Review of Douglas Richardson's book, Plantagenet ancestry: a
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John Brandon
Review of Douglas Richardson's book, Plantagenet ancestry: a
Since I've used this thread to post vital dates for other members of
the Hawes family (Edmund-A Hawes and his mother, Ursula Colles Hawes),
I may as well point out the extracted baptismal record in the IGI for
Jane Porter, wife of Edmund Hawes, and mother of Edmund Hawes,
immigrant to the Plymouth Colony in New England.
Frant, Sussex
8 April 1577, Jane Porter, daughter of Richard
The biographical sketch of her father, Richard Porter, in P.W. Hasler,
ed., _The History of Parliament: The House of Commons, 1558-1603_,
3:237, says that his will of 1584 mentions the poor of Frant and
Lamberhurst. Jane Porter's grandfather had managed the Frant
ironworks of Viscount Montagu, as well.
the Hawes family (Edmund-A Hawes and his mother, Ursula Colles Hawes),
I may as well point out the extracted baptismal record in the IGI for
Jane Porter, wife of Edmund Hawes, and mother of Edmund Hawes,
immigrant to the Plymouth Colony in New England.
Frant, Sussex
8 April 1577, Jane Porter, daughter of Richard
The biographical sketch of her father, Richard Porter, in P.W. Hasler,
ed., _The History of Parliament: The House of Commons, 1558-1603_,
3:237, says that his will of 1584 mentions the poor of Frant and
Lamberhurst. Jane Porter's grandfather had managed the Frant
ironworks of Viscount Montagu, as well.
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John Brandon
Re: Review of Douglas Richardson's book, Plantagenet ancestr
Noticed a source that confirms and adds to Doug's "Cromer" line
(ancestral to John Fisher of Virginia). I'll quote the relevant
generations from Doug's text for the sake of comparison:
p. 247--
16. MARGARET WHETENHALL, married THOMAS ROYDON, Esq., of Roydon-Hall
(in East Peckham) and Hadlow, Kent, Justice of the Peace of Kent, 2nd
son of Thomas Roydon, of Roydon-Hall. They had three sons and five
daughters. In 1515 he was in the retinue of George Neville, Lord
Bergavenny. In 1520 he was a feoffee for his father-in-law, William
Whetenhall, and in 1530 for George Neville, Lord Bergavenny. THOMAS
ROYDON, Esq., died circa 1557-8 (date of _IPM_).
17. ELIZABETH ROYDON, married (1st) WILLIAM TWISDEN, Esq., of Wye and
Chelmington, Kent, son and heir of Roger Twysden, Esq., of Wye and
Chelmington, Kent, by Jane, daughter of Christopher Cooper, of Stone,
Kent. They had one son, Roger, and two daughters, Bennet and
Margaret. WILLIAM TWISDEN, Esq., died testate (P.C.C. 13 Coode) in
1550. His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) before 1555 Cuthbert
Vaughan, of Great Chart, Kent, Queen's servant (died 1563-4).
Sometime after 1558 she was co-heiress to her brother, William Roydon,
by which she inherited the manors of Roydon Hall (in East Peckham) and
Hadlow, Kent. She married (3rd) before 9 Oct. 1565 Thomas Goldinge,
Knt., of St. Paul's Belchamp, Essex, Sheriff of Essex and
Hertfordshire (died 1571). In 1565 they settled the manor of
Eastbridge, Kent on themselves for life, with remainder to her
daughter and son-in-law, Richard and Margaret Dering. Elizabeth died
circa 1594/5 (date of _IPMs_.).
A.R. Cook's _A Manor Through Four Centuries_ (Oxford University Press,
1938), allows us to tighten up a few details--
p. 41: Thomas Roydon and Margaret Whetenhall were married ca. 1509.
p. 47: Margaret (Whetenhall) Roydon died testate and was buried at
East Peckham, Kent, 23 June 1576.
p. 72: Elizabeth Roydon was born ca. 1523.
p. 61: William Twisden and Elizabeth Roydon were married 1541.
p. 64: William Twisden died 26 Nov. 1549.
p. 66: Cuthbert Vaughan and Elizabeth Roydon Twisden were married
1551.
p. 70: Cuthbert Vaughan died July 1563.
p. 70: Sir Thomas Golding and Elizabeth Roydon-Twisden-Vaughan were
married in May 1564 at Great Chart, Kent.
p. 72: Elizabeth (Roydon) (Twisden) (Vaughan) Golding died 19 Aug.
