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Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a descen

Legg inn av AaronParmenter@gmail.com » 03 feb 2008 06:20:02

Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a descendant of
William the Conqueror


John Ravilious records the integrity of the following:
Nat Taylor records the integrity of the following:
British Peerage records the integrity of the following:
Leo van de Pas does not record the same, see below:

Leo does not have Margaret Graham, Countess of Menteith
as mother of Majorie Stewart, dau. of RS, 1st Steward Duke of Albany


Robert Stewart, 1st Duke of Albany-Margaret Graham, Countess of
Menteith
Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord of Lochow=Majorie Stewart, dau. of RS, 1st
Duke
Archibald CampbellI, Master of Campbell=Elizabeth Somerville

Of this, Leo van de Pas needs to correct the first generation wife,
Margaret Graham, Countess of Menteith,
married 9 Sep 1361, by Papal dispensation

Aaron

From: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au>
Subject: Fw: Robert Stewart, 1st Duke of Albany, 1340-1420,and dau.
Lady Marjorie Stewart, 1380-1432
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:42:44 +1100

======= Can you be precise? I have 1361. The date you give (where did
it
come from?) and is it the date of the dispensation or is it the
actual
marriage date?
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

Nat Taylor proposes the Stewart pedgree segment, as follows:

http://www.nltaylor.net/ancestry/royald ... gruder.htm

1. Robert I Bruce, King of Scotland ($B"w(B 1329) $B!g(B Isabel, dau. of Donald,
Earl of Mar
2. Marjorie ($B"w(B 1316), Princess of Scotland $B!g(B Walter Stewart
(1293-1326), 6th High Steward of Scotland

3. Robert II (1316-1390), 1st Stewart King of Scotland 1371-1390 $B!g(B
Elizabeth ($B"w(B1355), dau. Sir Adam Mure

4. Robert Stewart (~1340-1420) , 1st Duke of Albany, Regent of
Scotland $B!g(B Margaret Graham of Menteith ($B"w(B1380)

5. Marjory Stewart ($B"w(B 1432) $B!g(B Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell
(~1370-1453)

6. Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell (~1393-1431/40) $B!g(B Elizabeth
Somerville

7. Colin Campbell ($B"w(B 1493), 1st Earl of Argyll $B!g(B Isabel, daughter of
John Stewart, Lord Lorn

8. Archibald Campbell ($B"w(B at the Battle of Flodden, 1513), 2d Earl of
Argyll $B!g(B Elizabeth, dau. John Stewart, Earl of Lenox

9. Donald Campbell, O. C. (1492-1562), Abbot of Coupar Angus, Lord
Privy Seal for Mary, Queen of Scots

The British Peerage website proposes the Stewart pedgree segment, as
follows:

http://www.thepeerage.com

1. Robert I Bruce, King of Scotland ($B"w(B 1329) $B!g(B Isabel, dau. of Donald,
Earl of Mar

2. Marjorie ($B"w(B 1316), Princess of Scotland $B!g(B Walter Stewart
(1293-1326), 6th High Steward of Scotland

3. Robert II (1316-1390), 1st Stewart King of Scotland 1371-1390 $B!g(B
Elizabeth ($B"w(B1355), dau. Sir Adam Mure

4. Robert Stewart (~1340-1420) , 1st Duke of Albany, Regent of
Scotland $B!g(B Margaret Graham of Menteith ($B"w(B1380)

5. Marjory Stewart ($B"w(B 1432) $B!g(B Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell
(~1370-1453)

6. Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell (~1393-1431/40) $B!g(B Elizabeth
Somerville

7. Colin Campbell ($B"w(B 1493), 1st Earl of Argyll $B!g(B Isabel, daughter of
John Stewart, Lord Lorn

8. Archibald Campbell ($B"w(B at the Battle of Flodden, 1513), 2d Earl of
Argyll $B!g(B Elizabeth, dau. John Stewart, Earl of Lenox

9. Donald Campbell, O. C. (1492-1562), Abbot of Coupar Angus, Lord
Privy Seal for Mary, Queen of Scots


[sources]:

http://www.thepeerage.com/p10802.htm#i108012

thePeerage.com
A genealogical survey of the peerage of Britain as well as the royal
families of Europe
Person Page - 10802



Sir Robert Stewart1
M, #108011, b. before 1420, d. after 1431


Last Edited=15 Mar 2006
Consanguinity Index=0.4%
Sir Robert Stewart was born before 1420. He was the son of Robert
Stewart, 1st Duke of Albany and Muriel Keith.1 He died after 1431.1
Sir Robert Stewart succeeded to the title of 4th Earl of Buchan
[S., 1382] on 17 August 1424, although he never seems to have been
recognised as the Earl of Buchan.2
Citations
1. [S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy
(London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 220. Hereinafter cited as
Britain's Royal Family.
2. [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H.
White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete
Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United
Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14
(1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton
Publishing, 2000), volume II, page 377. Hereinafter cited as The
Complete Peerage.
Lady Marjorie Stewart1
F, #108012, b. before 1380, d. before August 1432


