Geirmund Skåre - til USA 1906

[gj08206]

Min oldefar Geirmund Olavson (født 1877 i Kvam) fra Hardanger ankom Ellis Island 21.04. 1906, med skipet Caronia. I emigrasjonspapirene på Ellis Island blir kan kalt "Gurmund Skaare" - og det står oppført at han skulle videre til Willmar i Minnsota.

Han kom tilbake til Norge en gang før 1917. Ingen i familien vet nøyaktig når, eller om han virkelig reiste til Willmar - eventuelt hva han gjorde der.

Nå lurer jeg rett og slett på om noen kan fortelle meg om eventuelle kilder som forteller om norske immigranter i Willmar, eller andre kilder der det er mulig navnet til min oldefar kan dukke opp. Hvordan kan jeg f.eks finne ut når han kom tilbake til Norge?

[Anne Lisbeth Stavland]

Hei

Kan det vera han som blir konfirmert her? I tilfelle er mellomnamnet Olson. digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=kf12381880&personpostnr=1023&merk=1023

Mvh
Anne Lisbeth

[Vigdis Jøsang]

Det stemmer at han kom til New York 1906:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Germund Skaare
Arrival Date: 21 Apr 1906
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Scandinavian
Ship Name: Caronia
Search Ship Database: View the Caronia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York


Han skulle til en venn L. O. Farpi (?)

[gj06100]

Hei!
The Ellis Island record is a bit hard to read...
but it looks to me like it says that "Gurmund" (note spelling) Skaare... skulle til Mr. L.O. Torpe in Willmar (Kandiyohi county) Minnesota.
There is also a person listed below Gurmund's name...perhaps Johannes Pederson, also going to Willmar.

I have looked for people with the last name Skaare/Skare in Willmar...I can not seem to find your Gurmund...
I find a few with the last name "Thorpe" (Torpe?)...
and several with the last name Skare, in Willmar.
In the 1900 Willmar census there is a Ander Skare age 72...immigrated 1854
and also a Gunder Skare, age 36 in 1900...(born Dec 1863) in Minnesota.
mvh Patty

[gj08206]

Anne Lisbeth: Det er riktig person du har funnet i konfirmasjonsregisteret

Vigdis: Jeg har også problemer med å lese navnet på personen Geirmund skulle reise til i Minnsota, navnet Farpi sier meg uansett ikke noe. Takk for at du kopierte inn opplysningene fra Ellis Island-papirene

Patty: Geirmund hadde en bror som het Johannes som også reiste til Amerika, det kan være hans navn du har funnet. Det var mange Skare/Skaare/Skåre som utvandret fra Hardanger, så det er ikke så lett å finne riktig person. Hvilke kilder bruer du fra Minnesota?

Takk for hjelpen, det overrasker meg ikke at ingen har funnet mer om Geirmund, jeg regnet med dette vil bli en nøtt å knekke.

[Vigdis Jøsang]

Sikkert et skudd i blinde, men her er det en som heter Germund Olsen som søker "Naturalisation". Men det finnes ikke noen original å se på, så det må eventuelt bestilles


Minnesota Naturalization Records Index, 1854-1957
Name: Germund Olsen
County: Fillmor (Kan det ligne på Willmar?)
Reel: 1
Code: 1
Volume: A
Page: 330

Source Information:

Peterzen, Conrad, ed.. Minnesota Naturalization Records Index, 1854-1957 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 1999.

Description:
An index to the microfilmed Minnesota Naturalization Records

About Minnesota Naturalization Records Index, 1854-1957
An index to the microfilmed Minnesota Naturalization Records

For more information about this database, click here.
Several years ago, the Iron Range Research Center purchased the entire set of microfilmed Minnesota County Naturalization Records (61 counties) from the Minnesota Historical Society. Because the record set was one of the most widely used records in the Iron Range Research Center, it quickly became apparent that the indexes to the records were incomplete and often inaccurate. Conrad Peterzen, a Research Center volunteer, resolved to make a new comprehensive index to the entire set. His index recorded the name of each person requesting citizenship and included the following information: Spouses name, county of residence, microfilm reel reference, print volume, and page number. The index also includes records of people who were denied citizenship and those who never completed the process. The present version of the index contains all of the 61 counties and roughly over 865,000 records.
The fact that spouses are listed in the index can be especially important because before 1922, women became citizens through their husbands and did not have their own papers. This index provides the necessary information for researchers to access the original papers in the microfilm collection. The microfilmed papers contain most of the relevant genealogical information, i.e., dates and places of birth and marriage.

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Please include as much information as possible.