1595, aged 72, and was buried in Peckham Church, Kent (her M.I. is
given verbatim).
There is a very nice reproduction of a portrait of Elizabeth Roydon
Twisden etc. between pp. 60-61.
I also noticed a very good pedigree chart of the Dering family in
Cussans' _History of Hertfordshire_, vol. 2, part 3, p. 208 (it shows
Bennet Dering, who married John Fisher).
(ancestral to John Fisher of Virginia). I'll quote the relevant
generations from Doug's text for the sake of comparison:
p. 247--
16. MARGARET WHETENHALL, married THOMAS ROYDON, Esq., of Roydon-Hall
(in East Peckham) and Hadlow, Kent, Justice of the Peace of Kent, 2nd
son of Thomas Roydon, of Roydon-Hall. They had three sons and five
daughters. In 1515 he was in the retinue of George Neville, Lord
Bergavenny. In 1520 he was a feoffee for his father-in-law, William
Whetenhall, and in 1530 for George Neville, Lord Bergavenny. THOMAS
ROYDON, Esq., died circa 1557-8 (date of _IPM_).
17. ELIZABETH ROYDON, married (1st) WILLIAM TWISDEN, Esq., of Wye and
Chelmington, Kent, son and heir of Roger Twysden, Esq., of Wye and
Chelmington, Kent, by Jane, daughter of Christopher Cooper, of Stone,
Kent. They had one son, Roger, and two daughters, Bennet and
Margaret. WILLIAM TWISDEN, Esq., died testate (P.C.C. 13 Coode) in
1550. His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) before 1555 Cuthbert
Vaughan, of Great Chart, Kent, Queen's servant (died 1563-4).
Sometime after 1558 she was co-heiress to her brother, William Roydon,
by which she inherited the manors of Roydon Hall (in East Peckham) and
Hadlow, Kent. She married (3rd) before 9 Oct. 1565 Thomas Goldinge,
Knt., of St. Paul's Belchamp, Essex, Sheriff of Essex and
Hertfordshire (died 1571). In 1565 they settled the manor of
Eastbridge, Kent on themselves for life, with remainder to her
daughter and son-in-law, Richard and Margaret Dering. Elizabeth died
circa 1594/5 (date of _IPMs_.).
A.R. Cook's _A Manor Through Four Centuries_ (Oxford University Press,
1938), allows us to tighten up a few details--
p. 41: Thomas Roydon and Margaret Whetenhall were married ca. 1509.
p. 47: Margaret (Whetenhall) Roydon died testate and was buried at
East Peckham, Kent, 23 June 1576.
p. 72: Elizabeth Roydon was born ca. 1523.
p. 61: William Twisden and Elizabeth Roydon were married 1541.
p. 64: William Twisden died 26 Nov. 1549.
p. 66: Cuthbert Vaughan and Elizabeth Roydon Twisden were married
1551.
p. 70: Cuthbert Vaughan died July 1563.
p. 70: Sir Thomas Golding and Elizabeth Roydon-Twisden-Vaughan were
married in May 1564 at Great Chart, Kent.
p. 72: Elizabeth (Roydon) (Twisden) (Vaughan) Golding died 19 Aug.
1595, aged 72, and was buried in Peckham Church, Kent (her M.I. is
given verbatim).
There is a very nice reproduction of a portrait of Elizabeth Roydon
Twisden etc. between pp. 60-61.
I also noticed a very good pedigree chart of the Dering family in
Cussans' _History of Hertfordshire_, vol. 2, part 3, p. 208 (it shows
Bennet Dering, who married John Fisher).
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Tim Powys-Lybbe
Re: Review of Douglas Richardson's book, Plantagenet ancestr
In message of 21 Aug, starbuck95@hotmail.com (John Brandon) wrote:
Raydon Hall - and not to be confused with a house built by his son
Thomas called Fortune and (much) later called Roydon Hall in East
Peckham, Kent. Raydon Hall was in Essex. And there is also a place
called Raydon or Reydon in Suffolk that was owned by ancestors.