Last Edited=20 Aug 2006
Consanguinity Index=0.1%
Lady Marjorie Stewart was born before 1380. She was the daughter
of Robert Stewart, 1st Duke of Albany and Margaret Graham, Countess of
Menteith.1,2 She married Sir Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell, son
of Sir Colin Campbell of Lochow and Mariot Campbell.2 She died before
August 1432.3,2
Lady Marjorie Stewart was also known as Marceline Stewart.2 Her
married name became Campbell.
Child of Lady Marjorie Stewart and Sir Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord
Campbell
* Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell+ b. b 1406, d. bt Aug 1431 -
Mar 14401
Citations
1. [S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy
(London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 220. Hereinafter cited as
Britain's Royal Family.
2. [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H.
White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete
Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United
Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14
(1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton
Publishing, 2000), volume II, page 512. Hereinafter cited as The
Complete Peerage.
3. [S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family, page 220, says c 1406.
Sir Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell1
M, #108013, b. before 1390, d. 1453


Last Edited=12 Jul 2005
Consanguinity Index=0.8%
Sir Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell was born before 1390.2 He
was the son of Sir Colin Campbell of Lochow and Mariot Campbell.2 He
married, firstly, Lady Marjorie Stewart, daughter of Robert Stewart,
1st Duke of Albany and Margaret Graham, Countess of Menteith.2 He
married, secondly, Margaret Stewart, daughter of Sir John Stewart,
before 12 March 1439/40.3 He died in 1453.1 He was buried at Kilmun,
Cowal.3
In 1424 he was in the list of hostages for the redemption of King
James I from captivity.2 He held the office of a Justiciar of
Argyllshire.2 He was invested as a Privy Counsellor (P.C.) [Scotland].
4 He was invested as a Knight before March 1440.2 On 4 August 1442 he
founded the Collegiate Church of Kilmun, in Cowal.2 He was created 1st
Lord Campbell [Scotland] in 1445.2 He lived at Lochow, Argyllshire,
Scotland.4
Child of Sir Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell and Lady Marjorie
Stewart
* Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell+ b. b 1406, d. bt Aug 1431 -
Mar 14401
Children of Sir Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell and Margaret
Stewart
* Sir Colin Campbell, 1st of Glenorchy+ b. b 1432, d. c Sep 14754
* Neil Campbell b. b 14424
* Duncan Campbell of Kilmichael+ b. b 14424
* Archibald Campbell b. b 14424
Citations
1. [S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy
(London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 220. Hereinafter cited as
Britain's Royal Family.
2. [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H.
White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete
Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United
Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14
(1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton
Publishing, 2000), volume II, page 512. Hereinafter cited as The
Complete Peerage.
3. [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume II, page
513.
4. [S8] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 106th
edition, 2 volumes (Crans, Switzerland: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical
Books) Ltd, 1999), volume 1, page 104. Hereinafter cited as Burke's
Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition.
Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell1
M, #108014, b. before 1406, d. between August 1431 and March 1440


Last Edited=15 Sep 2003
Consanguinity Index=0.1%
Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell was born before 1406. He
was the son of Sir Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell and Lady
Marjorie Stewart.1 He married, firstly, Elizabeth Somerville, daughter
of John Somerville, 2nd Lord Somerville and Helen Hepburn.1 He
married, secondly, unknown Stewart, daughter of Murdoch Stewart, 2nd
Duke of Albany, before 1440.2 He died between August 1431 and March
1440.1,3
Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell was also known as
Gillespic.2 He was styled as Master of Campbell.4 He was also known as
Celestine.1 He lived at Lochow, Argyllshire, Scotland.4
Child of Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell and Elizabeth
Somerville
* Colin Campbell, 1st Earl of Argyll+ b. bt 1435 - 1440, d. 10 May
14933
Citations
1. [S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy
(London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 220. Hereinafter cited as
Britain's Royal Family.
2. [S8] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 106th
edition, 2 volumes (Crans, Switzerland: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical
Books) Ltd, 1999), volume 1, page 104. Hereinafter cited as Burke's
Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition.
3. [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H.
White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete
Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United
Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14
(1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton
Publishing, 2000), volume I, page 198. Hereinafter cited as The
Complete Peerage.
4. [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume II, page
513.
Elizabeth Somerville1
F, #108015, b. before 1426


