I just happened on a soc.genealogy.medieval posting of six years ago
concerning the work of the author Glanville-Richards. I notice in his
book that Ranulph de Glanville (father of Hervey) is identified as the
Sire de Glanville, who was supposedly one of the Commanders of the
Archers du Val du Real and Bretheul at the Battle of Hastings.
However, I often don't find the Sire listed as among the companions of
the Conqueror. There is the monument in Normandy that is supposed to
include him, but as Robert de Grenville. Or is this someone else
entirely?
Various lists of William's companions
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Jay Cary
Re: Various lists of William's companions
franklin@clerk.com (Mack Dread) wrote in message news:<5e978d27.0410121011.4aefed1f@posting.google.com>...
I am afraid that I cannot help you with the companions of W the C. I have not
done any research in this area. I believe that not very much is really known
about the actual people who were at Hastings. Companions of the Conqueror has
been discussed on sgm in the past, so you can read those discussions in the
archives.
Below is all I have on the early Glanvilles.
Jay
First Generation
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1. Ranulf de Glanville.1 d. bef 1086.
He was from Glanville, near Lisieux in Normandy. He was a tenant of Robert
Malet in Suffolk and benefactor of Eye. He witnessed a charter of Robert de
Mowbray in Normandy in 1064.
Children:
i. Robert1.
Died without issue. He was a tenant of Robert Malet in Suffolk in 1086 and
held several fees of the Warennes.
2 ii. Hervey
Second Generation
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Family of Ranulf de Glanville (1)
2. Hervey de Glanville.1
He m. _____ Salt les Dames1, daughter of Roger Salt les Dames (Deus Salvaet
Dominus).
About 1131-33, William Glanville was the heir of William "Salt Les Dames".2
They had the following children:
i. William1.
He m. Beatrice de Sauqueville1, daughter of Robert de Sauqueville.
3 ii. Hervey (~1090->1150)
Third Generation
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Family of Hervey de Glanville (2) & _____ Salt les Dames
3. Hervey de Glanville.1,3 b. abt 1090. d. aft 1150.
He led men from Norfolk and Suffok in a Crusade in 1147 against the Moors in
Portugal which culminated in the capture of Lisbon. Probably from Normandy,
Glanville, Calvados, arr. Pont-l'Eveque, cant. Dozule.
He m. Mabel _____4,3.
They had the following children:
i. William1. d. bef 1199.
He m. Dionysia Lenveise4.
ii. Hervey1.
iii. Roger1. d. abt 1196.
Baron of the Exchequer in 1174. Sheriff of Northumberland 1184-1190.
He first m. Christina _____.
He second m. Gundred of Warwick5, daughter of Roger de Newburgh 2nd Earl of
Warwick (-Jun 12, 1153) & Gundreda de Warenne. d. bef 1208.
iv. Gerard1.
He first m. Emma de Cuckney4,6, daughter of Thomas de Cuckney.
He second m. Maud Filia Adam4,6, daughter of Adam Fitz Swain, aft 1181.
4 v. Ranulf (~1130-1190)
vi. Robert1. d. aft 1208.
vii. Osbert1. d. aft 1194.4
viii. John4.
ix. Alice4.
She m. Geoffrey de Lodnes.
x. Gutha4.
She first m. Richard Bussell.
She second m. Adam de Biauney.
She third m. Alvered de Murious.
Fourth Generation
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Family of Hervey de Glanville (3) & Mabel _____
4. Ranulf de Glanville Sheriff of Yorkshire.7,4,1,8 b. Stratford, Suffolk,
England, abt 1130. d. Acre on Oct 21, 1190. on the Third Crusade.
He was sheriff of Yorkshire from 1163-1170 and sheriff of Lancaster in 1173. On
July 13, 1174, he took prisoner the Scottish King, William "the Lion", at
Alnwick. He was sheriff of Westmoreland in 1179, Justice of the eyre in 1176,
ambassador to Flanders in 1180 and finally Chief Justiciar of England from 1182
to 1189. Upon the succession of Ricard I to the throne, Ranulf lost his public
offices. In 1189, he joined the Crusades, despite being an old man, and died at
Acre in the struggle for the fortress.
