Johan Arnt Olaussen Rønning fra Leksvik til Seattle i 1903

[17887]

Kan noen hjelpe med opplysninger om ham og evt. etterkommere i USA ?

Han får utflytningsattest fra Stranda i Leksvik i 1903:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-129 (nr 6). Han var født 17. mars og døpt 2. juni 1884.

Hans foreldre var Kristine Olsdatter og husmann Olaus Petersen Rønningen.
Johan Arnts konfirmasjon 8. oktober 1899:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-72

Familien i 1900:
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 005&lnr=00

Utreisen fra Trondheim:
http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/we ... 07161#ovre

2 av Johan Arnts søsken druknet i 1911, den andre søsteren døde også ung og etterkommere etter hans gjenlevende bror Peter Rønning undres på om de kan ha slektninger i USA ...

mvh Aud Marion Røen

[gj06100]

Hei Aud Marion!
The 1910 census I found was very hard to read...but I found a John Running age 25, a boarder, working in the fishing industry. Living in Kitsap county/Pearson, WA...immigration year is hard to read...MIGHT be 1903...
In 1920 I find a John Ronning (index says he is 31...looks like 37 in the census)...living in
Wahkiakum county, Puget sound, WA..
immigration year is listed as 1900 (??could that be an error??)...Naturalized in 1913.
Married to Annie, age 21...she immigrated 1911..naturalized in 1912.
2 children...both born in WA...Marit, age 2 years 11 month...son Carl J , age 1+
This John also works in fishing industry (canning company)...
I thought he might be the same John I found in 1910..but I'm not sure...
Ha det!
mvh Patty

[17887]

Hei Patty
Thank you so much for helping !
I have asked my friend if he has more information on his granduncle: letters, pictures etc, but he does not have anything. He can not remember that his father (or other relatives) ever mentioned Johan Arnt, so I was getting to think that he may have died young.

The John Ronning you found in 1910 can be the right one. His age fits and also the year of immigration.

His ticket to USA is prepaid. I`ll try to find a relative that has emigrated ealier and hope this will help us to more information ...

Ha en fin dag.
mvh Aud Marion

[dn19075]

Denne bør sjekkes.

California Death Index, 1940-1997

about John E Running
Name: John E Running
Social Security #: 562181665
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 17 Mar 1884
Birthplace: Other Country
Death Date: 13 May 1951
Death Place: Los Angeles

[dn19075]

1930 United States Federal Census

Name: John Running
Home in 1930: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head-of-house: Head
Spouse's name: Aileen
Race: White

Household Members: Name Age
John Running 45
Aileen Running 35

Denne John imm 1901. Gift da han var 38. Aileen gift (første gang?) da hun var 19.

[17887]

Hei
Hjertlig takk, Hanne Line
Denne har jeg tro på ! Fødselsdato og år stemmer 100 %.
Jeg imponeres stadig over hvordan du finner "de umulige" emigrantene.
Da er det Runnings jeg/vi må lete etter fram i tid.

Beste hilsen Aud Marion

[gj06100]

OK!!!Hei Aud Marion and Hanne Line!
We have some progress...Great Hanne Line!!
now some thoughts...If Aileen was married when she was 19, then John and Aileen should be in the 1920 census as a married couple...Washington? or California...or....

No sign of Aileen Running in SSDI...but I found a few others in California in the ssdi with that last name...wonder if they had children..!
Mvh Patty

[gj06100]

Hmmmm...
Maybe they would not be in the 1920 census together...John's birth year(1884) plus 38=they were married in 1922.

mvh Patty

[gj06100]

Hei IGJEN!
In the SSDI I find the listing of a Carl J. Ronning, b. Sept 24, 1918 d. Oct. 2, 2008 in Freeland WA (Island county...which is near Seattle).
This is probably (?) the son of John Ronning I found in the 1920 census..
mvh Patty

[17887]

Hei
Skipet Salmo som Johan Arnt reiste med fra Trondheim gikk til Hull (funnet på Norway Heritage):

1903 May 13; Capt. Soulsby on route Trondheim Hull. 371 emigrants embarked in Trondheim other cargo; skin and timber. Arrived in Hull Sunday at 16:00 afternoon on May 17.Atlantic Journey ID 4898

Hvordan kan jeg finne ut hvilket skip han dro med videre til USA ?
Jeg har ikke funnet ham på Ellis Island. Hadde håpet å finne skipsmanifestet. ...

mvh Aud Marion

[gj06100]

Hei Aud Marion...
In a bit of a hurry...but please look at Ellis Island records for Johan G. Ronning age 36 in Oct 10, 1902...from "Lenviken(?) Norway...travelling with Olga Marie..age 22...
I know this is not "Johan Roenning...but is he a relative?
mvh Patty

[17887]

