least 1930.
Very helpful, thanks for the link.
----
saki@ucla.edu
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saki
Re: South Carolina 1860 census: Jatho
singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote in
news:IfKdnc4pgaljChzcRVn-gA@rcn.net:
I've seen Jatho surnames in Germany, Denmark, Finland; unusual, I'd
guess, but perhaps a newer spelling of an older form. Maybe Jäde?
This is a worthwhile point. There are two other Jathos around this time
who are watchmakers---Henry in Baltimore and William in Defiance, Ohio;
both state that they were from Hannover. Maybe my G.W. was related to
them (though his census entries don't specify where he lived in
Germany---and I have no information on when he emigrated).
G.W.'s widow Eliza (as Else) is still alive in 1900 and living with her
son George W. Jatho in Charleston. She was only twelve when she emigrated
in 1840 so she would have married the elder G.W. in the U.S. But what
state, I wonder, if he wasn't in SC?
None of the children seem to have gone into the jewelry trade, so perhaps
G.W. suffered some kind of financial reversal related to the war. G.W. is
dead by 1880 and in the 1880 and 1900 census records the male kids are
clerks, brokers, commercial travelers.
Perhaps the reason I can't find g-grandfather William is that he was on
the road too. And all the living boys, except for George W. Jatho, seemed
to move on to other states eventually (Georgia, Florida, Illinois).
Between 1910, when William's wife Jennie is widowed, and 1913, the family
moved to Chicago. This may have been financially motivated as well. But
it provided the opportunity for Jennie's daughter Marie (my grandmother)
to meet and marry my grandfather in 1913.
If you come up with any revelations, I'd be pleased to hear about it.
I've felt that way about searching for these Jathos too. I thought this
would be the easy side if the family.
----
saki@ucla.edu
news:IfKdnc4pgaljChzcRVn-gA@rcn.net:
When I looked at the 1870, I could get Jatto, Jatro, Jatho, Jatfo etc.
(g) OTOH, the o ending is unusual for a German surname; I don't speak
enough German to know what the Germanic equiv might be, though. I
also tried Yathro and got nada. Didn't try Jaffa which might be spelt
with an o in Southern.
I've seen Jatho surnames in Germany, Denmark, Finland; unusual, I'd
guess, but perhaps a newer spelling of an older form. Maybe Jäde?
I noted that GW was a jeweler. Being Southern, (g) I *do* feel that
he wasn't in Carolina in 1860. Anyone who had the money to be a
Jeweler in 1870 spent it all by 1866. And anyone after 1866 who had
the money to set up as a jeweler, was from out-of-state.
This is a worthwhile point. There are two other Jathos around this time
who are watchmakers---Henry in Baltimore and William in Defiance, Ohio;
both state that they were from Hannover. Maybe my G.W. was related to
them (though his census entries don't specify where he lived in
Germany---and I have no information on when he emigrated).
G.W.'s widow Eliza (as Else) is still alive in 1900 and living with her
son George W. Jatho in Charleston. She was only twelve when she emigrated
in 1840 so she would have married the elder G.W. in the U.S. But what
state, I wonder, if he wasn't in SC?
None of the children seem to have gone into the jewelry trade, so perhaps
G.W. suffered some kind of financial reversal related to the war. G.W. is
dead by 1880 and in the 1880 and 1900 census records the male kids are
clerks, brokers, commercial travelers.
Perhaps the reason I can't find g-grandfather William is that he was on
the road too. And all the living boys, except for George W. Jatho, seemed
to move on to other states eventually (Georgia, Florida, Illinois).
Between 1910, when William's wife Jennie is widowed, and 1913, the family
moved to Chicago. This may have been financially motivated as well. But
it provided the opportunity for Jennie's daughter Marie (my grandmother)
to meet and marry my grandfather in 1913.
I also noted the amazing coincidence of the birthplaces of all
under-age persons on the page. I'd want to study on that a while
before I nailed my feet to that particular floor.
If you come up with any revelations, I'd be pleased to hear about it.
This sure beats looking for my Mary Elizabeth. (g)
I've felt that way about searching for these Jathos too. I thought this
would be the easy side if the family.
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saki@ucla.edu
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saki
Re: South Carolina 1860 census
singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message news:<rZydnauJWo0O3x_cRVn-hQ@rcn.net>...
No problem! I knew what you meant. And it was a very helpful comment.
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saki@ucla.edu
QUOTE:
I noted that GW was a jeweler. Being Southern, (g) I *do* feel that
he wasn't in Carolina in 1860. Anyone who had the money to be a Jeweler
in 1870 spent it all by 1866.
Gee, Cheryl, get it right. That last bit should read ... Anyone who had
the money to be a jeweler in 1860 spent it all by 1866.
Sorry.
No problem! I knew what you meant. And it was a very helpful comment.
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saki@ucla.edu
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Annasplace
Re: South Carolina 1860 census
Those darn relatives keep moving around ! I have one that I can't find in the
1850 census in TN. He was there before and he was there afterwards, and in 1850
his kids and father are all scattered around living with relatives other than
him. Where did he go during that time???? Just a mystery, and unless I
accidentally stumble across him in another county or state, I guess I will
never know. <g>
Anna
1850 census in TN. He was there before and he was there afterwards, and in 1850
his kids and father are all scattered around living with relatives other than
him. Where did he go during that time???? Just a mystery, and unless I
accidentally stumble across him in another county or state, I guess I will
never know. <g>
Anna
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Doug Corbin
Re: South Carolina 1860 census
Maybe he was a 49er and went to California for the gold rush.
Doug
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Doug
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Those darn relatives keep moving around ! I have one that I can't find in
the
1850 census in TN. He was there before and he was there afterwards, and in
1850
his kids and father are all scattered around living with relatives other
than
him. Where did he go during that time???? Just a mystery, and unless I
accidentally stumble across him in another county or state, I guess I will
never know. <g
Anna