[gj06100]

Hei Anja!
Can you please explain in English...what was your question..."Hvilke kilder...?" I will be the first to admit, my Norwegian is not perfect!
My other problem with the Ellis Island record, were all the lines written through the information about "Gurmund"...was the info on the person "Torpe" for Geirmund/Gurmund or the person listed above him? There was another name which might actually be WHO Geirmund was traveling to in Willmar...but that name had a line through it and I could not read it...

If Johannes was Geirmund's brother, is it possible that Geirmund also used the last name Pederson? What was the year Johannes was born? the one lised at Ellis Island is age 26 in 1906.

mvh Patty

[Vigdis Jøsang]

Patty: I dont think Johannes Pedersen did arrive Amerika because the name is striked out. Also this Johannes is not likely Germund's brother because Germund's patrynom is Olson not Pederson.

Anjas question is what type of sources will be the best ones to search for Geirmund Skaare in America. I use http://www.ancestry.com, but paid membership is needed to have acces to all databases. May be other sources or databases are better to use?

Her next question is if Germund is to be found in any censuses after arriving, or whether he returned to Norway. He might returned some times before 1917, and if so, was that only for visit or did he stay in Norway.

I attached the passenger list from Ellis Island.

Vigdis

[dn19075]

1910 United States Federal Census

Name: Lers O Thorpe
[Lars O Thorpe]
Age in 1910: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Spouse's Name: Martha
Home in 1910: Willmar Ward 1, Kandiyohi, Minnesota
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1863

Household Members: Name Age
Lers O Thorpe 62
Martha Thorpe 58
Edith B Thorpe 24
Jene O Thorpe 20
Berthe H Thorpe 17

Dette er muligens den personen som Geirmund skulle til.

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1900 United States Federal Census

Name: Lars O Thorp
Home in 1900: Willmar, Kandiyohi, Minnesota
Age: 52
Birth Date: Dec 1847
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1864
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Spouse's Name: Marsha E
Marriage Year: 1870
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 30
Residence : Willmar Village, Kandiyohi, Minnesota

Household Members: Name Age
Lars O Thorp 52
Marsha E Thorp 49
Edwin L Thorp 20
Christian S Thorp 17
Edith B Thorp 14
Jane O Thorp 9
Bertha H Thorp 6
Ole Boturn 23

[Vigdis Jøsang]

Patty, you're may be right about the name "Torpe". The first letter looked like an F, and the second like an a, but it could rather be T and o, hence Torpe.

I had the same problem as you to follow the lines on the passenger list. But the you must follow the weak line and the information both above and below the heavy dotted line belongs to the same person.

For Geirmund Skaare I read the following text:
Friend mr. L. O. Torpe
Willmar Minnesota

For Johannes Pederesen the lines below are striked out.

Vigdis

[gj06100]

Hei Vigdis and alle!
Thank you for the translation, Vigdis...
I don't have Ancestry....but I can use my local American library card to search the census records in Heritage Quest from my home...it is just set up a little differently than Ancestry...but the census records are the same as in Ancestry.
Glad to hear you had the same problems reading the Ellis Island records...BUT we agree about the name Thorpe (Torpe)...and Hanne Line has given his census information on him..
but where is Geirmund!!??
mvh Patty

[Anne Lisbeth Stavland]

Hei

Geirmund returnerte og busatte seg i Norge.
På DIS Gravminner fann eg Gjermund O. Skaare fødd 11/1 1877 død 16/6 1957. Gravlagt ved Øystese gravstad, Kvam. I same grav Kristi fødd 30/3 1885 død 10/11 1978. Det MÅ vel vera same person, fødselsdato er den same som ved konfirmasjon i ein post tidligare.

Mvh
Anne Lisbeth

[Anne Lisbeth Stavland]

Hei

Her er vielsen mellom Geirmund og Kristi. Det ser ut til at dei har gifta seg i Odda 16/12 1917.

KB Øystese/Kvam 1906-1931 side 216 midt på sida. www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=4528&idx_id=4528&uid=ny&idx_side=-206


KB Odda/Odda 1915-1940 side 7 nr 38. www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2193&idx_id=2193&uid=ny&idx_side=-14

Mvh
Anne Lisbeth

[dn19075]

Hvis Geirmund/Gjermund reiste tilbake før 1910, så er det vanskelig å finne spor etter han. Det er ingen oversikt over de som reiste tilbake til Norge.

[gj08206]

I do not, unfortunately, know when Geirmund returned to Norway, only that he got married to Kristi Nilsdatter Klyve in 1917.

Thanks to all of you,for your attempts to help me.

[gj14085]

Jeg har funnet et gammelt postkort der det kommer fra at Geirmund bodde i Bothell, Washington i 1909. Jeg klarer likevel ikke finne navnet hans på anchestry. Kan noen hjelpe?

[dn19075]

Finner ikke noen passende kandidat i Bothell, Washington i 1910 tellingen.

[gj08206]

Takk for forsøket, i all fall