Hei, Patty
Not relatives .. here they are; travelling from Oslo:
http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/we ... 38257#ovre

mvh Aud Marion

[17887]

Jeg finner ingen av de som reiste med samme rederi (Allan) som Johan Arnt ankommet Ellis Island. Kan de ha reist til Canada fra Liverpool - og så videre til bestemmelsesstedene ?
Jeg kan for lite om dette - håper noen kan hjelpe meg ?
Har forsøkt å finne flere opplysninger på Norway Heritage og har funnet ut at flere av Allans skip går til Quebec fra Liverpool.

mvh Aud Marion

[17887]

Hei
Tror jeg har funnet riktig skip, men har ikke sett gjennom passasjerlisten ennå ...
Dersom Johan Arnt ikke ble gift, ville jo familien her i Norge arvet ham (erfaring fra egen familie; 2 av min mors onkler døde ugift i Alaska). Vi får lete videre - blir svært takknemlig for enda mer hjelp; heller "ukjent terreng" for meg dette.

mvh Aud Marion

[gj06100]

Hei til Aud Marion og alle!
Can someone with Ancestry see if they can find a Paul and/or John/Johan Ronning/Running in the WW 1 draft registration living in or near Seattle, Washington?
I don't know if he would have been too old (?) to NEED to register for world war one...
Tusen takk!
mvh Patty

[Margit R Bakke]

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: John Running
City: Seattle
County: King
State: Washington
Birth Date: 31 Mar 1884
Race: White
Roll: 1991892
DraftBoard: 5

[17887]

Thank you so much, Margit.
Johan Arnt (John) Rønning was going to Seattle when he emigrated !
His family here in Norway does not know anything about him and his life in the US and I am very, very thankful for the help you give me.

mvh Aud Marion

[gj06100]

Aud Marion, can you read the "town" name of his father (Johan) as listed on the ww 1 draft record..Hasselirken??...is that the right place "your" Johan comes from?
mvh Patty

[17887]

Hei Patty
I didn`t see that !
The "town" name is Hasselviken i Rissa kommune.
I need to have another look at the immigration list, I think !
Johan Arnt`s brother (Peter Rønning) lived in Hasselvik/Rissa - and their parents both died there - but their father`s name was Olaus Rønning ...

mvh Aud Marion

[gj09334]

Hei
(bare noen enkle betraktinger)
Har sett på registreringspapirene. Der står nærmeste pårørende Johan Rønning.
Johan i USA hadde jo en nevø i Hasselvika som het Johan Rønning (han som vokste opp hos sin onkel Peter). Dette med nærmeste pårørende hadde kanskje noe med arv å gjøre. Han skulle da sannsynligvis ut i krigen og Johan i Hasselvika var jo foreldreløs (og oppkalt etter Johan i USA) Det eneste som ikke stemmer er fødselsdato, to uker feil.

Ellers .. kan dette være samme mann som er funnet tidligere, bosatt i California og med riktig fødselsdato ?

Mvh Odd Petter

[17887]

Hei
Fint at du "kom på banen", Odd Petter.
Ja, det er kan godt være forklaringen, men så var det fødselsdatoen da ...
Vi får håpe på mer hjelp fra USA-ekspertene.
Det er ikke usannsynlig at John Running som døde i California er riktig mann.

mvh Aud Marion

[Margit R Bakke]

I think you should need to find an obituary for this John Running in California.

Name: John E Running
Social Security #: 562181665
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 17 Mar 1884
Birthplace: Other Country
Death Date: 13 May 1951
Death Place: Los Angeles

Lookup person:
Los Angeles Times from 1881-present and also to the Los Angeles City Directories from abt 1882-1901. I would be willing to do lookups for reimbursement of expenses only. I just ask $1 per page plus postage. I do not charge if the requested info is not found.I would need the name, date and type of record being sought. Thanks.
1881-present day

Colleen Maresca
[email protected]

Put Los Angeles Times Lookup Please
in the subject line
Put the death information above (all of it) in the body of the message.
If there is a charge, you can let me know and I will pay it, it usually is easier. You can have them send it to me also if you wish, or I can request it for you if you wish. You will need to let me know.

http://www.cagenweb.com/re/losangeles/langelok.htm

[17887]

- again, tusen takk, Margit !
I don`t know what way Odd Petter wants to do this ... (I know that he is very interested in information on his grand uncle, though !)

How can we pay - is it OK to send money by mail ?
I`m sure you must have answered this question many times before and I must have seen it, but I`m not able to find it just now ...

Vennlig hilsen
Aud Marion

[Margit R Bakke]

Let me know what you want. You can send me cash in the mail if it costs money.

