The Mortimer exchange

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Phylis Stager

The Mortimer exchange

Legg inn av Phylis Stager » 07 okt 2004 00:43:25

Good teachers promote critical thinking. When they see a spark of
embryonic intellectual fire, however misguided that spark, good teacher's
provide oxygen. They do not smother that light with hubris and insults.
phs

D. Spencer Hines

Re: The Mortimer Exchange

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 07 okt 2004 00:43:26

Hilarious!

Good Teachers Can Also Write Basic English.

DSH

""Phylis Stager"" <phugo@countrynet.net> wrote in message
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|
| Good teachers promote critical thinking. When they see a spark of
| embryonic intellectual fire, however misguided that spark, good
teacher's [sic]
| provide oxygen. They do not smother that light with hubris and
insults.
| phs

David Webb

Re: The Mortimer exchange

Legg inn av David Webb » 07 okt 2004 00:43:26

""Phylis Stager"" <phugo@countrynet.net> wrote in message
news:200410062043.i96KhNOh030295@mail.rootsweb.com...
Good teachers promote critical thinking. When they see a spark of
embryonic intellectual fire, however misguided that spark, good teacher's
provide oxygen. They do not smother that light with hubris and insults.
phs




Yes, you are quite right. The source of the unpleasantness was the arrogance
and dismissiveness of Mr Parsons, followed by Mr van de Pas' sycophantic
support for Mr Parsons just because of who he is. Quite a revolting
spectacle really.

Leo van de Pas

Re: The Mortimer exchange

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 07 okt 2004 03:49:42

You ask a question, you get a reply and because you don't like the reply you
insult people....goodness you are a mature human being. If you had given
some details in the first place, or responded with details we might have had
a totally different conversation. You took two steps back to hurl abuse and
to go forward again seems beyond you.


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Webb" <djwebb2002@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: The Mortimer exchange


""Phylis Stager"" <phugo@countrynet.net> wrote in message
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Good teachers promote critical thinking. When they see a spark of
embryonic intellectual fire, however misguided that spark, good
teacher's
provide oxygen. They do not smother that light with hubris and insults.
phs




Yes, you are quite right. The source of the unpleasantness was the
arrogance
and dismissiveness of Mr Parsons, followed by Mr van de Pas' sycophantic
support for Mr Parsons just because of who he is. Quite a revolting
spectacle really.




David Webb

Re: The Mortimer exchange

Legg inn av David Webb » 07 okt 2004 04:28:33

I can easily go forward again. There are other points made in IM's book that
haven't been mentioned on the list. Eg Berkeley charged with murdering Ed
II, but Maltravers wasn't. Why not if Ed III really thought they were both
guilty of regicide? There are a lot of minor points backing his point. The
Fieschi letter contains info that chronicleers at the time generally didn't
know, eg of Ed II's taking a boat from Chepstow before being captured. IM
argues there is internal evidence that info in the Fieschi letter could only
have come from Ed II. Also the acquittal of Berkely just after the receipt
of the Fieschi letter etc etc.



""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:000401c4abff$9d086600$c3b4fea9@email...
You ask a question, you get a reply and because you don't like the reply
you
insult people....goodness you are a mature human being. If you had given
some details in the first place, or responded with details we might have
had
a totally different conversation. You took two steps back to hurl abuse
and
to go forward again seems beyond you.


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Webb" <djwebb2002@blueyonder.co.uk
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: The Mortimer exchange



""Phylis Stager"" <phugo@countrynet.net> wrote in message
news:200410062043.i96KhNOh030295@mail.rootsweb.com...

Good teachers promote critical thinking. When they see a spark of
embryonic intellectual fire, however misguided that spark, good
teacher's
provide oxygen. They do not smother that light with hubris and
insults.
phs




Yes, you are quite right. The source of the unpleasantness was the
arrogance
and dismissiveness of Mr Parsons, followed by Mr van de Pas' sycophantic
support for Mr Parsons just because of who he is. Quite a revolting
spectacle really.





Peter Stewart

Re: The Mortimer exchange

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 07 okt 2004 04:59:04

David Webb wrote:

I can easily go forward again. There are other points made in IM's book that
haven't been mentioned on the list. Eg Berkeley charged with murdering Ed
II, but Maltravers wasn't. Why not if Ed III really thought they were both
guilty of regicide? There are a lot of minor points backing his point. The
Fieschi letter contains info that chronicleers at the time generally didn't
know, eg of Ed II's taking a boat from Chepstow before being captured. IM
argues there is internal evidence that info in the Fieschi letter could only
have come from Ed II. Also the acquittal of Berkely just after the receipt
of the Fieschi letter etc etc.