"In the retinue"? He contributed 91 men in 1514 to the muster of Geo,
ld Bergavenny.
Thomas died on 10 Aug 1557.
Twysden
Plus a second daughter Katherine
Twysden
14 Nov 1549
His will in on http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk Look for
Twysden in 1500-1599
12 May 1565
She inherited shares with her four sisters and later bought them out of
the East Peckham property, the mansion of which was then called Fortune.
On 25 May 1564
19 Aug 1595
(Now for John's comments.)
Might I refer also to E B Royden's enormously thorough research work
"Three Royden Families" published 1924 and printed by R & R Clark of
Edinburgh? (I put the raw genealogy on my site on the 29th of June:
http://www.south-frm.demon.co.uk/roydon/roydon.html )
Table on p. 32-33: c. 1510. And P. 83: m. before 6 Aug 1511 when Thos
R. made a deed to perform some covenants of his marriage (settlement
presumably). Whetenhall was also spelt "Wheatnall" and "Whetenhal".
P. 86, and note 18 on p. 93: agreed. Her will survives: PCC, 22 Carew
and on http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk - look for Roydon or
Roydone in the range 1500-1599.
p. 89: She was 42 in 1565.
I suspect they married before that as their first daughter Bennett was
born c. 1539 (baptised at Wye on 20 Nov 1539, died an infant), their
second born in 1541 (baptised at Wye on 4 Aug 1541, died an infant) and
their only son on 19 Sep 1542. (All from "The Family of Twysden and
Twisden" by J R Twisden, pub Murray in 1939, page 67.)
p. 89: he died 19 Nov 1549, confirmed by the above Twysden book.
It should be noted that he spelt his name "Twysden". This can be seen
(a) on the above wills-on-line site for his will and (b) on a photograph
of the memorial to Elizabeth Golding (née Roydon) opp. p. 91.
Twysden
The Twysden book says they were married on 30th Sept 1550 at Wye (Kent).
p. 90: agreed
p. 90: 25 May 1564. Her second husband owned property at Great Chart,
which is perhaps why she married her third there.
Hence her birth around 1523.
Opp p. 91: "East Peckham". Peckham is in London, to the South-East of
the Isle of Dogs.
If the verbatim does not spell it "Twysden" then they can't read! It's
a very fine monument though - well worth a look.
Twysden
The portrait survives, is owned by the Kent Archaeological Society and
is to be seen at Bradbourne Hall, East Malling, Kent (by permission of
the owners). (I saw it last month and it needs a good clean!)
Derings are in the Kent Visitations of 1574, 1592 and 1619.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
Noticed a source that confirms and adds to Doug's "Cromer" line
(ancestral to John Fisher of Virginia). I'll quote the relevant
generations from Doug's text for the sake of comparison:
p. 247--
16. MARGARET WHETENHALL, married THOMAS ROYDON, Esq., of Roydon-Hall
(in East Peckham) and Hadlow, Kent, Justice of the Peace of Kent, 2nd
son of Thomas Roydon, of Roydon-Hall.
Raydon Hall - and not to be confused with a house built by his son
Thomas called Fortune and (much) later called Roydon Hall in East
Peckham, Kent. Raydon Hall was in Essex. And there is also a place
called Raydon or Reydon in Suffolk that was owned by ancestors.
They had three sons and five daughters. In 1515 he was in the
retinue of George Neville, Lord Bergavenny.
"In the retinue"? He contributed 91 men in 1514 to the muster of Geo,
ld Bergavenny.
In 1520 he was a feoffee for his father-in-law, William Whetenhall,
and in 1530 for George Neville, Lord Bergavenny. THOMAS ROYDON,
Esq., died circa 1557-8 (date of _IPM_).
Thomas died on 10 Aug 1557.
17. ELIZABETH ROYDON, married (1st) WILLIAM TWISDEN,
Twysden
Esq., of Wye and
Chelmington, Kent, son and heir of Roger Twysden, Esq., of Wye and
Chelmington, Kent, by Jane, daughter of Christopher Cooper, of Stone,
Kent. They had one son, Roger, and two daughters, Bennet and
Margaret.
Plus a second daughter Katherine
WILLIAM TWISDEN,
Twysden
Esq., died testate (P.C.C. 13 Coode) in 1550.
