How Far Can we Go Back?

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How Far Can we Go Back?

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 16 feb 2008 20:35:40

Sir Iain Moncreiffe was an flamboyant and fascinating genealogist. I do not know how many have seen his "Royal Highness", publishhed before Prince William was born, but on page 48 and 49 is information which I wonder whether we can extend even further.

Page 48 gives a genealogical line which starts with Vologaeses V, Grand King of Parthia, including Persia and Babylonia, he appears to have been born in the year 145, died about 208.

Page 49 The Great King Vologaeses V himself was the 36th monarch of the male line of the mighty Arsacid dynasty, founded in 249 BC etc.

The above sentence does not mean there were 36 generations before him, just 36 monarchs of that family, but can we find his father, grandfather, and so on?

And yes, amongst his descendants are Gateway Ancestors,
Capt John West, Hon. George Percy, Herbert Pelham, Elizabeth Bosville, Hon. Ann Arundell, Col. Edward Digges, Katherine St.Leger, Francis Champernoun, Jean Baptiste Donatien de Vimeur comtedeRochambeau, Anne Humphrey, Anne Boteler, Charles Calvert Lord Baltimore, Edward Nott, Warham Horsmanden, St.Leger Codd, Maria Joanna Somerset, James Clifton, Joshua Henshaw, Thomas Hamilton, Susan Felton, Thomas Wingfield, Thomas Lechmere, Wiseman Clagett, William Tryon, Hon. Robert Monckton, John Nelson, Margaret Nelson, William Bladen, Lady Christina Stewart, Charles Stirling, Archibald Dunlop James Boyd and more.

Even by using genealogics it would be quite a task to establish how each of these descends from Vologaeses V, and therefor if you want to know, just ask me and with my own computer I will be able to make a lineage to him.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia .

pj.evans

Re: How Far Can we Go Back?

Legg inn av pj.evans » 16 feb 2008 21:44:02

On Feb 16, 11:35 am, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au>
wrote:
Sir Iain Moncreiffe was an flamboyant and fascinating genealogist. I do not know how many have seen his "Royal Highness", publishhed before Prince William was born, but on page 48 and 49 is information which I wonder whether we can extend even further.

Page 48  gives a genealogical line which starts with Vologaeses V, Grand King of Parthia, including Persia and Babylonia, he appears to have been born in the year 145, died about 208.

Page 49 The Great King Vologaeses V himself was the 36th monarch of the male line of the mighty Arsacid dynasty, founded in 249 BC etc.

The above sentence does not mean there were 36 generations before him, just 36 monarchs of that family, but can we find his father, grandfather, and so on?

And yes, amongst his descendants are Gateway Ancestors,
Capt John West, Hon. George Percy, Herbert Pelham, Elizabeth Bosville, Hon.. Ann Arundell, Col. Edward Digges, Katherine St.Leger, Francis Champernoun, Jean Baptiste Donatien de Vimeur comtedeRochambeau, Anne Humphrey, Anne Boteler, Charles Calvert Lord Baltimore, Edward Nott, Warham Horsmanden, St.Leger Codd, Maria Joanna Somerset, James Clifton, Joshua Henshaw, Thomas Hamilton, Susan Felton, Thomas Wingfield, Thomas Lechmere, Wiseman Clagett, William Tryon, Hon. Robert Monckton, John Nelson, Margaret Nelson, William Bladen, Lady Christina Stewart, Charles Stirling, Archibald Dunlop James Boyd and more.

Even by using genealogics it would be quite a task to establish how each of these descends from Vologaeses V, and therefor if you want to know, just ask me and with my own computer I will be able to make a lineage to him.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia     .  

You might want to look at _Nos ancetres de l'antiquite_ by Settipani,
which covers this possible line. He indicates, if I understand
correctly, that it's probable but not proven (and likely not provable).

norenxaq

Re: How Far Can we Go Back?

Legg inn av norenxaq » 16 feb 2008 21:57:28

pj.evans wrote:

On Feb 16, 11:35 am, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au
wrote:


Sir Iain Moncreiffe was an flamboyant and fascinating genealogist. I do not know how many have seen his "Royal Highness", publishhed before Prince William was born, but on page 48 and 49 is information which I wonder whether we can extend even further.

Page 48 gives a genealogical line which starts with Vologaeses V, Grand King of Parthia, including Persia and Babylonia, he appears to have been born in the year 145, died about 208.

Page 49 The Great King Vologaeses V himself was the 36th monarch of the male line of the mighty Arsacid dynasty, founded in 249 BC etc.



You might want to look at _Nos ancetres de l'antiquite_ by Settipani,
which covers this possible line. He indicates, if I understand
correctly, that it's probable but not proven (and likely not provable).





Settipani shows the following lineage p.83:

Vonones II 10 bc-51 ad
Vologaeses I 25-77
Vologaeses II 50-79 (possible son)
Vologaeses III 75-146 (possible son)
Vologaeses IV 115-190 (possible son)

Gjest

Re: How Far Can we Go Back?

Legg inn av Gjest » 17 feb 2008 00:40:04

On Feb 17, 7:41 am, "pj.evans" <pj.evans....@usa.net> wrote:
On Feb 16, 11:35 am, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au
wrote:





Sir Iain Moncreiffe was an flamboyant and fascinating genealogist. I do not know how many have seen his "Royal Highness", publishhed before Prince William was born, but on page 48 and 49 is information which I wonder whether we can extend even further.

Page 48  gives a genealogical line which starts with Vologaeses V, Grand King of Parthia, including Persia and Babylonia, he appears to have been born in the year 145, died about 208.

Page 49 The Great King Vologaeses V himself was the 36th monarch of the male line of the mighty Arsacid dynasty, founded in 249 BC etc.

The above sentence does not mean there were 36 generations before him, just 36 monarchs of that family, but can we find his father, grandfather, and so on?

And yes, amongst his descendants are Gateway Ancestors,
Capt John West, Hon. George Percy, Herbert Pelham, Elizabeth Bosville, Hon. Ann Arundell, Col. Edward Digges, Katherine St.Leger, Francis Champernoun, Jean Baptiste Donatien de Vimeur comtedeRochambeau, Anne Humphrey, Anne Boteler, Charles Calvert Lord Baltimore, Edward Nott, Warham Horsmanden, St.Leger Codd, Maria Joanna Somerset, James Clifton, Joshua Henshaw, Thomas Hamilton, Susan Felton, Thomas Wingfield, Thomas Lechmere, Wiseman Clagett, William Tryon, Hon. Robert Monckton, John Nelson, Margaret Nelson, William Bladen, Lady Christina Stewart, Charles Stirling, Archibald Dunlop James Boyd and more.

Even by using genealogics it would be quite a task to establish how each of these descends from Vologaeses V, and therefor if you want to know, just ask me and with my own computer I will be able to make a lineage to him.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia     .  

You might want to look at _Nos ancetres de l'antiquite_ by Settipani,
which covers this possible line. He indicates, if I understand
correctly, that it's probable but not proven (and likely not provable)

Sir Anthony Wagner also spent time examining the possibilities based
on this line - in 'Pedigrees and Progress', I seem to recall.

MA-R

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