Dear Newsgroup ~
Certain readers may be wondering, which newsgroup? Since this brief
message is in fact cross-posted to several relevant newsgroups, there
may be some who think that I ought to employ a plural form. To those
friends and colleagues I should perhaps explain the meaning of the
tilde, that little post-salutation squiggle which gives me such a
delicious frisson every time I type it. The symbol ~ is in fact the
scholarly abbreviation for "or whatever".
The topic on which I have chosen to enlighten interested parties today,
drawing once again on my never-draining fount of genealogical
illumination, is the parentage of William Longuebite, 3rd Earl of
Sarumsbury. The father, of course, is no problem, since William was
acknowledged as a natural son of Henrici, as he is known in the original
sources, although the modern scholarly convention is to refer to him as
Henry II. A much appreciated message from my learned friend in Hawaii
reliably informs me that Henry's rather odd looking surname, II, should
not be read as "Aye, Aye" but as "The Second" or (in the Welsh form)
"Curtmantle".
The identity of William's mother was long a mystery to historians.
Inexplicably, even the authoritative Complete Peersiflage, 6 (1926):
357-359 (sub Terfuge) admits defeat, but I am now modestly happy to be
able to announce my solution to the puzzle. The full evidence will be
presented in my forthcoming article, but here I can reveal that she is
none other than the "Comitissa Ada, mater mea" named in a charter by
William Longuebite (see Cartulary of Brazencheke Priory, 188). As I have
conclusively proved elsewhere, Comitissa was a popular given name in
medieval England, while the surname Ada is an obvious corruption of Ala,
genetive Alan, and is thus synonymous with the Fitzalan name that
totally vanished from history with the death of this Comitissa Ada, only
child of Edmund "Kingsize" Fitzalan, Knt., and Amy "Hissy" Fitzknightley.
Since arriving at that conclusion, I have been reminded of the existence
of an interesting chronicle in volume 48 of that excellent source MGH
(Monumentally Grandiloquent Histrionics). For this reference I am
indirectly indebted to my daughter, who is presently going out with a
scholar and a gentleman. It was the former of these two suitors who
kindly drew my attention to this record, which may be viewed at the
following weblink:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Bb5tkX ... qml9p9k8d4
For interest's sake, I quote here the relevant passage in its entirety:
"Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do
eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad
minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip
ex ea commodo consequat. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident,
sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. Is anyone
still awake out there? Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur
adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore
magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco
laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Excepteur sint occaecat
cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim
id est laborum. I may decide to set an exam on this. Lorem ipsum dolor
sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt
ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud
exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat.
Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui
officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum Idae Chaudmont, qui erat
mater Googlielmi Longidicci et postea uxor Rogeri comitis Norpopuli."
From this I think it is beyond doubt that William Longuebite's mother
was none other than the Ida de Hotmount who later married Roger "the
Lodger" le Bigsod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk. Full details will be presented
in my fifthcoming article, but I think that the self-named Lion of SGM,
Leo van de Paws, should already consider correcting his database on this
point.
Some enthusiastic posters might be curious as to how this new claim
squares with my previous and no less confident identification of
William's mother as Comitissa Ada/Fitzalan. To them I may safely say
that both assertions are equally correct. Although the second claim is
slightly more correct than my previous one, it by no means implies that
the first claim was erroneous, much less that I should withdraw it. As I
intend to demonstrate in my sixthcoming article, it is not uncommon for
great men to have more than one mother. I myself acknowledge several
mothers.
Since we are all here to make friends share information, your comments
are invited, indeed, you are welcome to do extensive research on my
behalf. However, when replying, please remember that it is only phair to
cite your sources and provide weblinks if you have them. Otherwise,
you'll probably find that our reaction is the classical one: ignoramus.
Best always, never bested ~
Dugless Dickson, Grand Stand City, Adaho
Willie Longuebite and the women who bore him - Another cure
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
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Gjest
Re: Willie Longuebite and the women who bore him - Another c
On Feb 14, 6:54 am, Dugless Dickson <letiTiAfl...@gmail.com> wrote:
Et tu, Fluff?
MA-R
Dear Newsgroup ~
Certain readers may be wondering, which newsgroup? Since this brief
message is in fact cross-posted to several relevant newsgroups, there
may be some who think that I ought to employ a plural form. To those
friends and colleagues I should perhaps explain the meaning of the
tilde, that little post-salutation squiggle which gives me such a
delicious frisson every time I type it. The symbol ~ is in fact the
scholarly abbreviation for "or whatever".
The topic on which I have chosen to enlighten interested parties today,
drawing once again on my never-draining fount of genealogical
illumination, is the parentage of William Longuebite, 3rd Earl of
Sarumsbury. The father, of course, is no problem, since William was
acknowledged as a natural son of Henrici, as he is known in the original
sources, although the modern scholarly convention is to refer to him as
Henry II. A much appreciated message from my learned friend in Hawaii
reliably informs me that Henry's rather odd looking surname, II, should
not be read as "Aye, Aye" but as "The Second" or (in the Welsh form)
"Curtmantle".