14 Nov 1549
His will in on http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk Look for
Twysden in 1500-1599
His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) before 1555 Cuthbert Vaughan, of
Great Chart, Kent, Queen's servant (died 1563-4). Sometime after 1558
12 May 1565
she was co-heiress to her brother, William Roydon, by which she
inherited the manors of Roydon Hall (in East Peckham) and Hadlow,
Kent.
She inherited shares with her four sisters and later bought them out of
the East Peckham property, the mansion of which was then called Fortune.
She married (3rd) before 9 Oct. 1565
On 25 May 1564
Thomas Goldinge, Knt., of St. Paul's Belchamp,
Essex, Sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire (died 1571). In 1565 they
settled the manor of Eastbridge, Kent on themselves for life, with
remainder to her daughter and son-in-law, Richard and Margaret
Dering. Elizabeth died circa 1594/5 (date of _IPMs_.).
19 Aug 1595
(Now for John's comments.)
A.R. Cook's _A Manor Through Four Centuries_ (Oxford University Press,
1938), allows us to tighten up a few details--
Might I refer also to E B Royden's enormously thorough research work
"Three Royden Families" published 1924 and printed by R & R Clark of
Edinburgh? (I put the raw genealogy on my site on the 29th of June:
http://www.south-frm.demon.co.uk/roydon/roydon.html )
p. 41: Thomas Roydon and Margaret Whetenhall were married ca. 1509.
Table on p. 32-33: c. 1510. And P. 83: m. before 6 Aug 1511 when Thos
R. made a deed to perform some covenants of his marriage (settlement
presumably). Whetenhall was also spelt "Wheatnall" and "Whetenhal".
p. 47: Margaret (Whetenhall) Roydon died testate and was buried at
East Peckham, Kent, 23 June 1576.
P. 86, and note 18 on p. 93: agreed. Her will survives: PCC, 22 Carew
and on http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk - look for Roydon or
Roydone in the range 1500-1599.
p. 72: Elizabeth Roydon was born ca. 1523.
p. 89: She was 42 in 1565.
p. 61: William Twisden and Elizabeth Roydon were married 1541.
I suspect they married before that as their first daughter Bennett was
born c. 1539 (baptised at Wye on 20 Nov 1539, died an infant), their
second born in 1541 (baptised at Wye on 4 Aug 1541, died an infant) and
their only son on 19 Sep 1542. (All from "The Family of Twysden and
Twisden" by J R Twisden, pub Murray in 1939, page 67.)
p. 64: William Twisden died 26 Nov. 1549.
p. 89: he died 19 Nov 1549, confirmed by the above Twysden book.
It should be noted that he spelt his name "Twysden". This can be seen
(a) on the above wills-on-line site for his will and (b) on a photograph
of the memorial to Elizabeth Golding (née Roydon) opp. p. 91.
p. 66: Cuthbert Vaughan and Elizabeth Roydon Twisden
Twysden
were married 1551.
The Twysden book says they were married on 30th Sept 1550 at Wye (Kent).
p. 70: Cuthbert Vaughan died July 1563.
p. 90: agreed
p. 70: Sir Thomas Golding and Elizabeth Roydon-Twisden-Vaughan were
married in May 1564 at Great Chart, Kent.
p. 90: 25 May 1564. Her second husband owned property at Great Chart,
which is perhaps why she married her third there.
p. 72: Elizabeth (Roydon) (Twisden) (Vaughan) Golding died 19 Aug.
1595, aged 72,
Hence her birth around 1523.
and was buried in Peckham Church,
Opp p. 91: "East Peckham". Peckham is in London, to the South-East of
the Isle of Dogs.
Kent (her M.I. is given verbatim).
If the verbatim does not spell it "Twysden" then they can't read! It's
a very fine monument though - well worth a look.
There is a very nice reproduction of a portrait of Elizabeth Roydon
Twisden
Twysden
etc. between pp. 60-61.
The portrait survives, is owned by the Kent Archaeological Society and
is to be seen at Bradbourne Hall, East Malling, Kent (by permission of
the owners). (I saw it last month and it needs a good clean!)
