Does No One Know Anything About William Dymoke & Frances War

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Does No One Know Anything About William Dymoke & Frances War

Legg inn av vze1u79v » 06 okt 2004 02:30:55

Last week I sent a message to the group asking about Eleanor, wife of John
Whitbread & mother of Alice Whitbread. I received one response from Don
Stone suggesting I re-read some postings from 2000-2001. I had previously
read them, but re-read them again to see if I could glean anything about the
Dymoke-Warren connection. There was nothing there. I'm re-posting last
week's message to see if anyone else knows anything. Thanks!



Jim Mills



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This is my first posting to the newsgroup, although I feel I know so many of
you already by reading your messages imbedded in notes to genealogies on
World Connect Project.



I am a descendent of Alice Whitbread, born ~1579 in Bedfordshire, England.
From my research I understand her father was John Whitbread and her mother
was Eleanor. Many sources speculate that Eleanor (born ~1554) was the
illegitimate daughter of Edward Radcliff of Elstow, Kent. However, this
claim does not appear to be firmly supported. I was ready to write off
continuing with this line after all that I had read, but a new wrinkle
recently came up.



A few posters to World Connect Project have claimed that Eleanor was the
illegitimate daughter of William Dymoke and Frances Warren. The William
Dymoke they reference was supposedly born ~1532 to Edward Dymoke and Alice
Tailboys. Frances Warren (born ~1536) was supposedly the daughter of Edward
Warren & Dorothy Booth. Both the Dymoke & Warren family trace back to
English royalty and nobility. Sources indicate that Eleanor also came from
money, far above the station of her husband's family (the Whitbreads).



Does anybody know any more about Eleanor and her possible connection to the
Dymoke & Warren lines? Alice Whitbread ended up marrying Gerald Spencer,
who was himself descended from the famed Despencer family. Any help would
be appreciated.



Jim Mills

Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: Does No One Know Anything About William Dymoke & Frances

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 06 okt 2004 02:30:56

In message of 5 Oct, jamess.millsjr@verizon.net ("vze1u79v") wrote:


I am a descendent of Alice Whitbread, born ~1579 in Bedfordshire, England.
From my research I understand her father was John Whitbread and her mother
was Eleanor. Many sources speculate that Eleanor (born ~1554) was the
illegitimate daughter of Edward Radcliff of Elstow, Kent. However, this
claim does not appear to be firmly supported. I was ready to write off
continuing with this line after all that I had read, but a new wrinkle
recently came up.



A few posters to World Connect Project have claimed that Eleanor was the
illegitimate daughter of William Dymoke and Frances Warren. The William
Dymoke they reference was supposedly born ~1532 to Edward Dymoke and Alice
Tailboys. Frances Warren (born ~1536) was supposedly the daughter of Edward
Warren & Dorothy Booth. Both the Dymoke & Warren family trace back to
English royalty and nobility. Sources indicate that Eleanor also came from
money, far above the station of her husband's family (the Whitbreads).



Does anybody know any more about Eleanor and her possible connection to the
Dymoke & Warren lines? Alice Whitbread ended up marrying Gerald Spencer,
who was himself descended from the famed Despencer family. Any help would
be appreciated.

Ed Dymoke and Ann Talbois and only their fourth son Arthur are in the
Lincolnshire Pedigrees published by the Harleian Society in 1906, Vol
I, p. 319. At the foot of the pedigree there is this note:

"The pedigree of Dymoke of Scrivelsby has been printed in Lodge's
'History of Scrivelsby'. I have given the above as supplementary to
it.-- A.R.M."

The pedigree books are not to be relied on but they do give you
pointers of something to have a further look at, so that you can locate
some hard evidence.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

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