Last Edited=9 Sep 2003
Elizabeth Somerville was born before 1426. She was the daughter
of John Somerville, 2nd Lord Somerville and Helen Hepburn.1,2 She
married Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell, son of Sir Duncan
Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell and Lady Marjorie Stewart.1
Her married name became Campbell.1
Child of Elizabeth Somerville and Archibald Campbell, Master of
Campbell
* Colin Campbell, 1st Earl of Argyll+ b. bt 1435 - 1440, d. 10 May
14933
Citations
1. [S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy
(London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 220. Hereinafter cited as
Britain's Royal Family.
2. [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H.
White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete
Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United
Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14
(1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton
Publishing, 2000), volume XII/1, page 94. Hereinafter cited as The
Complete Peerage.
3. [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume I, page 198.

Gjest

Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av Gjest » 04 feb 2008 03:29:12

On Feb 3, 4:17 pm, AaronParmen...@gmail.com wrote:

Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a descendant of
William the Conqueror

That's a great breakthrough in mediaeval genealogy; thanks for sharing
it.

John Ravilious records the integrity of the following:
Nat Taylor records the integrity of the following:
British Peerage records the integrity of the following:
Leo van de Pas does not record the same, see below:

Leo does not have Margaret Graham, Countess of Menteith
as mother of Majorie Stewart, dau. of RS, 1st Steward Duke of Albany

Aaron

Congratulations: it's only February, and there's usually plenty of
competition on this score around here, but you win the Non Sequituur
Prize for 2008.

Hopefully we can look forward to more of your unique research in
coming months.

MAR

Gjest

Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av Gjest » 04 feb 2008 03:29:12

On Feb 3, 4:17 pm, AaronParmen...@gmail.com wrote:

Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a descendant of
William the Conqueror

That's a great breakthrough in mediaeval genealogy; thanks for sharing
it.

John Ravilious records the integrity of the following:
Nat Taylor records the integrity of the following:
British Peerage records the integrity of the following:
Leo van de Pas does not record the same, see below:

Leo does not have Margaret Graham, Countess of Menteith
as mother of Majorie Stewart, dau. of RS, 1st Steward Duke of Albany

Aaron

Congratulations: it's only February, and there's usually plenty of
competition on this score around here, but you win the Non Sequituur
Prize for 2008.

Hopefully we can look forward to more of your unique research in
coming months.

MAR

Gjest

Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av Gjest » 04 feb 2008 03:29:12

On Feb 3, 4:17 pm, AaronParmen...@gmail.com wrote:

Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a descendant of
William the Conqueror

That's a great breakthrough in mediaeval genealogy; thanks for sharing
it.

John Ravilious records the integrity of the following:
Nat Taylor records the integrity of the following:
British Peerage records the integrity of the following:
Leo van de Pas does not record the same, see below:

Leo does not have Margaret Graham, Countess of Menteith
as mother of Majorie Stewart, dau. of RS, 1st Steward Duke of Albany

Aaron

Congratulations: it's only February, and there's usually plenty of
competition on this score around here, but you win the Non Sequituur
Prize for 2008.

Hopefully we can look forward to more of your unique research in
coming months.

MAR

Gjest

Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av Gjest » 04 feb 2008 03:29:12

On Feb 3, 4:17 pm, AaronParmen...@gmail.com wrote:

Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a descendant of
William the Conqueror

That's a great breakthrough in mediaeval genealogy; thanks for sharing
it.

John Ravilious records the integrity of the following:
Nat Taylor records the integrity of the following:
British Peerage records the integrity of the following:
Leo van de Pas does not record the same, see below:

Leo does not have Margaret Graham, Countess of Menteith
as mother of Majorie Stewart, dau. of RS, 1st Steward Duke of Albany

Aaron

Congratulations: it's only February, and there's usually plenty of
competition on this score around here, but you win the Non Sequituur
Prize for 2008.

Hopefully we can look forward to more of your unique research in
coming months.

MAR

Gjest

Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av Gjest » 04 feb 2008 03:29:14

On Feb 3, 4:17 pm, AaronParmen...@gmail.com wrote:

Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a descendant of
William the Conqueror

That's a great breakthrough in mediaeval genealogy; thanks for sharing
it.

John Ravilious records the integrity of the following:
Nat Taylor records the integrity of the following:
British Peerage records the integrity of the following:
Leo van de Pas does not record the same, see below:

Leo does not have Margaret Graham, Countess of Menteith
as mother of Majorie Stewart, dau. of RS, 1st Steward Duke of Albany

Aaron

Congratulations: it's only February, and there's usually plenty of
competition on this score around here, but you win the Non Sequituur
Prize for 2008.

Hopefully we can look forward to more of your unique research in
coming months.

