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Motes

Legg inn av michael kenefick » 17 sep 2004 13:06:03

Hello All,

If you had to make an educated guess as to the origin of the surname Moats
(Motz, Motes, Moates, .....), what country(s) might it be associated with? Mike

MisNomer

Re: Motes

Legg inn av MisNomer » 17 sep 2004 13:37:22

The name conjures up images of knights and castles in my mind, don't know how
educated it is, so England.

In my dictionary it has several archaic meanings, from the old english word
mot, meaning a speck of dust or a small thing. But, other words similarily
spelled are from the French, (mot) and Latin (muttum).

take care
Liz




On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:06:03 -0400, michael kenefick <kenefick@copper.net>
wrote:

Hello All,

If you had to make an educated guess as to the origin of the surname Moats
(Motz, Motes, Moates, .....), what country(s) might it be associated with? Mike

Pat

Re: Motes

Legg inn av Pat » 17 sep 2004 13:44:42

"michael kenefick" <kenefick@copper.net> wrote in message
news:414AC51B.4770764@copper.net...
Hello All,

If you had to make an educated guess as to the origin of the surname Moats
(Motz, Motes, Moates, .....), what country(s) might it be associated with?
Mike


Not *my* educated guess but taken from the Oxford Dictionary of English
Surnames, Reaney & Wilson...
Only mentioned in the singular - Mote, Moat, Moatt: William de la Mote 1305.
Means Dweller at the Castle. Middle English, Old French mote.

Pat

Gordon

Re: Motes

Legg inn av Gordon » 17 sep 2004 14:53:34

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:06:03 -0400, michael kenefick
<kenefick@copper.net> wrote:

Hello All,

If you had to make an educated guess as to the origin of the surname Moats
(Motz, Motes, Moates, .....), what country(s) might it be associated with? Mike

Sometime around 1920, give or take a few years, a fellow the

family called "Grandpa Moates" lived with my grandparents. This
was when my dad was a young boy, and all I've heard on this came
from his reminiscences.

"Grandpa Moates" was not a relative of the family. He was a Civil
War veteran in his declining years and seemingly had no family
ties. He came to live in my grandparents old house after they had
built a new house in 1917. He paid room and board from his Civil
War pension and took his meals with my grandparents' family.

This was near the little town of Harmon, in NW Oklahoma. I would
be interested in learning about this old fellow. He was a very
interesting character, from my dad's perspective. I don't know
where he went after he left the Harmon area. He didn't die there.
At least he isn't buried in the Harmon cemetery.

singhals

Re: Motes

Legg inn av singhals » 17 sep 2004 15:12:40

Gordon wrote:
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:06:03 -0400, michael kenefick
kenefick@copper.net> wrote:


Hello All,

If you had to make an educated guess as to the origin of the surname Moats
(Motz, Motes, Moates, .....), what country(s) might it be associated with? Mike


Sometime around 1920, give or take a few years, a fellow the
family called "Grandpa Moates" lived with my grandparents. This
was when my dad was a young boy, and all I've heard on this came
from his reminiscences.

"Grandpa Moates" was not a relative of the family. He was a Civil
War veteran in his declining years and seemingly had no family
ties. He came to live in my grandparents old house after they had
built a new house in 1917. He paid room and board from his Civil
War pension and took his meals with my grandparents' family.

This was near the little town of Harmon, in NW Oklahoma. I would
be interested in learning about this old fellow. He was a very
interesting character, from my dad's perspective. I don't know
where he went after he left the Harmon area. He didn't die there.
At least he isn't buried in the Harmon cemetery.


There is extensive work done, and great deal of it on the web, on the
MOAT* family. The name is rampant in the SC/GA border region, and known
in Virginia. I don't suppose you have his first name?

Cheryl

singhals

Re: Motes (more)

Legg inn av singhals » 17 sep 2004 15:57:15

Gordon wrote:

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:06:03 -0400, michael kenefick
kenefick@copper.net> wrote:


Hello All,

If you had to make an educated guess as to the origin of the surname Moats
(Motz, Motes, Moates, .....), what country(s) might it be associated with? Mike


Sometime around 1920, give or take a few years, a fellow the
family called "Grandpa Moates" lived with my grandparents. This
was when my dad was a young boy, and all I've heard on this came
from his reminiscences.

