THROCKMORTON/ BUTLER marriage

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THROCKMORTON/ BUTLER marriage

Legg inn av Gjest » 09 sep 2004 02:37:48

Hello, all

So, I'm looking over my BUTLER notes, and I notice something odd; when
George BUTLER of Droitwich and later Sharnbrook married Mary, daughter
of Richard THROCKMORTON of Higham Ferrers, Northamptonshire, her
father's arms did not impale his, nor do the THROCKMORTON arms appear
quartered in their children and grandchildren's arms.

This is unusual to me, because those BUTLERS were armorial whores!
Check out the visitations of Worcester, then Bedford, then Essex, and
finally Kent. You'll see that Butler of Sharnbrook quartered five or
six different maternal arms by 1566. George and Mary's son John BUTLER
of Thobie in Essex impaled his wife's ELLIOTT arms when he married
her. Their sons Sir Oliver and John both impaled their wives arms upon
their marriages. These people were not afraid to display good
marriages on armorial achievements!

It looks to me as though George married UP when he married Mary
THROCKMORTON, grandaughter of Sir Robert. So, why in heaven's name
would the THROCKMORTON arms be the ONLY arms that this family never
got around to quartering? I have to wonnder if the THROCKMORTON's avid
catholicism might have made George downplay the family connection.

Is anybody familiar enough with these families in this area (Worcester
and Bedfordshire) and this period (George and Mary probably married
about 1530) to venture any guesses?

Just terribly curious
Jon Stallard

Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: THROCKMORTON/ BUTLER marriage

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 09 sep 2004 14:18:31

In message of 9 Sep, stallard@cavtel.net wrote:

Hello, all

So, I'm looking over my BUTLER notes, and I notice something odd; when
George BUTLER of Droitwich and later Sharnbrook married Mary, daughter
of Richard THROCKMORTON of Higham Ferrers, Northamptonshire, her
father's arms did not impale his, nor do the THROCKMORTON arms appear
quartered in their children and grandchildren's arms.

This is unusual to me, because those BUTLERS were armorial whores!
Check out the visitations of Worcester, then Bedford, then Essex, and
finally Kent. You'll see that Butler of Sharnbrook quartered five or
six different maternal arms by 1566. George and Mary's son John BUTLER
of Thobie in Essex impaled his wife's ELLIOTT arms when he married
her.

If your wife's father is armigerous, you can always impale his arms with
yours.

Their sons Sir Oliver and John both impaled their wives arms upon
their marriages. These people were not afraid to display good
marriages on armorial achievements!

Nothing good or bad about it. Just a matter of whether the wife's
father had some arms around.

It looks to me as though George married UP when he married Mary
THROCKMORTON, grandaughter of Sir Robert. So, why in heaven's name
would the THROCKMORTON arms be the ONLY arms that this family never
got around to quartering?

Was Mary an heraldic heiress? It sounds as if she wasn't, hence the
lack of quartering.

I have to wonnder if the THROCKMORTON's avid catholicism might have made
George downplay the family connection.

He may have been totally right not to quarter Mary's arms. But if
Mary's father had arms, then he would have been totally right to impale
those arms with his.

Is anybody familiar enough with these families in this area (Worcester
and Bedfordshire) and this period (George and Mary probably married
about 1530) to venture any guesses?


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