MAR

AaronParmenter@gmail.com

Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av AaronParmenter@gmail.com » 04 feb 2008 04:52:02

On Feb 3, 9:22 pm, mj...@btinternet.com wrote:
On Feb 3, 4:17 pm, AaronParmen...@gmail.com wrote:

Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a descendant of
William the Conqueror

That's a great breakthrough in mediaeval genealogy; thanks for sharing
it.


Charlemagne I,King/Franks,Emperor/Holy Roman Empire = Hildegard,sister/
Gerold
Pépin/Pippin I (Carolman),King of Italy = Chrothais(Mistress)/or
Bertha
Bernard I, King of Italy, Royal House Carolingian = Kunigund/Cunigunda
of Laon
Pépin/Peppin II,Count/Vermandois = -?- dau.of Nibelungen/
Chidrebrand,of Martel
Heribert I/Vermandois,Count/Soissons/Abbot/Saint-Crépin = Bertha of
Morvois
HeribertII/Vermandois,Count/Meaux = Adela/Hildebrante,dau.Robert
I,King/France
Robert/Vermandois,Count/Troyes/Meaux = Adelaïde,dau.of Giselbert,Count/
Chalon
Geoffrey I,Count of Anjou = Adèle, dau.of Robert/Vermandois,Count/
Troyes/Meaux
Conan I, Count of Rennes = Ermengarde, dau. of Geoffrey I, Count of
Anjou
Richard II, Duke/Normandy = Judith of Brittany, dau./Conan I,Count of
Rennnes
Robert I,Duke of Normandy = Herleva, dau. of Fulbert of Falaise
William I,The Conqueror King/England = Matilda,dau./Baldwin V,Count/
Flanders
Henry I, King of England = -?- unknown,cousin/Philip Gai and Nigel/of
William
Robert of Caen,Earl/Gloucester = Mabel,dau. of Robert Fitzhamon,Lord/
Glamorgan
Ranulph,Earl/Chester,King of Scots = Maud,dau./Robert of Caen,Earl/
Gloucester
Hugh de Kevelioc, Earl of Chester = Bertrada of Montfort/de Evreux
David, of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon = Maud of Chester, dau.of Hugh/
Havelioc
Robert Bruce IV, Lord of Annandale = Isabella, dau. of David,Earl/
Huntingdon
Robert Bruce V, Lord of Annandale = Isabella, dau. of Gilbert,Earl/
Clare
Robert Bruce VI, Lord of Annandale = Margaret, dau. of Neil,Earl/
Carrick
Robert I Bruce, King of Scots = Isabella, dau.of Donald,Earl/Mar
Marjorie, Princess of Scotland = Walter Stewart, 6thSteward/Scots
Robert II, 1st Stewart King of Scotland = Elizabeth,dau. Sir Adam Mure
Robert Stewart,1st Duke/Albany, Regent/Scots = Margaret Graham of
Menteith

you're welcome

aaron

Peter Stewart

Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 04 feb 2008 05:07:02

On Feb 4, 2:50 pm, "AaronParmen...@gmail.com"
<AaronParmen...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 3, 9:22 pm, mj...@btinternet.com wrote:

On Feb 3, 4:17 pm, AaronParmen...@gmail.com wrote:

Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a descendant of
William the Conqueror

That's a great breakthrough in mediaeval genealogy; thanks for sharing
it.


<snip of irrelevant stuff.

you're welcome

aaron

Perhaps you don't actually want to be taken seriously here, you are
certainly going about it the right way to be taken for just another
clown.

Or if you do, why not start at the shallow end - explain to us
precisely how you figure that just one of Elizabeth II's predecessors,
the English monarch Edward the Confessor, was "a descendant of William
the Conqueror".

We all know how the English monarchs succeeding to the throne from
William's right of conquest were descendants of William, without your
plodding through irrelevant lines from him to a Scottish regent.

Peter Stewart

AaronParmenter@gmail.com

Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av AaronParmenter@gmail.com » 04 feb 2008 05:09:02

On Feb 3, 10:50 pm, "AaronParmen...@gmail.com"
<AaronParmen...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 3, 9:22 pm, mj...@btinternet.com wrote:

On Feb 3, 4:17 pm, AaronParmen...@gmail.com wrote:

Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a descendant of
William the Conqueror

That's a great breakthrough in mediaeval genealogy; thanks for sharing
it.

