Jonathan Kirton has raised the interesting question of the Kirketons
of Lincolnshire.
Among the details he has provided is the following pedigree, taken
from the Patent Rolls of 1348:
1. Sir Alexander Bozon de Kirketon in Hoyland, knight [who died 1285
and buried at Grey Friars, London]; married Dionisia, daughter and
heiress of Ralph de St Paul, of Sibthorpe. Notts; issue:
2a. Ralph de Kirketon [who witnessed a charter of 1268, then called
'Dom. Ralph' and therefore likely a knight and presumably of age];
died without surviving issue
2b. Hugh de Kirketon; issue
3. Simon de Kirketon; issue
4a. John de Kirketon, died without surviving issue
4b. Joan de Kirketon, daughter and eventual coheiress; living in 3
Edward III [1329-1330]; dead by 21 Edward III [1337-1348]; married
John de Aslacton; no issue
4c. Alice de Kirketon, daughter and eventual coheiress; living in 3
Edward III; dead by 21 Edward III; married William de Flete, and left
issue
4d. Margaret de Kirketon, daughter and eventual coheiress; living in
21 Edward III; married John Chaumpeneys of Quappelade
There are other Kirketons who likely fit into this family, but whose
position is uncertain or unconfirmed.
Firstly, there is Isabel, the wife of Sir William de Staunton, of
Staunton, Notts (d 1326); according to Thoroton, she was still living
in 1312, when her husband made his will. Jonathan has cited Burke's
Commoners for the proposition that she was the sister of 'Sir Ralph de
Kirketon'.
As Jonathan has noted, it would be good to have a more solid
foundation for this assertion.
Additionally, there are Kirketons who feature in the ancestry of the
Loudham family of Notts. According to the archives, Peter de Kirketon
(d 1300) married Elizabeth, daughter of Sir William Woodthorpe; they
were the parents of Sir Robert de Kirketon (d c1303) who married
Beatrice de Driby and had a daughter, Alice (d 1344), wife
successively to Sir John Loudham (d c1318) and John le Bret.
Sir John Loudham (d c1318) had a daughter Joan (d 1366), and she
married Sir Geoffrey de Staunton (d 1369) - the grandson of Sir
William and Isabel de Staunton (above). If Sir Geoffrey's grandmother
was a de Kirketon, as was his wife Joan's mother, then (absent a
consanguinity issue) those two Kirketon families cannot have been
closely related.
MA-R
de Kirketon of Kirton in Holand, Lincs
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Gjest
Re: de Kirketon of Kirton in Holand, Lincs
On Feb 11, 9:17 am, mj...@btinternet.com wrote:
Here is something slightly better. Thoroton ('Antiquities of
Nottinghamshire', 1797, sub Newark Hundred, p 307) states that "Raph
de Kirketon, knight" gave his sister Isabel to Sir William de Staunton
in free-marriage, with "all his land, rents and services in Kilvington
and Wilberdeston, together with the right of patronage of the church
at Kilvington".
This indicates that the father of Sir Ralph and Isabel was dead at the
time of the latter's marriage to Sir William de Staunton; assuming
that this was Sir Alexander de Kirketon, who had a son Ralph, then
this marriage can be dated to after his death in 1285. Thhis
chronology would be in keeping with what is already known of the
Staunton and Kirketon families.
MA-R
There are other Kirketons who likely fit into this family, but whose
position is uncertain or unconfirmed.
Firstly, there is Isabel, the wife of Sir William de Staunton, of
Staunton, Notts (d 1326); according to Thoroton, she was still living
in 1312, when her husband made his will. Jonathan has cited Burke's
Commoners for the proposition that she was the sister of 'Sir Ralph de
Kirketon'.
As Jonathan has noted, it would be good to have a more solid
foundation for this assertion.
Here is something slightly better. Thoroton ('Antiquities of
Nottinghamshire', 1797, sub Newark Hundred, p 307) states that "Raph
de Kirketon, knight" gave his sister Isabel to Sir William de Staunton
in free-marriage, with "all his land, rents and services in Kilvington
and Wilberdeston, together with the right of patronage of the church
at Kilvington".
This indicates that the father of Sir Ralph and Isabel was dead at the
time of the latter's marriage to Sir William de Staunton; assuming
that this was Sir Alexander de Kirketon, who had a son Ralph, then
this marriage can be dated to after his death in 1285. Thhis
chronology would be in keeping with what is already known of the
Staunton and Kirketon families.
MA-R
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Gjest
Re: de Kirketon of Kirton in Holand, Lincs
On Feb 11, 9:33 am, mj...@btinternet.com wrote:
Thoroton (p 321) certainly believed that Isabel Staunton was the
daughter of Sir Alexander Bozon de Kirketon.
MA-R
This indicates that the father of Sir Ralph and Isabel was dead at the
time of the latter's marriage to Sir William de Staunton; assuming
that this was Sir Alexander de Kirketon, who had a son Ralph, then
this marriage can be dated to after his death in 1285.
Thoroton (p 321) certainly believed that Isabel Staunton was the
daughter of Sir Alexander Bozon de Kirketon.
MA-R
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suthen
Re: de Kirketon of Kirton in Holand, Lincs
On Feb 10, 2:47 pm, mj...@btinternet.com wrote:
Michael,
There is apparently also a "Kirton" family of Lancashire as Agatha de
Kirton, daughter of Sir Roger de Kirton, was wife of Richard de
Molyneux of Sefton d. 1363. (VCH Lancs III:73). They had 9 children:
William, Richard, John, Robert, Thomas, Peter, Simon, Ellen (wife of
Richard Bold of Bold) and Joan.
Hap
On Feb 11, 9:33 am, mj...@btinternet.com wrote:
This indicates that the father of Sir Ralph and Isabel was dead at the
time of the latter's marriage to Sir William de Staunton; assuming
that this was Sir Alexander de Kirketon, who had a son Ralph, then
this marriage can be dated to after his death in 1285.
Thoroton (p 321) certainly believed that Isabel Staunton was the
daughter of Sir Alexander Bozon de Kirketon.
MA-R
Michael,
There is apparently also a "Kirton" family of Lancashire as Agatha de
Kirton, daughter of Sir Roger de Kirton, was wife of Richard de
Molyneux of Sefton d. 1363. (VCH Lancs III:73). They had 9 children:
William, Richard, John, Robert, Thomas, Peter, Simon, Ellen (wife of
Richard Bold of Bold) and Joan.
Hap
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Gjest
Re: de Kirketon of Kirton in Holand, Lincs
On Feb 16, 4:36 am, suthen <sut...@redshift.com> wrote:
Many thanks, Hap
Cheers, Michael
There is apparently also a "Kirton" family of Lancashire as Agatha de
Kirton, daughter of Sir Roger de Kirton, was wife of Richard de
Molyneux of Sefton d. 1363. (VCH Lancs III:73). They had 9 children:
William, Richard, John, Robert, Thomas, Peter, Simon, Ellen (wife of
Richard Bold of Bold) and Joan.
Many thanks, Hap
Cheers, Michael