"Grandpa Moates" was not a relative of the family. He was a Civil
War veteran in his declining years and seemingly had no family
ties. He came to live in my grandparents old house after they had
built a new house in 1917. He paid room and board from his Civil
War pension and took his meals with my grandparents' family.

This was near the little town of Harmon, in NW Oklahoma. I would
be interested in learning about this old fellow. He was a very
interesting character, from my dad's perspective. I don't know
where he went after he left the Harmon area. He didn't die there.
At least he isn't buried in the Harmon cemetery.


According to the US Geographical Names Information Server (GNIS), Harmon
is in Ellis County.

HeritageQuest (HQ) on-line census index shows no Moates/Moats/Motes/Motz
in Ellis county in 1920.

Cheryl

Tara

Re: Motes

Legg inn av Tara » 17 sep 2004 15:59:48

He is a widower, living with his widowed sister, Nancy Davis, in 1910. Maybe
from there, you can find out more.

Moats, Henry
Age: 75
Gender: M
Race: W
Birthplace: OH
State: Oklahoma
County: ELLIS
Locale: JEFFERSON TWP
Series: T624
Roll: 1251
Part: 1
Page: 73A

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Tara Larkin
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"Gordon" <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:06:03 -0400, michael kenefick
kenefick@copper.net> wrote:

Hello All,

If you had to make an educated guess as to the origin of the surname Moats
(Motz, Motes, Moates, .....), what country(s) might it be associated with?
Mike

Sometime around 1920, give or take a few years, a fellow the
family called "Grandpa Moates" lived with my grandparents. This
was when my dad was a young boy, and all I've heard on this came
from his reminiscences.

"Grandpa Moates" was not a relative of the family. He was a Civil
War veteran in his declining years and seemingly had no family
ties. He came to live in my grandparents old house after they had
built a new house in 1917. He paid room and board from his Civil
War pension and took his meals with my grandparents' family.

This was near the little town of Harmon, in NW Oklahoma. I would
be interested in learning about this old fellow. He was a very
interesting character, from my dad's perspective. I don't know
where he went after he left the Harmon area. He didn't die there.
At least he isn't buried in the Harmon cemetery.

James Dempster

Re: Motes

Legg inn av James Dempster » 17 sep 2004 16:36:46

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:12:40 -0400, singhals <singhals@erols.com>
wrote:

Two Scottish possibilities.

Black lists Moat as a surname of local origin in Dumfriesshire,
probably after one of two places, Moat near Auldgirth and Moat near
Lochfoot.

I also think that it could be an alternative spelling of Mowat. Whilst
it is now often pronounced with the Mow like mouth, the branches in
Caithness and Orkney have a pronounciation (Black describes it as
"Mode") which is pretty close to Moat.

James
James Dempster (remove nospam to reply by email)

You know you've had a good night
when you wake up
and someone's outlining you in chalk.

singhals

Re: Motes

Legg inn av singhals » 17 sep 2004 17:49:58

Tara wrote:
He is a widower, living with his widowed sister, Nancy Davis, in 1910. Maybe
from there, you can find out more.

Moats, Henry
Age: 75
Gender: M
Race: W
Birthplace: OH
State: Oklahoma
County: ELLIS
Locale: JEFFERSON TWP
Series: T624
Roll: 1251
Part: 1
Page: 73A



Ah -HA! 1920, Jefferson twp, Montgomery co, Ohio -- Central Branch
National Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers shows an 85-yo William H.
Moats, widowed, born Ohio.
Only 81-90 yo b OH spelt Moats/Moates/Motes/Motz in index.

CWSSS shows a William H 186th Ohio INF and a William H 138th, Illinois
INF (100 days). No Henry.

There is a Henry in the 1st FL CAV, and several Williams in various
other Confederate units.

Cheryl

Henning Boettcher

Re: Motes

Legg inn av Henning Boettcher » 17 sep 2004 18:04:33

"michael kenefick" <kenefick@copper.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:414AC51B.4770764@copper.net...
Hello All,

If you had to make an educated guess as to the origin of the
surname Moats
(Motz, Motes, Moates, .....), what country(s) might it be
associated with? Mike


In 2001 there were
1180 Motz
17 Moz
7 Moez, Möz
65 Mos
7 Mosz
422 Motsch
48 Olemotz (origin from Olmütz/Olomouc in Czechia?)
12 Olmützer (origin from Olmütz/Olomouc in Czechia?)
and so on
in the German phone directory.