Charlemagne I,King/Franks,Emperor/Holy Roman Empire = Hildegard,sister/
Gerold
Pépin/Pippin I (Carolman),King of Italy = Chrothais(Mistress)/or
Bertha
Bernard I, King of Italy, Royal House Carolingian = Kunigund/Cunigunda
of Laon
Pépin/Peppin II,Count/Vermandois = -?- dau.of Nibelungen/
Chidrebrand,of Martel
Heribert I/Vermandois,Count/Soissons/Abbot/Saint-Crépin = Bertha of
Morvois
HeribertII/Vermandois,Count/Meaux = Adela/Hildebrante,dau.Robert
I,King/France
Robert/Vermandois,Count/Troyes/Meaux = Adelaïde,dau.of Giselbert,Count/
Chalon
Geoffrey I,Count of Anjou = Adèle, dau.of Robert/Vermandois,Count/
Troyes/Meaux
Conan I, Count of Rennes = Ermengarde, dau. of Geoffrey I, Count of
Anjou
Richard II, Duke/Normandy = Judith of Brittany, dau./Conan I,Count of
Rennnes
Robert I,Duke of Normandy = Herleva, dau. of Fulbert of Falaise
William I,The Conqueror King/England = Matilda,dau./Baldwin V,Count/
Flanders
Henry I, King of England = -?- unknown,cousin/Philip Gai and Nigel/of
William
Robert of Caen,Earl/Gloucester = Mabel,dau. of Robert Fitzhamon,Lord/
Glamorgan
Ranulph,Earl/Chester,King of Scots = Maud,dau./Robert of Caen,Earl/
Gloucester
Hugh de Kevelioc, Earl of Chester = Bertrada of Montfort/de Evreux
David, of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon = Maud of Chester, dau.of Hugh/
Havelioc
Robert Bruce IV, Lord of Annandale = Isabella, dau. of David,Earl/
Huntingdon
Robert Bruce V, Lord of Annandale = Isabella, dau. of Gilbert,Earl/
Clare
Robert Bruce VI, Lord of Annandale = Margaret, dau. of Neil,Earl/
Carrick
Robert I Bruce, King of Scots = Isabella, dau.of Donald,Earl/Mar
Marjorie, Princess of Scotland = Walter Stewart, 6thSteward/Scots
Robert II, 1st Stewart King of Scotland = Elizabeth,dau. Sir Adam Mure
Robert Stewart,1st Duke/Albany, Regent/Scots = Margaret Graham of
Menteith


Robert Stewart,1st Duke/Albany, Regent/Scots = Margaret Graham of
Menteith were

. . .

HRH the Queen's 17-Great Grandfather and Grandmother, as

direct descendant from Charlemagne and William I The Conqueror

your're welcome, again

aaron

Leo van de Pas

Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 04 feb 2008 05:17:48

What is the breakthrough? Is there anything special about the line you
display?
In my data base Robert II, king of Scots descends from Charlemagne in at
least 57 different ways.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: <AaronParmenter@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a
descendant of William the Conqueror


On Feb 3, 9:22 pm, mj...@btinternet.com wrote:
On Feb 3, 4:17 pm, AaronParmen...@gmail.com wrote:

Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a descendant of
William the Conqueror

That's a great breakthrough in mediaeval genealogy; thanks for sharing
it.


Charlemagne I,King/Franks,Emperor/Holy Roman Empire = Hildegard,sister/
Gerold
Pépin/Pippin I (Carolman),King of Italy = Chrothais(Mistress)/or
Bertha
Bernard I, King of Italy, Royal House Carolingian = Kunigund/Cunigunda
of Laon
Pépin/Peppin II,Count/Vermandois = -?- dau.of Nibelungen/
Chidrebrand,of Martel
Heribert I/Vermandois,Count/Soissons/Abbot/Saint-Crépin = Bertha of
Morvois
HeribertII/Vermandois,Count/Meaux = Adela/Hildebrante,dau.Robert
I,King/France
Robert/Vermandois,Count/Troyes/Meaux = Adelaïde,dau.of Giselbert,Count/
Chalon
Geoffrey I,Count of Anjou = Adèle, dau.of Robert/Vermandois,Count/
Troyes/Meaux
Conan I, Count of Rennes = Ermengarde, dau. of Geoffrey I, Count of
Anjou
Richard II, Duke/Normandy = Judith of Brittany, dau./Conan I,Count of
Rennnes
Robert I,Duke of Normandy = Herleva, dau. of Fulbert of Falaise
William I,The Conqueror King/England = Matilda,dau./Baldwin V,Count/
Flanders
Henry I, King of England = -?- unknown,cousin/Philip Gai and Nigel/of
William
Robert of Caen,Earl/Gloucester = Mabel,dau. of Robert Fitzhamon,Lord/
Glamorgan
Ranulph,Earl/Chester,King of Scots = Maud,dau./Robert of Caen,Earl/
Gloucester
Hugh de Kevelioc, Earl of Chester = Bertrada of Montfort/de Evreux
David, of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon = Maud of Chester, dau.of Hugh/
Havelioc
Robert Bruce IV, Lord of Annandale = Isabella, dau. of David,Earl/
Huntingdon
Robert Bruce V, Lord of Annandale = Isabella, dau. of Gilbert,Earl/
Clare
Robert Bruce VI, Lord of Annandale = Margaret, dau. of Neil,Earl/
Carrick
Robert I Bruce, King of Scots = Isabella, dau.of Donald,Earl/Mar
Marjorie, Princess of Scotland = Walter Stewart, 6thSteward/Scots
Robert II, 1st Stewart King of Scotland = Elizabeth,dau. Sir Adam Mure
Robert Stewart,1st Duke/Albany, Regent/Scots = Margaret Graham of
Menteith