I also noticed a very good pedigree chart of the Dering family in
Cussans' _History of Hertfordshire_, vol. 2, part 3, p. 208 (it shows
Bennet Dering, who married John Fisher).
Derings are in the Kent Visitations of 1574, 1592 and 1619.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
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John Brandon
Re: Review of Douglas Richardson's book, Plantagenet ancestr
Surely Twisden v. Twysden is not a difference that makes a difference
in this time period, but thank you for posting further corrections.
Arthur Cook mentions E.B. Royden's work in his book--strange he didn't
get more things (exactly) right...
in this time period, but thank you for posting further corrections.
Arthur Cook mentions E.B. Royden's work in his book--strange he didn't
get more things (exactly) right...
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Tim Powys-Lybbe
Re: Review of Douglas Richardson's book, Plantagenet ancestr
In message of 21 Aug, starbuck95@hotmail.com (John Brandon) wrote:
Yes it does. There was a separate family of Twisden, albeit descended
from the Twysdens. The Twisdens deliberately spelt their name
differently so that they would not be confused with the senior branch.
Perhaps he was careless and did not realise that Royden had gone back to
source documents right the way through, many of which he quoted in his
book. Cook's book was altogether a chattier work (from my memory of
examining it a year or so back). In any case Cook was recounting the
history of a house, rather than the history of a family.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
Surely Twisden v. Twysden is not a difference that makes a difference
in this time period, but thank you for posting further corrections.
Yes it does. There was a separate family of Twisden, albeit descended
from the Twysdens. The Twisdens deliberately spelt their name
differently so that they would not be confused with the senior branch.
Arthur Cook mentions E.B. Royden's work in his book--strange he didn't
get more things (exactly) right...
Perhaps he was careless and did not realise that Royden had gone back to
source documents right the way through, many of which he quoted in his
book. Cook's book was altogether a chattier work (from my memory of
examining it a year or so back). In any case Cook was recounting the
history of a house, rather than the history of a family.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Review of Douglas Richardson's book, Plantagenet ancestr
Useful Distinctions.
DSH
"Tim Powys-Lybbe" <tim@powys.org> wrote in message
news:7de330e24c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk...
| In message of 21 Aug, starbuck95@hotmail.com (John Brandon) wrote:
|
| > Surely Twisden v. Twysden is not a difference that makes a
difference
| > in this time period, but thank you for posting further corrections.
|
| Yes it does. There was a separate family of Twisden, albeit descended
| from the Twysdens. The Twisdens deliberately spelt their name
| differently so that they would not be confused with the senior branch.
|
| > Arthur Cook mentions E.B. Royden's work in his book--strange he
didn't
| > get more things (exactly) right...
|
| Perhaps he was careless and did not realise that Royden had gone back
to
| source documents right the way through, many of which he quoted in his
| book. Cook's book was altogether a chattier work (from my memory of
| examining it a year or so back). In any case Cook was recounting the
| history of a house, rather than the history of a family.
|
| --
| Tim Powys-Lybbe
tim@powys.org
| For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
DSH
"Tim Powys-Lybbe" <tim@powys.org> wrote in message
news:7de330e24c.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk...
| In message of 21 Aug, starbuck95@hotmail.com (John Brandon) wrote:
|
| > Surely Twisden v. Twysden is not a difference that makes a
difference
| > in this time period, but thank you for posting further corrections.
|
| Yes it does. There was a separate family of Twisden, albeit descended
| from the Twysdens. The Twisdens deliberately spelt their name
| differently so that they would not be confused with the senior branch.
|
| > Arthur Cook mentions E.B. Royden's work in his book--strange he
didn't
| > get more things (exactly) right...
|
| Perhaps he was careless and did not realise that Royden had gone back
to
| source documents right the way through, many of which he quoted in his
| book. Cook's book was altogether a chattier work (from my memory of
| examining it a year or so back). In any case Cook was recounting the
| history of a house, rather than the history of a family.