--
Kind regards
Henning Boettcher
http://homepage.sunrise.ch/homepage/boettche/
(universally applicable hints/German language only/ last review: May
2004)

Doug Corbin

Re: Motes

Legg inn av Doug Corbin » 17 sep 2004 18:14:41

He's still with his sister in 1920:

MOOTSE H H
85
M
W
OH
OK ELLIS JEFFERSON 1920

Doug

"Tara" <NOtnlarkinSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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He is a widower, living with his widowed sister, Nancy Davis, in 1910.
Maybe
from there, you can find out more.

Moats, Henry
Age: 75
Gender: M
Race: W
Birthplace: OH
State: Oklahoma
County: ELLIS
Locale: JEFFERSON TWP
Series: T624
Roll: 1251
Part: 1
Page: 73A

--
Tara Larkin
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"Gordon" <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:06:03 -0400, michael kenefick
kenefick@copper.net> wrote:

Hello All,

If you had to make an educated guess as to the origin of the surname
Moats
(Motz, Motes, Moates, .....), what country(s) might it be associated
with?
Mike

Sometime around 1920, give or take a few years, a fellow the
family called "Grandpa Moates" lived with my grandparents. This
was when my dad was a young boy, and all I've heard on this came
from his reminiscences.

"Grandpa Moates" was not a relative of the family. He was a Civil
War veteran in his declining years and seemingly had no family
ties. He came to live in my grandparents old house after they had
built a new house in 1917. He paid room and board from his Civil
War pension and took his meals with my grandparents' family.

This was near the little town of Harmon, in NW Oklahoma. I would
be interested in learning about this old fellow. He was a very
interesting character, from my dad's perspective. I don't know
where he went after he left the Harmon area. He didn't die there.
At least he isn't buried in the Harmon cemetery.


CWatters

Re: Motes

Legg inn av CWatters » 17 sep 2004 20:06:52

"michael kenefick" <kenefick@copper.net> wrote in message
news:414AC51B.4770764@copper.net...
Hello All,

If you had to make an educated guess as to the origin of the surname Moats
(Motz, Motes, Moates, .....), what country(s) might it be associated with?
Mike


Only 5 Motes births listed at freeBMD (UK 1837-190x). All seem to in the
east of England. Norfolk, Sufolk and Essex

Was surprised to NO MOTES in the 1881 but about 196 MOTE and many hundreds
of MOTT/MOTTS)

12 MOTES in the 1901 most of which seem to be from one family in Birmingham

michael kenefick

Re: Motes

Legg inn av michael kenefick » 18 sep 2004 01:18:31

Hello All,

Thanks for this tip Joan. The ones in the US are probably my relatives.
Especially if they are in Pennsylvania, Virginia / West Virginia. Basically we
had suspected that my Tevalt Moats son of (reported to be ) Henry Moats came from
Germany. But no one has found that connection (yet?).

Sorry, Gordon. I have no Henry's born about 1835 in Ohio on my master
genealogy list. I do have a Henry Moats, Jr. DOB about 1845 most likely in WV. I
do not have any other residence information on him or his wife Alcinda ? DOB about
1852 or his 4 children. But many did find you information that may help you track
this gentleman down.

Once again many have help supply useful information, thank you. Here's a
hearty pat on the back for all of you, pat pat pat.

Mike

Joan Lowrey wrote:

Whenever I want to find the national origins of a name, I start with
http://www.familysearch.org. There are:

386 MOATS in Ancestral File (all appear to be U.S.)
943 MOATS in the 1880 U.S. census (2 born in Baden, 2 in Hessen-Darmstadt,
1 in Germany, 1 in Luxemburg [sic], 4 in England)
9 MOATS in the 1881 British census
72 in the IGI in the British Isles
1 the IGI in France
4 the IGI in Germany (2 Germany, 2 Prussia)
2,221 in the IGI in the U.S.
807 in Pedigree Resource File (all appear to be U.S.)

I didn't try the other name variations.

Joan Neumann Lowrey

"michael kenefick" <kenefick@copper.net> wrote in message
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Hello All,

If you had to make an educated guess as to the origin of the surname Moats
(Motz, Motes, Moates, .....), what country(s) might it be associated with?
Mike

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