you're welcome

aaron

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Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 04 feb 2008 05:25:26

Do explain. What is so unique about Robert Stewart, Duke of Albany that
makes him stand out amongst the ancestors of HM the Queen?

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas,
Canberra, Australia

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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:08 PM
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descendant of William the Conqueror


On Feb 3, 10:50 pm, "AaronParmen...@gmail.com"
<AaronParmen...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 3, 9:22 pm, mj...@btinternet.com wrote:

On Feb 3, 4:17 pm, AaronParmen...@gmail.com wrote:

Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a descendant of
William the Conqueror

That's a great breakthrough in mediaeval genealogy; thanks for sharing
it.

Charlemagne I,King/Franks,Emperor/Holy Roman Empire = Hildegard,sister/
Gerold
Pépin/Pippin I (Carolman),King of Italy = Chrothais(Mistress)/or
Bertha
Bernard I, King of Italy, Royal House Carolingian = Kunigund/Cunigunda
of Laon
Pépin/Peppin II,Count/Vermandois = -?- dau.of Nibelungen/
Chidrebrand,of Martel
Heribert I/Vermandois,Count/Soissons/Abbot/Saint-Crépin = Bertha of
Morvois
HeribertII/Vermandois,Count/Meaux = Adela/Hildebrante,dau.Robert
I,King/France
Robert/Vermandois,Count/Troyes/Meaux = Adelaïde,dau.of Giselbert,Count/
Chalon
Geoffrey I,Count of Anjou = Adèle, dau.of Robert/Vermandois,Count/
Troyes/Meaux
Conan I, Count of Rennes = Ermengarde, dau. of Geoffrey I, Count of
Anjou
Richard II, Duke/Normandy = Judith of Brittany, dau./Conan I,Count of
Rennnes
Robert I,Duke of Normandy = Herleva, dau. of Fulbert of Falaise
William I,The Conqueror King/England = Matilda,dau./Baldwin V,Count/
Flanders
Henry I, King of England = -?- unknown,cousin/Philip Gai and Nigel/of
William
Robert of Caen,Earl/Gloucester = Mabel,dau. of Robert Fitzhamon,Lord/
Glamorgan
Ranulph,Earl/Chester,King of Scots = Maud,dau./Robert of Caen,Earl/
Gloucester
Hugh de Kevelioc, Earl of Chester = Bertrada of Montfort/de Evreux
David, of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon = Maud of Chester, dau.of Hugh/
Havelioc
Robert Bruce IV, Lord of Annandale = Isabella, dau. of David,Earl/
Huntingdon
Robert Bruce V, Lord of Annandale = Isabella, dau. of Gilbert,Earl/
Clare
Robert Bruce VI, Lord of Annandale = Margaret, dau. of Neil,Earl/
Carrick
Robert I Bruce, King of Scots = Isabella, dau.of Donald,Earl/Mar
Marjorie, Princess of Scotland = Walter Stewart, 6thSteward/Scots
Robert II, 1st Stewart King of Scotland = Elizabeth,dau. Sir Adam Mure
Robert Stewart,1st Duke/Albany, Regent/Scots = Margaret Graham of
Menteith


Robert Stewart,1st Duke/Albany, Regent/Scots = Margaret Graham of
Menteith were

... . .

HRH the Queen's 17-Great Grandfather and Grandmother, as

direct descendant from Charlemagne and William I The Conqueror

your're welcome, again

aaron


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AaronParmenter@gmail.com

Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av AaronParmenter@gmail.com » 04 feb 2008 05:50:02

On Feb 3, 11:17 pm, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
What is the breakthrough? Is there anything special about the line you
display?
In my data base Robert II, king of Scots descends from Charlemagne in at
least 57 different ways.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: <AaronParmen...@gmail.com

Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medie...@rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a
descendant of William the Conqueror

On Feb 3, 9:22 pm, mj...@btinternet.com wrote:
On Feb 3, 4:17 pm, AaronParmen...@gmail.com wrote:

Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a descendant of
William the Conqueror

That's a great breakthrough in mediaeval genealogy; thanks for sharing
it.