|
| --
| Tim Powys-Lybbe
tim@powys.org
| For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
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Ann Sharp
ANCESTRY of RICHARD III
If anyone's interested, eBay is offering a Work described as : RARE ROYALTY
GENEALOGY Book ANCESTRY of RICHARD III by Ernst-Friedrich Kraentzler. It's
a collection of pedigree charts tracing Richard III genealogically back to
Adam.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... 5515384280
I've had my entertainment from its descriptive phrase "Richard Plantagenet
and Cecily de Neville (the parents of Richard the Lion-Hearted)"
L.P.H.,
Ann
GENEALOGY Book ANCESTRY of RICHARD III by Ernst-Friedrich Kraentzler. It's
a collection of pedigree charts tracing Richard III genealogically back to
Adam.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... 5515384280
I've had my entertainment from its descriptive phrase "Richard Plantagenet
and Cecily de Neville (the parents of Richard the Lion-Hearted)"
L.P.H.,
Ann
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Pierre Aronax
Re: ANCESTRY of RICHARD III
I think rather that it is David Hughes who is binding.
Pierre
"Gordon Banks" <geb@gordonbanks.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:1093202268.16447.1.camel@localhost.localdomain...
Pierre
"Gordon Banks" <geb@gordonbanks.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:1093202268.16447.1.camel@localhost.localdomain...
It's up to $100 already. David Hughes may be right. There is money in
this business.
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 23:22, Ann Sharp wrote:
If anyone's interested, eBay is offering a Work described as : RARE
ROYALTY
GENEALOGY Book ANCESTRY of RICHARD III by Ernst-Friedrich Kraentzler.
It's
a collection of pedigree charts tracing Richard III genealogically back
to
Adam.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... 5515384280
I've had my entertainment from its descriptive phrase "Richard
Plantagenet
and Cecily de Neville (the parents of Richard the Lion-Hearted)"
L.P.H.,
Ann
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Gordon Banks
Re: ANCESTRY of RICHARD III
It's up to $100 already. David Hughes may be right. There is money in
this business.
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 23:22, Ann Sharp wrote:
this business.
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 23:22, Ann Sharp wrote:
If anyone's interested, eBay is offering a Work described as : RARE ROYALTY
GENEALOGY Book ANCESTRY of RICHARD III by Ernst-Friedrich Kraentzler. It's
a collection of pedigree charts tracing Richard III genealogically back to
Adam.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... 5515384280
I've had my entertainment from its descriptive phrase "Richard Plantagenet
and Cecily de Neville (the parents of Richard the Lion-Hearted)"
L.P.H.,
Ann
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KaySlainte
Re: ANCESTRY of RICHARD III
Where does that leave Henry 11 & Eleanor? With misinformation like that, who
would purchase this book?
would purchase this book?
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Ann Sharp
Re: ANCESTRY of RICHARD III
Kay:
Ann again:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... eName=WDVW
The picture of the first pedigree chart shows plainly that "Richard III,
King of England" is identified as the son of "Richard, Earl of
Gloucester" -- whoever HE may have been! with the correct b/m/d information
for Richard, Duke of York -- and Cecily de Neville. Cecily is the daughter
of "Lady Joan" Beaufort.
It's the seller who has described Richard and Cecily as the parents of
Richard the Lion-Hearted, not the compiler, though just that first page
suggests to me that Kraentzler is a bit careless with titles
In any case, there is always SOMEONE -- in this case, seven someones so
far -- who will buy a book about royal genealogy, no matter how awful.
Just think; you could buy the book and use it as a reference writing the
great historical novel, and the worst that would happen is that you might
have to re-shelve the book under Alternate History/Fantasy.
L.P.H.,
Ann
Where does that leave Henry II & Eleanor? With misinformation
like that, who would purchase this book?
Ann again:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... eName=WDVW
The picture of the first pedigree chart shows plainly that "Richard III,
King of England" is identified as the son of "Richard, Earl of
Gloucester" -- whoever HE may have been! with the correct b/m/d information
for Richard, Duke of York -- and Cecily de Neville. Cecily is the daughter
of "Lady Joan" Beaufort.
It's the seller who has described Richard and Cecily as the parents of
Richard the Lion-Hearted, not the compiler, though just that first page
suggests to me that Kraentzler is a bit careless with titles
In any case, there is always SOMEONE -- in this case, seven someones so
far -- who will buy a book about royal genealogy, no matter how awful.
Just think; you could buy the book and use it as a reference writing the
great historical novel, and the worst that would happen is that you might
have to re-shelve the book under Alternate History/Fantasy.
L.P.H.,
Ann