The identity of William's mother was long a mystery to historians.
Inexplicably, even the authoritative Complete Peersiflage, 6 (1926):
357-359 (sub Terfuge) admits defeat, but I am now modestly happy to be
able to announce my solution to the puzzle. The full evidence will be
presented in my forthcoming article, but here I can reveal that she is
none other than the "Comitissa Ada, mater mea" named in a charter by
William Longuebite (see Cartulary of Brazencheke Priory, 188). As I have
conclusively proved elsewhere, Comitissa was a popular given name in
medieval England, while the surname Ada is an obvious corruption of Ala,
genetive Alan, and is thus synonymous with the Fitzalan name that
totally vanished from history with the death of this Comitissa Ada, only
child of Edmund "Kingsize" Fitzalan, Knt., and Amy "Hissy" Fitzknightley.
Since arriving at that conclusion, I have been reminded of the existence
of an interesting chronicle in volume 48 of that excellent source MGH
(Monumentally Grandiloquent Histrionics). For this reference I am
indirectly indebted to my daughter, who is presently going out with a
scholar and a gentleman. It was the former of these two suitors who
kindly drew my attention to this record, which may be viewed at the
following weblink:http://books.google.com/books?id=Bb5tkXkIvPAC&pg=PA1&sig=lblYEiHhapPX...
For interest's sake, I quote here the relevant passage in its entirety:
"Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do
eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad
minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip
ex ea commodo consequat. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident,
sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. Is anyone
still awake out there? Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur
adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore
magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco
laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Excepteur sint occaecat
cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim
id est laborum. I may decide to set an exam on this. Lorem ipsum dolor
sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt
ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud
exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat.
Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui
officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum Idae Chaudmont, qui erat
mater Googlielmi Longidicci et postea uxor Rogeri comitis Norpopuli."
From this I think it is beyond doubt that William Longuebite's mother
was none other than the Ida de Hotmount who later married Roger "the
Lodger" le Bigsod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk. Full details will be presented
in my fifthcoming article, but I think that the self-named Lion of SGM,
Leo van de Paws, should already consider correcting his database on this
point.
Some enthusiastic posters might be curious as to how this new claim
squares with my previous and no less confident identification of
William's mother as Comitissa Ada/Fitzalan. To them I may safely say
that both assertions are equally correct. Although the second claim is
slightly more correct than my previous one, it by no means implies that
the first claim was erroneous, much less that I should withdraw it. As I
intend to demonstrate in my sixthcoming article, it is not uncommon for
great men to have more than one mother. I myself acknowledge several
mothers.
Since we are all here to make friends share information, your comments
are invited, indeed, you are welcome to do extensive research on my
behalf. However, when replying, please remember that it is only phair to
cite your sources and provide weblinks if you have them. Otherwise,
you'll probably find that our reaction is the classical one: ignoramus.
Best always, never bested ~
Dugless Dickson, Grand Stand City, Adaho
Et tu, Fluff?
MA-R
-
wjhonson
Re: Willie Longuebite and the women who bore him - Another c
On Feb 13, 11:54 am, Dugless Dickson <letiTiAfl...@gmail.com> wrote:
And of course the triple squiggle ~~~
Would mean "or... what EVER!" accompanied by flapping hands and
rolling eyes.
Amy "Hissy" from whom we get the expression "Hissy Fit"
Longidicci. You know children read this board! Shame on you.
This, in keeping with your track should read "Roger 'the Larger'..."
Some historians have puzzled over quite what this nickname meant. Ida
had no problems with it.
Will Johnson
Certain readers may be wondering, which newsgroup? Since this brief
message is in fact cross-posted to several relevant newsgroups, there
may be some who think that I ought to employ a plural form. To those
friends and colleagues I should perhaps explain the meaning of the
tilde, that little post-salutation squiggle which gives me such a
delicious frisson every time I type it. The symbol ~ is in fact the
scholarly abbreviation for "or whatever".
And of course the triple squiggle ~~~
Would mean "or... what EVER!" accompanied by flapping hands and
rolling eyes.
totally vanished from history with the death of this Comitissa Ada, only
child of Edmund "Kingsize" Fitzalan, Knt., and Amy "Hissy" Fitzknightley.
Amy "Hissy" from whom we get the expression "Hissy Fit"
"... ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat.
Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui
officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum Idae Chaudmont, qui erat
mater Googlielmi Longidicci et postea uxor Rogeri comitis Norpopuli."
Longidicci. You know children read this board! Shame on you.
From this I think it is beyond doubt that William Longuebite's mother
was none other than the Ida de Hotmount who later married Roger "the
Lodger" le Bigsod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk. Full details will be presented
in my fifthcoming article, but I think that the self-named Lion of SGM,
Leo van de Paws, should already consider correcting his database on this
point.
This, in keeping with your track should read "Roger 'the Larger'..."
Some historians have puzzled over quite what this nickname meant. Ida
had no problems with it.
Will Johnson