Charlemagne I,King/Franks,Emperor/Holy Roman Empire = Hildegard,sister/
Gerold
Pépin/Pippin I (Carolman),King of Italy = Chrothais(Mistress)/or
Bertha
Bernard I, King of Italy, Royal House Carolingian = Kunigund/Cunigunda
of Laon
Pépin/Peppin II,Count/Vermandois = -?- dau.of Nibelungen/
Chidrebrand,of Martel
Heribert I/Vermandois,Count/Soissons/Abbot/Saint-Crépin = Bertha of
Morvois
HeribertII/Vermandois,Count/Meaux = Adela/Hildebrante,dau.Robert
I,King/France
Robert/Vermandois,Count/Troyes/Meaux = Adelaïde,dau.of Giselbert,Count/
Chalon
Geoffrey I,Count of Anjou = Adèle, dau.of Robert/Vermandois,Count/
Troyes/Meaux
Conan I, Count of Rennes = Ermengarde, dau. of Geoffrey I, Count of
Anjou
Richard II, Duke/Normandy = Judith of Brittany, dau./Conan I,Count of
Rennnes
Robert I,Duke of Normandy = Herleva, dau. of Fulbert of Falaise
William I,The Conqueror King/England = Matilda,dau./Baldwin V,Count/
Flanders
Henry I, King of England =  -?- unknown,cousin/Philip Gai and Nigel/of
William
Robert of Caen,Earl/Gloucester = Mabel,dau. of Robert Fitzhamon,Lord/
Glamorgan
Ranulph,Earl/Chester,King of Scots = Maud,dau./Robert of Caen,Earl/
Gloucester
Hugh de Kevelioc, Earl of Chester = Bertrada of Montfort/de Evreux
David, of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon = Maud of Chester, dau.of Hugh/
Havelioc
Robert Bruce IV, Lord of Annandale = Isabella, dau. of David,Earl/
Huntingdon
Robert Bruce V, Lord of Annandale = Isabella, dau. of Gilbert,Earl/
Clare
Robert Bruce VI, Lord of Annandale = Margaret, dau. of Neil,Earl/
Carrick
Robert I Bruce, King of Scots = Isabella, dau.of Donald,Earl/Mar
Marjorie, Princess of Scotland = Walter Stewart, 6thSteward/Scots
Robert II, 1st Stewart King of Scotland = Elizabeth,dau. Sir Adam Mure
Robert Stewart,1st Duke/Albany, Regent/Scots = Margaret Graham of
Menteith

Robert Stewart,1st Duke/Albany, Regent/Scots = Margaret Graham of
Menteith


Robert Stewart,1st Duke/Albany, Regent/Scots = Margaret Graham of
Menteith were

.. . .

HRH the Queen's 17-Great Grandfather and Grandmother, as

direct descendant from Charlemagne and William I The Conqueror

your're welcome, again

aaron

above, Leo, it is that HRH the Queen's 17-Great Grandmother
is Margaret Graham of Menteith

you're welcome, again

aaron

Peter Stewart

Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 04 feb 2008 06:23:02

On Feb 4, 3:49 pm, "AaronParmen...@gmail.com"
<AaronParmen...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

HRH the Queen's 17-Great Grandfather and Grandmother

A clown you are, then - Leo would, of course, never make much such an
elementary blunder as "HRH the Queen".

Peter Stewart

Leo van de Pas

Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 04 feb 2008 07:13:44

Still, what is so special about this lineage?

I have Robert Stewart, Duke of Albany as at least five times an ancestor of
HM the Queen
at least four times by his first wife
at least once by the second wife

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

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To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a
descendant of William the Conqueror


On Feb 3, 11:17 pm, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
What is the breakthrough? Is there anything special about the line you
display?
In my data base Robert II, king of Scots descends from Charlemagne in at
least 57 different ways.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: <AaronParmen...@gmail.com

Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medie...@rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a
descendant of William the Conqueror

On Feb 3, 9:22 pm, mj...@btinternet.com wrote:
On Feb 3, 4:17 pm, AaronParmen...@gmail.com wrote:

Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a descendant of
William the Conqueror

That's a great breakthrough in mediaeval genealogy; thanks for sharing
it.