He m. Bertha de Valeines1,4,8, daughter of Theobald de Valeines Lord of Parham
(-abt 1135) & Helewise _____.
They had the following children:
i. Maud1,4.
She m. William de Auberville. d. in 1196.4
ii. Amabilis1,4.
She m. Ralph de Arden. d. abt 1210.
5 iii. Helewise (-1195)
Fifth Generation
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Family of Ranulf de Glanville Sheriff of Yorkshire (4) & Bertha de Valeines
5. Helewise de Glanville.9,7,1,4,8 d. in 1195.
She m. Robert Fitz Ralph Lord of Middleham & Spennithorne10,7, son of Ralph Fitz
Ribald Lord of Middleham & Spennithorne (ca 1080-aft 1168) & Agatha de Brus
(-1142). b. abt 1110. d. in 1185. bur. Chapter House, Coverham Abbey.
He succeeded his father by the year 1177. He received the forestry of
Wensleydale from Earl Conan. He began the construction of the castle at
Middleham in 1190. It is reported that he was aware of the plot to kill Saint
Thomas Becket and failed to warn him, and, as an act of contrition he had
Beauchief Abbey built in 1183.
They had the following children:
i. Waleran7 (ca1170-<1194)
ii. Ranulf10,7 (-<1252)
iii. Radulphus7
Sources
1. G. Andrews Moriarty, "The Parentage of Ranulf de Glanville", New England
Historical and Genealogical Register, 102:292
2. K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Domesday People, A Prosopography of Persons Ocurring in
English Documents 1066-1166, (1999), Vol. I p. 407.
3. K.B.S. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of People Ocurring
in English Documents 1066 - 1166, II Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum (Boydell
Press, 2002). p. 477.
4. Richard Mortimer, "The Family of Rannulf de Glanville", Bulletin of the
Institute of Historical Research, LIV, #129:1-16
5. Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charter Sureties, 4th ed. Genealogical
Publishing Co., 1991 line 155.
6. K.B.S. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of People Ocurring
in English Documents 1066 - 1166, II Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum (Boydell
Press, 2002).
7. Oris Hugh Fitz Randolph, Edward Fitz Randolph Branch Lines, Allied Families,
and English and Norman Ancestry, 2nd ed., privately printed, 1980.
8. K.B.S. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of People Ocurring
in English Documents 1066 - 1166, II Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum (Boydell
Press, 2002). p. 478.
9. Oris H. F. Randolph; Daniel Fitz Randolph, His Ancestry and Descendants; 1959
10. William Page, ed., The Victoria History of the Counties of England, (London,
Constable, 1906- ). North Riding of York, p. 254.
I just happened on a soc.genealogy.medieval posting of six years ago
concerning the work of the author Glanville-Richards. I notice in his
book that Ranulph de Glanville (father of Hervey) is identified as the
Sire de Glanville, who was supposedly one of the Commanders of the
Archers du Val du Real and Bretheul at the Battle of Hastings.
However, I often don't find the Sire listed as among the companions of
the Conqueror. There is the monument in Normandy that is supposed to
include him, but as Robert de Grenville. Or is this someone else
entirely?
I am afraid that I cannot help you with the companions of W the C. I have not
done any research in this area. I believe that not very much is really known
about the actual people who were at Hastings. Companions of the Conqueror has
been discussed on sgm in the past, so you can read those discussions in the
archives.
Below is all I have on the early Glanvilles.
Jay
First Generation
-------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Ranulf de Glanville.1 d. bef 1086.
He was from Glanville, near Lisieux in Normandy. He was a tenant of Robert
Malet in Suffolk and benefactor of Eye. He witnessed a charter of Robert de
Mowbray in Normandy in 1064.
Children:
i. Robert1.