Eh? I don't recal that Ian Mortimer was really this stupid. How can
anyone know that information in the Fieschi letter "could only have come
from" Edward II? Is there a secret account written by Edward himself and
unseen by any contemporary of his to corroborate this wild claim?

The fact that one suspect was charged while another wasn't is hardly
evidence that the crime in question had never taken place. The reason
for Berkeley's acquittal was the failure to prove his guilt, not the
discovery that Edward hadn't been murdered in the first place.

According to Murimuth, while Maltravers was still hiding in Germany,
Gournay had been beheaded for the crime. If you want to propose that
later on Edward III became convinced his father had not been murdered,
what is the evidence that he extended a posthumous pardon to this victim
of such a gross injustice?

Doesn't it occur to you that Edward III's own mother was implicated, and
that his own anointing as king could be compromised by the events
leading to it, so that embarrassment over these factors might have
tempered his judicial vengeance against Berkeley and Maltravers with the
whole world watching?

Peter Stewart

Phylis Stager

RE: The Mortimer Exchange

Legg inn av Phylis Stager » 07 okt 2004 07:36:38

I have never been a teacher and it seems I must have failed english! Oh
well.... phs

-----Original Message-----
From: D. Spencer Hines [mailto:poguemidden@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:22 AM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: The Mortimer Exchange

Hilarious!

Good Teachers Can Also Write Basic English.

DSH

""Phylis Stager"" <phugo@countrynet.net> wrote in message
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|
| Good teachers promote critical thinking. When they see a spark of
| embryonic intellectual fire, however misguided that spark, good
teacher's [sic]
| provide oxygen. They do not smother that light with hubris and
insults.
| phs

Gjest

Re: The Mortimer exchange

Legg inn av Gjest » 07 okt 2004 14:23:51

In a message dated 07/10/04 03:38:45 GMT Daylight Time,
djwebb2002@blueyonder.co.uk writes:

can easily go forward again. There are other points made in IM's book that
haven't been mentioned on the list. Eg Berkeley charged with murdering Ed
II, but Maltravers wasn't. Why not if Ed III really thought they were both
guilty of regicide?

<snip>

CP Vol VIII p 583 gives some insight into this situation.

Adrian

D. Spencer Hines

Re: The Mortimer Exchange

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 07 okt 2004 15:06:06

Indeed....

Learn how to spell PHYLLIS too.

PHYLLIS = Greek: Green Bough

NOT...

"Phylis"

DSH

""Phylis Stager"" <phugo@countrynet.net> wrote in message
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| I have never been a teacher and it seems I must have failed english!
Oh
| well.... phs
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: D. Spencer Hines [mailto:poguemidden@hotmail.com]
| Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:22 AM
| To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
| Subject: Re: The Mortimer Exchange
|
| Hilarious!
|
| Good Teachers Can Also Write Basic English.
|
| DSH
|
| ""Phylis Stager"" <phugo@countrynet.net> wrote in message
| news:200410062043.i96KhNOh030295@mail.rootsweb.com...
| |
| | Good teachers promote critical thinking. When they see a spark of
| | embryonic intellectual fire, however misguided that spark, good
| teacher's [sic]
| | provide oxygen. They do not smother that light with hubris and
| insults.
| | phs

D. Spencer Hines

Re: The Mortimer Exchange

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 07 okt 2004 15:46:59

In English -- We Spell It PHYLLIS.

John 5:14

"The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of truth....
This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other end beyond
itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra Gentiles"
[c.1258-1264]

"Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur. Odi profanum vulgus et arceo."

Quintus Aurelius Stultus [33 B.C. - 42 A.D.]

Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat
opus.

'Nuff Said.

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Indeed....
|
| Learn how to spell PHYLLIS too.
|
| PHYLLIS = Greek: Green Bough
|
| NOT...
|
| "Phylis"
|
| DSH
|
| ""Phylis Stager"" <phugo@countrynet.net> wrote in message
| news:200410070336.i973aZOh016263@mail.rootsweb.com...
|
| | I have never been a teacher and it seems I must have failed english!
| | Oh well.... phs
| |
| | -----Original Message-----
| | From: D. Spencer Hines [mailto:poguemidden@hotmail.com]
| | Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:22 AM
| | To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
| | Subject: Re: The Mortimer Exchange
| |
| | Hilarious!
| |
| | Good Teachers Can Also Write Basic English.
| |
| | DSH
| |
| | ""Phylis Stager"" <phugo@countrynet.net> wrote in message
| | news:200410062043.i96KhNOh030295@mail.rootsweb.com...
| | |
| | | Good teachers promote critical thinking. When they see a spark
of
| | | embryonic intellectual fire, however misguided that spark, good
| | teacher's [sic]
| | | provide oxygen. They do not smother that light with hubris and
| | insults.
| | | phs

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