Beheaded - poisoned - blinded

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Leo van de Pas

Beheaded - poisoned - blinded

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 10 feb 2008 00:48:41

Yesterday, here in Canberra, was a food festival. Actually it was a bit more, there were many, many stalls with food as well as cultural and tourist information, available from many countries around the world. Several countries had more than one stall and many were manned by people from embassies and so on.

I enjoyed the food and while going around realised that there was possibly quite a lot more for me to find. As a result I came home with several historic portraits for genealogics. Four of these were of the Voivodes/Domns of Moldavia. This made me look into what I have of that family and found a lot was missing. As a result, I entered more, but a lot more needs entering one day.

Then to see whether these, for most, obscure families had descendants in my system till the present, and what I found was quite astounding. Several royal families, including the British, are descended as well as many other families.

While entering these additional details, I was amazed to see how many of the early generations met with violent deaths. One female member of the family, her first name has not survived apparently, finished up in a harem.

I have kept the file of descendants (quite large) and if anyone is interested, let me know.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas,
Canberra, Australia

Tim

Re: Beheaded - poisoned - blinded

Legg inn av Tim » 10 feb 2008 21:14:01

On Feb 9, 6:48 pm, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
Yesterday, here in Canberra, was a food festival. Actually it was a bit more, there were many, many stalls with food as well as cultural and tourist information, available from many countries around the world. Several countries had more than one stall and many were manned by people from embassies and so on.

I enjoyed the food and while going around realised that there was possibly quite a lot more for me to find. As a result I came home with several historic portraits for genealogics. Four of these were of the Voivodes/Domns of Moldavia. This made me look into what I have of that family and found a lot was missing. As a result, I entered more, but a lot more needs entering one day.

Then to see whether these, for most, obscure families had descendants in my system till the present, and what I found was quite astounding. Several royal families, including the British, are descended as well as many other families.

While entering these additional details, I was amazed to see how many of the early generations met with violent deaths. One female member of the family, her first name has not survived apparently, finished up in a harem.

I have kept the file of descendants (quite large) and if anyone is interested, let me know.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas,
Canberra, Australia

It would be interesting to know more about the history and genealogy
of these families. The regions of Wallachia, Moldavia, Transylvania,
and Dobrudja were part of the old Roman province of Dacia and were
inhabited by a tribal people called the Vlachs (ancestors of present-
day Rumanians). In early medieval times , Asiatic Turanian tribes
invaded and settled in the Balkans.Around 1090 one tribe, the Cumans,
established a state (Cumania) in Wallachia and Moldavia.The Cumans
also settled in Hungary. Cumania was absorbed into the Kingdom of
Hungary and the Arpad kings of Hungary took the title 'Rex
Cumaniae' .Gradually the Cuman aristocracy adopted the culture of
their subjects. In the 1300's Wallachia broke away from Hungary and
became independent. A native dynasty, the Basarabs, became voivodes of
Wallachia. The Basarabs are theorized to have a Cuman origin though
this isn't validated, it's based on circumstantial evidence. By the
early 1400's the Basarabs had split into two competing branches, the
Danesti and the Draculesti. At some point the voivodes of Wallachia
also became voivodes of Moldavia. The title 'voivode' denoted an
independent ruler and is probably equivalent to the Balkan Slavic
title 'knez', used by the early medieval rulers of Rascia (Serbia) and
Croatia. After acknowledging Turkish sovereignty later in the 1400's
the Wallachian/Moldavian voivodes became vassals of the Turkish
sultan. Under Turkish rule the title'voivode' eventually was replaced
by 'hospodar'. By the time Rumania began achieving independence in the
mid 1800's the title 'hospodar' had become associated with Turkish
rule and was replaced with the title 'domn', denoting an independent
ruler.

The Wallachian/Moldavian voivode families intermarried with Hungarian
noble families who in turn intermarried with German nobility and
royalty. Thus some present European royal families descend from these
voivode families. The paternal grandmother of Queen Mary of Teck was a
Hungarian noblewoman so this lineage came to the British royal family.
The Phanariat Greeks of Istanbul who were frequently appointed
hospodars of Wallachia and Moldavia by the Turkish government also
intermarried with the original Wallachian/Moldavian voivode families
so their lineage was also transmitted to the Greek aristocracy.

graham@gmilne.demon.co.uk

Re: Beheaded - poisoned - blinded

Legg inn av graham@gmilne.demon.co.uk » 11 feb 2008 20:14:02

On 9 Feb, 23:48, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
Yesterday, here in Canberra, was a food festival. Actually it was a bit more, there were many, many stalls with food as well as cultural and tourist information, available from many countries around the world. Several countries had more than one stall and many were manned by people from embassies and so on.

I enjoyed the food and while going around realised that there was possibly quite a lot more for me to find. As a result I came home with several historic portraits for genealogics. Four of these were of the Voivodes/Domns of Moldavia. This made me look into what I have of that family and found a lot was missing. As a result, I entered more, but a lot more needs entering one day.

Then to see whether these, for most, obscure families had descendants in my system till the present, and what I found was quite astounding. Several royal families, including the British, are descended as well as many other families.

While entering these additional details, I was amazed to see how many of the early generations met with violent deaths. One female member of the family, her first name has not survived apparently, finished up in a harem.

I have kept the file of descendants (quite large) and if anyone is interested, let me know.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas,
Canberra, Australia

Beheaded - poisoned - blinded. This is the Irish method of execution I
take it.

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