Petersens in passenger list 1878

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Petersens in passenger list 1878

Legg inn av saki » 20 okt 2004 22:59:48

Last weekend I located my great-grandmother and her family's names on
Hamburg indirect passenger lists and also in films of NY arrivals in
1878. I hate to assume so perhaps someone knows: is the bracket used to
indicate grouped family members?

http://www.dumes.net/d/10_18_2004_img4.jpg

If so it would seem to indicate that Peter Erdlef Petersen, also from
Leck, was not a family member. Is it safe to suggest this?

It was interesting to compare the slight variation in names between
Hamburg and New York---Ludwig in the Hamburg list inexplicably became
"Ludorinetti" in the New York arrivals list, which I can't explain at
all, and the twin boys Ludwig and Andreas, listed as ten years old in the
Hamburg departure, are listed as aged 9 in New York.

Until I saw these records I had no confirmation that Catharina had
brothers. I know the family was travelling to Nebraska for her wedding
two weeks later to Hans Petersen (not, I think, a relative), who had
emigrated six years earlier with his family.

Second question: I'm unable to find reasonable traces of Peter Hansen
Petersen, his wife Elise (listed as "Elsie" in the NY arrival), brothers
Peter, Ludwig (later Louis) and Andreas in the 1880 U.S. census.
Catharina married Hans and they appear in Nebraska census records for
1880 and 1885, then show up in 1900 in Chicago, where they remained.

I have a photo from a relative of Louis in Omaha in 1890, so at least he
was alive at that point. But I can't find Peter H. Petersen (born 1821)
and Elise (1823), nor Peter (1861) or twins Louis and Andreas (1868) in
any U.S. federal census afterward. Can anyone else locate likely
candidates? I'd be grateful for any help.

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Hugh Watkins

Re: Petersens in passenger list 1878

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 21 okt 2004 00:18:21

"saki" <saki@ucla.edu> wrote in message
news:Xns95887A192818Bsakiuclaedu@169.232.47.140...
Last weekend I located my great-grandmother and her family's names on
Hamburg indirect passenger lists and also in films of NY arrivals in
1878. I hate to assume so perhaps someone knows: is the bracket used to
indicate grouped family members?

sure looks like it
There are surprising gaps in the list of children

so check for infant mortality in the church books
or for children staying home with relatives

http://www.dumes.net/d/10_18_2004_img4.jpg

If so it would seem to indicate that Peter Erdlef Petersen, also from
Leck, was not a family member. Is it safe to suggest this?

no - no evidence either way


It was interesting to compare the slight variation in names between
Hamburg and New York---Ludwig in the Hamburg list inexplicably became
"Ludorinetti" in the New York arrivals list, which I can't explain at
all,

linguistic incompetence in NY as usual

and the twin boys Ludwig and Andreas, listed as ten years old in the
Hamburg departure, are listed as aged 9 in New York.

Until I saw these records I had no confirmation that Catharina had
brothers. I know the family was travelling to Nebraska for her wedding
two weeks later to Hans Petersen (not, I think, a relative), who had
emigrated six years earlier with his family.

never say "I think" - or you will build your own brickwalls

patronymics need very very careful handling in order
to avoid errors - occupations are often a big help

Hugh W

saki

Re: Petersens in passenger list 1878

Legg inn av saki » 21 okt 2004 02:47:41

"Hugh Watkins" <hugh_watkins@msn.com> wrote in news:2to6hcF225crsU1@uni-
berlin.de:

"saki" <saki@ucla.edu> wrote in message
news:Xns95887A192818Bsakiuclaedu@169.232.47.140...
Last weekend I located my great-grandmother and her family's names on
Hamburg indirect passenger lists and also in films of NY arrivals in
1878. I hate to assume so perhaps someone knows: is the bracket used to
indicate grouped family members?

sure looks like it
There are surprising gaps in the list of children

so check for infant mortality in the church books
or for children staying home with relatives

I'll do that, thanks for the suggestion. I hadn't considered that this
might be a possibility.

http://www.dumes.net/d/10_18_2004_img4.jpg

If so it would seem to indicate that Peter Erdlef Petersen, also from
Leck, was not a family member. Is it safe to suggest this?

no - no evidence either way

I'll look into it further then. I noticed that while Peter Erdlef Petersen
boarded with the family in Hamburg, the New York arrivals list does not
mention him. Perhaps he disembarked in Liverpool on the first leg of the
journey?

Until I saw these records I had no confirmation that Catharina had
brothers. I know the family was travelling to Nebraska for her wedding
two weeks later to Hans Petersen (not, I think, a relative), who had
emigrated six years earlier with his family.

never say "I think" - or you will build your own brickwalls

I appreciate the warning. Could marriages be arranged between cousins in
Schleswig-Holstein or the US at that time?

patronymics need very very careful handling in order
to avoid errors - occupations are often a big help

There was no column in the 1872 Hamburg list (the year Hans and family
emigrated) for occupation, but in the 1880 US census both Hans and his
father are listed as farmers in Belle Prairie, Fillmore County, Nebraska.
Peter H. Petersen is listed as a landmann---farmer---in this record.

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