Died without issue. He was a tenant of Robert Malet in Suffolk in 1086 and
held several fees of the Warennes.
2 ii. Hervey
Second Generation
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Family of Ranulf de Glanville (1)
2. Hervey de Glanville.1
He m. _____ Salt les Dames1, daughter of Roger Salt les Dames (Deus Salvaet
Dominus).
About 1131-33, William Glanville was the heir of William "Salt Les Dames".2
They had the following children:
i. William1.
He m. Beatrice de Sauqueville1, daughter of Robert de Sauqueville.
3 ii. Hervey (~1090->1150)
Third Generation
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Family of Hervey de Glanville (2) & _____ Salt les Dames
3. Hervey de Glanville.1,3 b. abt 1090. d. aft 1150.
He led men from Norfolk and Suffok in a Crusade in 1147 against the Moors in
Portugal which culminated in the capture of Lisbon. Probably from Normandy,
Glanville, Calvados, arr. Pont-l'Eveque, cant. Dozule.
He m. Mabel _____4,3.
They had the following children:
i. William1. d. bef 1199.
He m. Dionysia Lenveise4.
ii. Hervey1.
iii. Roger1. d. abt 1196.
Baron of the Exchequer in 1174. Sheriff of Northumberland 1184-1190.
He first m. Christina _____.
He second m. Gundred of Warwick5, daughter of Roger de Newburgh 2nd Earl of
Warwick (-Jun 12, 1153) & Gundreda de Warenne. d. bef 1208.
iv. Gerard1.
He first m. Emma de Cuckney4,6, daughter of Thomas de Cuckney.
He second m. Maud Filia Adam4,6, daughter of Adam Fitz Swain, aft 1181.
4 v. Ranulf (~1130-1190)
vi. Robert1. d. aft 1208.
vii. Osbert1. d. aft 1194.4
viii. John4.
ix. Alice4.
She m. Geoffrey de Lodnes.
x. Gutha4.
She first m. Richard Bussell.
She second m. Adam de Biauney.
She third m. Alvered de Murious.
Fourth Generation
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Family of Hervey de Glanville (3) & Mabel _____
4. Ranulf de Glanville Sheriff of Yorkshire.7,4,1,8 b. Stratford, Suffolk,
England, abt 1130. d. Acre on Oct 21, 1190. on the Third Crusade.
He was sheriff of Yorkshire from 1163-1170 and sheriff of Lancaster in 1173. On
July 13, 1174, he took prisoner the Scottish King, William "the Lion", at
Alnwick. He was sheriff of Westmoreland in 1179, Justice of the eyre in 1176,
ambassador to Flanders in 1180 and finally Chief Justiciar of England from 1182
to 1189. Upon the succession of Ricard I to the throne, Ranulf lost his public
offices. In 1189, he joined the Crusades, despite being an old man, and died at
Acre in the struggle for the fortress.
He m. Bertha de Valeines1,4,8, daughter of Theobald de Valeines Lord of Parham
(-abt 1135) & Helewise _____.
They had the following children:
i. Maud1,4.
She m. William de Auberville. d. in 1196.4
ii. Amabilis1,4.
She m. Ralph de Arden. d. abt 1210.
5 iii. Helewise (-1195)
Fifth Generation
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Family of Ranulf de Glanville Sheriff of Yorkshire (4) & Bertha de Valeines
5. Helewise de Glanville.9,7,1,4,8 d. in 1195.
She m. Robert Fitz Ralph Lord of Middleham & Spennithorne10,7, son of Ralph Fitz
Ribald Lord of Middleham & Spennithorne (ca 1080-aft 1168) & Agatha de Brus
(-1142). b. abt 1110. d. in 1185. bur. Chapter House, Coverham Abbey.
He succeeded his father by the year 1177. He received the forestry of
Wensleydale from Earl Conan. He began the construction of the castle at
Middleham in 1190. It is reported that he was aware of the plot to kill Saint
Thomas Becket and failed to warn him, and, as an act of contrition he had
Beauchief Abbey built in 1183.
