Tentative Royal Descent for Walter Aston of Virginia

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Kelsey J. Williams

Tentative Royal Descent for Walter Aston of Virginia

Legg inn av Kelsey J. Williams » 14 sep 2004 15:11:01

Hello,

Several weeks ago I proposed that a certain Walter Aston baptized in
Standon, Staffordshire, might be the same as the immigrant to
Virginia. Since then I've found additional information which seems to
strengthen this hypothesis and so I thought it might be of interest to
the newsgroup if I posted a tentative royal line for Walter.
Naturally, my research on him and his family is still ongoing so this
shouldn't be regarded as definitive but I believe it to be a good
start.

Sincerely,
Kelsey J. Williams


1. John Lackland, King of England = _______ de Warenne, a mistress
2. Sir Richard FitzRoy = Rose de Dover
3. Lora de Dover = Sir William Marmion
4. Sir John Marmion, 1st Lord Marmion = Isabel
5. Sir John Marmion, 2nd Lord Marmion = Maud de Furnival
6. Avice Marmion = Sir John de Grey, 1st Lord Grey of Rotherfield
7. Maud de Grey = Sir Thomas Harcourt
8. Sir Thomas Harcourt = Jane Fraunceys
9. Sir Robert Harcourt = Margaret Byron
10. John Harcourt = Anne Norreys
11. Lettice Harcourt = Humphrey Peshale
12. Joan Peshale = Richard Sandford
13. Margaret Sandford = Richard Broughton
14. Roger Broughton = Mary Halcot
15. Mary Broughton = Robert Aston
16. Walter Aston = Alice
17. Walter Aston, baptized 22 Feb 1609/10 in Standon, Staffordshire.
Most likely to be identified with the man of that name who d. 6 Apr
1656 in Charles City Co., VA.

Sources:
Generations 1-11: Richardson, _Plantagenet Ancestry_, passim.
Generations 12-13: _Burke's Landed Gentry_ (1939 Ed.), p. 1989.
Generation 14: Howard & Chester, _The Visitation of London, Anno
Domini 1633, 1634, and 1635_, 2v. (London: Harleian Society, 1880), I:
109.
Generations 14-17: Edward Salt, _The History of Standon: Parish,
Manour, and Church, With Two Hundred Years of Registers_ (Birmingham:
Cornish Brothers, 1888), passim.


I would be most interested in any comments or corrections the
newsgroup has to offer.

Nathaniel Taylor

Re: Tentative Royal Descent for Walter Aston of Virginia

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 14 sep 2004 16:41:58

In article <5b747dd9.0409140511.49cfe562@posting.google.com>,
gkkwilliams@cowboy.net (Kelsey J. Williams) wrote:

Several weeks ago I proposed that a certain Walter Aston baptized in
Standon, Staffordshire, might be the same as the immigrant to
Virginia. Since then I've found additional information which seems to
strengthen this hypothesis and so I thought it might be of interest to
the newsgroup if I posted a tentative royal line for Walter.
Naturally, my research on him and his family is still ongoing so this
shouldn't be regarded as definitive but I believe it to be a good
start.

I would be most interested in any comments or corrections the
newsgroup has to offer.

Well, I can't comment on the line, but it would be more interesting to
see what information 'strengthens the hypothesis' that he is the
Virginia man of the same name (since your last post suggested the
possible identity simply because the birth year seems to be in the right
ballpark). By posting this ancestry you're putting the cart before the
horse--but perhaps shrewdly, because it may attract the attention and
enlist the aid of those who have irrationally clung to the 'other'
Walter Aston just because of that man's royal descent.

Nat Taylor

a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltaylor/leaves/

Kelsey J. Williams

Re: Tentative Royal Descent for Walter Aston of Virginia

Legg inn av Kelsey J. Williams » 15 sep 2004 02:11:06

Nathaniel Taylor <nathanieltaylor@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<nathanieltaylor-BE92A8.10432414092004@news5.east.earthlink.net>...
In article <5b747dd9.0409140511.49cfe562@posting.google.com>,
gkkwilliams@cowboy.net (Kelsey J. Williams) wrote:

Several weeks ago I proposed that a certain Walter Aston baptized in
Standon, Staffordshire, might be the same as the immigrant to
Virginia. Since then I've found additional information which seems to
strengthen this hypothesis and so I thought it might be of interest to
the newsgroup if I posted a tentative royal line for Walter.
Naturally, my research on him and his family is still ongoing so this
shouldn't be regarded as definitive but I believe it to be a good
start.

I would be most interested in any comments or corrections the
newsgroup has to offer.

Well, I can't comment on the line, but it would be more interesting to
see what information 'strengthens the hypothesis' that he is the
Virginia man of the same name (since your last post suggested the
possible identity simply because the birth year seems to be in the right
ballpark). By posting this ancestry you're putting the cart before the
horse--but perhaps shrewdly, because it may attract the attention and
enlist the aid of those who have irrationally clung to the 'other'
Walter Aston just because of that man's royal descent.