[gj06100]

Hei Margit og Aud Marion og Odd Petter!
Margit, I looked at the website for the California death "index"...
Have you ever ordered simply a death record (not obit) from them...Maybe this would be an "easy" way to perhaps figure out if John E Running is THE MAN!
I know death records don't always give enough info...but perhaps this one might list enough info (like parents names!)..to make a conclusion about this fellow...
Re:obit...
The cost of $1 per page is confusing...do you think that is the the cost for each page READ or just the right one found?..could add up a lot, if the person (colleen) reads a lot of pages to find the right one...
mvh Patty

[Margit R Bakke]

I have already contacted the lady and she is going to check this week for the information. If she finds nothing, she charges nothing. The charge now is $2 a page, which is very cheap when you consider the price of a persons time and gasoline.

[gj06100]

Thanks Margit...
But I am still wondering...is her price (now $2) for the actual information found...like the obit...and that should be just one page (usually)...?
mvh Patty

[Margit R Bakke]

I guess I trust her, this is what she wrote. I do obituary lookup for free here in Norman County of Minnesota. It is a whole different world in Los Angeles, usually you can find no one to do anything and they want a whole lot more then what Colleen is asking for. Even if they find nothing, they want money usually. Many times when I request an obituary in Washington state they are two pages, as they find all the obits they want. If money is a problem, I will pay it myself.

Hi, Margit,

I would be happy to see if there was an obit for John in the LA Times. The
current fees are $2 per printed page, plus postage; still NO cost if not
found. Give me a week or so to check and get back to you.

Colleen

[17887]

Hei Margit
Thank you so much for all your efforts - Odd Petter and I are both very thankful for what you are doing in the search for Johan Arnt/John.

- and of course you get your expences back ! You can send a PM to Odd Petter or me with your adress.
It would have been great if this is Odd Petter`s relative !

mvh Aud Marion

[Margit R Bakke]

Received this morning:

Hi, Margit.

Just letting you know that I checked through the LA Times but was not able
to find anything mentioned about John Running's death. I would recommend
that you try writing to the CA Vital Records for a copy of his death
record. Sorry I wasn't able to help. Take care, Colleen


Name: John E Running
Social Security #: 562181665
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 17 Mar 1884
Birthplace: Other Country
Death Date: 13 May 1951
Death Place: Los Angeles

Obituary Lookup Please

Thank you,
_________________
Margit in Minnesota

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[gj06100]

Hei til alle!
I went through the different links re:Calif. Death certificate...(web sites have changed!...so it took a bit).
It seems you have to be a "close" relative to order one? Do you all agree?
So I now wonder if it is possible to get one...
Some states have made these rules more difficult for those interested in genealogy...
mvh Patty

[dn19075]

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/certlic/birthdea ... cords.aspx

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/certlic/birthdea ... lCopy.aspx

Everyone can order a informational copy of the death certificate, but there are rules for who may obtain an authorized copy. Right?

[Margit R Bakke]

Yes that is right. She can order an informational copy.

Informational Copy

If you cannot obtain an authorized copy under California law, you can obtain an informational copy. An informational copy contains the same information as an authorized copy, but will have a legend across the face with the statement "INFORMATIONAL, NOT A VALID DOCUMENT TO ESTABLISH IDENTITY." Authorized and informational copies are both “certified copies.”

[17887]

Takk for opplysningene, begge to.
Johan Arnt/John Rønning/Running was a brother to Odd Petter`s grandfather, and I think an informational copy will give us the information we need.
Do you know what way we pay for this; is it Ok with Visa card ?

mvh Aud Marion

[gj06100]

Hei igjen til alle!
Can someone with Ancestry please tell me what is the profession of the John Running in the 1930 Los Angeles, CA census (Hanne Line gave this record earlier). His wife was Aileen in this record.
Thank you!
mvh Patty

[dn19075]

1930 United States Federal Census

Name: John Running
Home in 1930: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Aileen
Race: White

Household Members: Name Age
John Running 45
Aileen Running 35

[gj06100]

Hei!
Thank you Hanne Line...
I ordered the Death Record from the CA Health Dept. for the John E. Running who died in Los Angeles in 1951. I just received the copy.
This information says that this John E. Running never married. But, I am wondering if that really is true. The person who supplied the information on the Death Record, was called Mrs. Frank Osterberg...it does not say how she knew John E. Running.
On the death record it says that this John Running was a retired seaman and worked as a marine engineer. At the time of his death, he had only lived at his current address..2624 Alma St. , San Pedro, Los Angeles, for 4 years...so I wonder how much Mrs. Osterberg really knew about John Running...especially about if he had been married.

There is no mention of the names of the parents of John E. Running on the death record...just that he was born in Norway March 17, 1884.

When I look at the 1930 census record for John Running married to Aileen in Los Angeles, it says HE is an engineer on a yacht.

I am wondering if the John Running from the 1930 census and the John Running who died in 1951 are the same person...and IF he might be the person who Aud Marion and Odd Petter are looking for.

Not sure where else to look for information.
Does anyone have any ideas?
mvh Patty