They had the following children:
i. Waleran7 (ca1170-<1194)
ii. Ranulf10,7 (-<1252)
iii. Radulphus7
Sources
1. G. Andrews Moriarty, "The Parentage of Ranulf de Glanville", New England
Historical and Genealogical Register, 102:292
2. K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Domesday People, A Prosopography of Persons Ocurring in
English Documents 1066-1166, (1999), Vol. I p. 407.
3. K.B.S. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of People Ocurring
in English Documents 1066 - 1166, II Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum (Boydell
Press, 2002). p. 477.
4. Richard Mortimer, "The Family of Rannulf de Glanville", Bulletin of the
Institute of Historical Research, LIV, #129:1-16
5. Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charter Sureties, 4th ed. Genealogical
Publishing Co., 1991 line 155.
6. K.B.S. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of People Ocurring
in English Documents 1066 - 1166, II Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum (Boydell
Press, 2002).
7. Oris Hugh Fitz Randolph, Edward Fitz Randolph Branch Lines, Allied Families,
and English and Norman Ancestry, 2nd ed., privately printed, 1980.
8. K.B.S. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of People Ocurring
in English Documents 1066 - 1166, II Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum (Boydell
Press, 2002). p. 478.
9. Oris H. F. Randolph; Daniel Fitz Randolph, His Ancestry and Descendants; 1959
10. William Page, ed., The Victoria History of the Counties of England, (London,
Constable, 1906- ). North Riding of York, p. 254.
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Tim Powys-Lybbe
Re: Various lists of William's companions
In message of 16 Oct, jc1@alum.dartmouth.org (Jay Cary) wrote:
The must-read on the Companions of the Conqueror is Antony J Camp's "My
ancestors came with the Conqueror". Dead cheap on:
http://www.sog.org.uk/acatalog/SoG_Orde ... s_135.html
(Ensure all the above characters are on one line for your browser.)
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
franklin@clerk.com (Mack Dread) wrote in message
news:<5e978d27.0410121011.4aefed1f@posting.google.com>...
I just happened on a soc.genealogy.medieval posting of six years ago
concerning the work of the author Glanville-Richards. I notice in his
book that Ranulph de Glanville (father of Hervey) is identified as
the Sire de Glanville, who was supposedly one of the Commanders of
the Archers du Val du Real and Bretheul at the Battle of Hastings.
However, I often don't find the Sire listed as among the companions
of the Conqueror. There is the monument in Normandy that is
supposed to include him, but as Robert de Grenville. Or is this
someone else entirely?
I am afraid that I cannot help you with the companions of W the C. I
have not done any research in this area. I believe that not very
much is really known about the actual people who were at Hastings.
Companions of the Conqueror has been discussed on sgm in the past, so
you can read those discussions in the archives.
The must-read on the Companions of the Conqueror is Antony J Camp's "My
ancestors came with the Conqueror". Dead cheap on:
http://www.sog.org.uk/acatalog/SoG_Orde ... s_135.html
(Ensure all the above characters are on one line for your browser.)
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
-
Frank Bullen
Re: Various lists of William's companions
Of the 315 French companions of William the Conqueror (at the Battle of Hasting) listed in the plaque at the Castle of Falaise, SOG researchers accepted 15 as being unquestionably authentic. Another SOG researcher felt another four could be genuine. All the remaining 296 claimants were regarded as spurious.
Regards
Frank
Regards
Frank
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Terry
Re: Various lists of William's companions
So William only took 19 Knights with him, they did fight well!
Terry
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Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: Various lists of William's companions
Terry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Bullen" <bullenfw41@telkomsa.net>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: Various lists of William's companions
Of the 315 French companions of William the Conqueror (at the Battle of
Hasting) listed in the plaque at the Castle of Falaise, SOG researchers
accepted 15 as being unquestionably authentic. Another SOG researcher
felt another four could be genuine. All the remaining 296 claimants were
regarded as spurious.
Regards
Frank