Nat Taylor

a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltaylor/leaves/


Hello,

My hypothesis concerning the identification of Lt.-Col. Walter with
Walter of Standon rests on the following points:

1) Walter of Standon's date of baptism (22 Feb 1609/10) tallies
roughly, although not exactly with the birth date which can be
calculated from Lt.-Col. Walter's tombstone: 6 Apr 1606 - 6 Apr 1607
(aged 49 at his death on 6 Apr 1656).

2) No burial record has been found in the Standon parish register, no
entries concerning Walter of Standon are found in the Standon manour
records and no will or administrations for him has been located in
either the PCC, the Consistory Court of Lichfield & Coventry or the
Peculiar Courts of Lichfield, Birmingham & Derby.

3) The names of Lt.-Col. Walter's daughters Mary & Elizabeth could
conceivably come from the names of Walter of Standon's grandmother
(Mary [Broughton] Aston) and aunt (Elizabeth [Aston] Vyse) although
the names are so common nothing definite can be ascertained.

4) Walter of Standon & Lt.-Col. Walter come from the same economic
class. Walter of Standon was the grandson of Robert Aston, Rector of
Standon, who married Mary, granddaughter of one of the Broughtons of
Broughton, a prominent Staffordshire family, and their daughter
Elizabeth married Humphrey Vyse, who was lord of the manour of
Standon.

5) Two Broughton cousins of Walter of Standon immigrated to America:
Francis, 3rd son of John Broughton of Whittington, Staffs., who was
living in Virginia as of 1664, and Thomas, 3rd son of Edward Broughton
of Longdon, Staffs., who died in New England prior to that date.

All references concerning Walter of Standon's family are from Edward
Salt's _The History of Standon: Parish, Manour, and Church, with Two
Hundred Years of Records_ (Birmingham, 1888). The source for the
Broughton immigrants is _Staffordshire Pedigrees, Based on the
Visitation of that County made by William Dugdale Esquire. . .[in
1663-64]_ (London, 1912).


The case for Lt.-Col. Walter and Walter of Standon being identified as
the same person is certainly not incontestable, it is not even
terribly strong, but I feel it deserves further consideration and I
thought that if other interested researchers were aware of the
possibilities inherent in this line they might be more eager to ferret
out its fundamental truth or lack thereof. I am continuing to order
and examine various books and records relating to this search and hope
to eventually be able to provide direct evidence to either confirm
their unity or their duality.

Sincerely,
Kelsey J. Williams

Gjest

Re: Tentative Royal Descent for Walter Aston of Virginia

Legg inn av Gjest » 15 sep 2004 05:13:15

"4) Walter of Standon & Lt.-Col. Walter come from the same economic
class. Walter of Standon was the grandson of Robert Aston, Rector of
Standon, who married Mary, granddaughter of one of the Broughtons of
Broughton, a prominent Staffordshire family, and their daughter
Elizabeth married Humphrey Vyse, who was lord of the manour of
Standon."

Kelsey this point has a problem.
First you say they came from the same economic class and then you proceed to give details only about ONE of them. So the details don't back up the statement. You give no details to indicate the economic class of the other Walter.

Will

Kelsey J. Williams

Re: Tentative Royal Descent for Walter Aston of Virginia

Legg inn av Kelsey J. Williams » 15 sep 2004 15:07:22

WJhonson@aol.com wrote in message news:<3D203E21.50BF83F7.007FA2F6@aol.com>...
"4) Walter of Standon & Lt.-Col. Walter come from the same economic
class. Walter of Standon was the grandson of Robert Aston, Rector of
Standon, who married Mary, granddaughter of one of the Broughtons of
Broughton, a prominent Staffordshire family, and their daughter
Elizabeth married Humphrey Vyse, who was lord of the manour of
Standon."

Kelsey this point has a problem.
First you say they came from the same economic class and then you proceed to give details only about ONE of them. So the details don't back up the statement. You give no details to indicate the economic class of the other Walter.

Will

Hello,

Sorry about that! I had assumed that people interested in this
research would already have some passing familiarity with the other
Walter but you are correct that I oughtn't to have made that
assumption. The basics details about Lt.-Col. Walter are as follows:

Walter Aston
b. ca. 1607 [calc.]
d. 6 Apr 1656 & bu. at Westover, Charles City Co., VA.
m. (1) Warbow & (2) Hannah (who m. [2] Col. Edward Hill)
Five children (Susannah, Mary, Elizabeth, Walter & Thomas)
Burgess for Shirley Hundred 1630, 1632, 1633, 1642 & 1643.
Lieutenant-Colonel in the Colonial Militia.
Justice of the Peace.

Most of this can be found in: Paul C. Reed, "The False English Origin
of Lieutenant-Colonel Walter^1 Aston of Charles City County,
Virginia," _The American Genealogist_ 76:3 (July 2001), 234-236. The
rest comes from my personal research and can be substantiated by the
public records of Charles City & Henrico Counties, Virginia.

Sincerely,
Kelsey J. Williams

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