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Kalothetos Theodoros

Legg inn av eachwaynet » 20 sep 2004 07:12:15

Is there any information about Theodoro Kalothetos, Duke of Thracien

Based on documents (1257), he is allegedly the nephew of Michael
Palaiologos. What is the relationship?

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Pierre Aronax

Re: Kalothetos Theodoros

Legg inn av Pierre Aronax » 20 sep 2004 22:27:10

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Is there any information about Theodoro Kalothetos, Duke of Thracien

Based on documents (1257), he is allegedly the nephew of Michael
Palaiologos. What is the relationship?

regards


This is Théodotos Kalothétos, not Théodôros. He was not a nephew of
Michaèl Palaiologos but his "uncle" (théios) but the exact
relationship is not known and "theios" can perfectly be used for a
rather remote link. The document is of 1259, not 1257. He was duke of
Thrakesion and originated from Ephesus.

Pierre

eachwaynet

Re: Kalothetos Theodoros

Legg inn av eachwaynet » 21 sep 2004 07:36:48

The words "Uncle" and "Nephew" go together. The exact relationship is not
relevant.

Yes it is Theodotos (my mistake) and it is 1259 (my mistake again.

The Kalothetos family was very large, Leo was Lord of Chios in 1347 and
other had good positions too although many were Clerics and Monks.

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Is there any information about Theodoro Kalothetos, Duke of Thracien

Based on documents (1257), he is allegedly the nephew of Michael
Palaiologos. What is the relationship?

regards


This is Théodotos Kalothétos, not Théodôros. He was not a nephew of
Michaèl Palaiologos but his "uncle" (théios) but the exact
relationship is not known and "theios" can perfectly be used for a
rather remote link. The document is of 1259, not 1257. He was duke of
Thrakesion and originated from Ephesus.

Pierre

Pierre Aronax

Re: Kalothetos Theodoros

Legg inn av Pierre Aronax » 21 sep 2004 18:59:06

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The words "Uncle" and "Nephew" go together. The exact relationship is not
relevant.

Really? "theios" means "uncle", not "nephew": its use is relevant and
emplies that Théodotoas was older than Michaèl and/or that his link to
their common ancestor was shorter of at least a degree than Michaèl's.

Yes it is Theodotos (my mistake) and it is 1259 (my mistake again.

The Kalothetos family was very large, Leo was Lord of Chios in 1347

Actually, no. He was governor of Chios for the emperor, with a large
autonomy, from 1329 to somewhere between 1341 and 1345. He was later
governor of the Old Phokaia, acting as an independent ruler. He is
supposed to have been native from Chios, so a relationship with
Théodotoas, who originated from the neighbouring Ephesus, is not
unlikely, particularly considering that Ephesus has been conquered by
the Turks in the meantime.

and
other had good positions too although many were Clerics and Monks.

All bearers of that name were not necessarily of the same family: some
for example were serfs (paroikos) and so certainly not related to the
aristocratic family of Kalothetos.

Pierre

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Is there any information about Theodoro Kalothetos, Duke of Thracien

Based on documents (1257), he is allegedly the nephew of Michael
Palaiologos. What is the relationship?

regards


This is Théodotos Kalothétos, not Théodôros. He was not a nephew of
Michaèl Palaiologos but his "uncle" (théios) but the exact
relationship is not known and "theios" can perfectly be used for a
rather remote link. The document is of 1259, not 1257. He was duke of
Thrakesion and originated from Ephesus.

Pierre

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