Charlemagne I,King/Franks,Emperor/Holy Roman Empire = Hildegard,sister/
Gerold
Pépin/Pippin I (Carolman),King of Italy = Chrothais(Mistress)/or
Bertha
Bernard I, King of Italy, Royal House Carolingian = Kunigund/Cunigunda
of Laon
Pépin/Peppin II,Count/Vermandois = -?- dau.of Nibelungen/
Chidrebrand,of Martel
Heribert I/Vermandois,Count/Soissons/Abbot/Saint-Crépin = Bertha of
Morvois
HeribertII/Vermandois,Count/Meaux = Adela/Hildebrante,dau.Robert
I,King/France
Robert/Vermandois,Count/Troyes/Meaux = Adelaïde,dau.of Giselbert,Count/
Chalon
Geoffrey I,Count of Anjou = Adèle, dau.of Robert/Vermandois,Count/
Troyes/Meaux
Conan I, Count of Rennes = Ermengarde, dau. of Geoffrey I, Count of
Anjou
Richard II, Duke/Normandy = Judith of Brittany, dau./Conan I,Count of
Rennnes
Robert I,Duke of Normandy = Herleva, dau. of Fulbert of Falaise
William I,The Conqueror King/England = Matilda,dau./Baldwin V,Count/
Flanders
Henry I, King of England = -?- unknown,cousin/Philip Gai and Nigel/of
William
Robert of Caen,Earl/Gloucester = Mabel,dau. of Robert Fitzhamon,Lord/
Glamorgan
Ranulph,Earl/Chester,King of Scots = Maud,dau./Robert of Caen,Earl/
Gloucester
Hugh de Kevelioc, Earl of Chester = Bertrada of Montfort/de Evreux
David, of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon = Maud of Chester, dau.of Hugh/
Havelioc
Robert Bruce IV, Lord of Annandale = Isabella, dau. of David,Earl/
Huntingdon
Robert Bruce V, Lord of Annandale = Isabella, dau. of Gilbert,Earl/
Clare
Robert Bruce VI, Lord of Annandale = Margaret, dau. of Neil,Earl/
Carrick
Robert I Bruce, King of Scots = Isabella, dau.of Donald,Earl/Mar
Marjorie, Princess of Scotland = Walter Stewart, 6thSteward/Scots
Robert II, 1st Stewart King of Scotland = Elizabeth,dau. Sir Adam Mure
Robert Stewart,1st Duke/Albany, Regent/Scots = Margaret Graham of
Menteith

Robert Stewart,1st Duke/Albany, Regent/Scots = Margaret Graham of
Menteith


Robert Stewart,1st Duke/Albany, Regent/Scots = Margaret Graham of
Menteith were

.... . .

HRH the Queen's 17-Great Grandfather and Grandmother, as

direct descendant from Charlemagne and William I The Conqueror

your're welcome, again

aaron

above, Leo, it is that HRH the Queen's 17-Great Grandmother
is Margaret Graham of Menteith

you're welcome, again

aaron

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Gjest

Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av Gjest » 04 feb 2008 09:06:02

On Feb 4, 5:13 pm, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
Still, what is so special about this lineage?

Ignore it, leo. It's just another dull troll with nothing of value to
contribute.

Quite probably the same troll as that dopey Lupis/Marco chap.

Best leave it to play with the other dull trolls here.

Cheers, Michael

Renia

Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av Renia » 04 feb 2008 13:54:37

AaronParmenter@gmail.com wrote:

On Feb 4, 1:13 am, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:

Still, what is so special about this lineage?

I have Robert Stewart, Duke of Albany as at least five times an ancestor of
HM the Queen
at least four times by his first wife
at least once by the second wife

What is the breakthrough? Is there anything special about the line you
display?
In my data base Robert II, king of Scots descends from Charlemagne in at
least 57 different ways.


Still, what is so special, Leo, is that you compound your error at
least five
times in the ancestry of HM the Queen in your Robert Stewart, Duke of
Albany
lines and you compound your error at least 57 times in the descents
of
HM the Queen in your data base Robert II, king of Scots descents from
Charlemagne

you're welcome

For what? And how long have you been a genealogist, exactly, Mr
Parmenter? What are your credentials?

AaronParmenter@gmail.com

Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av AaronParmenter@gmail.com » 04 feb 2008 14:26:03

On Feb 4, 1:13 am, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
Still, what is so special about this lineage?

I have Robert Stewart, Duke of Albany as at least five times an ancestor of
HM the Queen
at least four times by his first wife
at least once by the second wife

What is the breakthrough? Is there anything special about the line you
display?
In my data base Robert II, king of Scots descends from Charlemagne in at
least 57 different ways.

Still, what is so special, Leo, is that you compound your error at
least five
times in the ancestry of HM the Queen in your Robert Stewart, Duke of
Albany
lines and you compound your error at least 57 times in the descents
of
HM the Queen in your data base Robert II, king of Scots descents from
Charlemagne

you're welcome

aaron

AaronParmenter@gmail.com

Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av AaronParmenter@gmail.com » 04 feb 2008 14:27:15

----- Original Message -----
From: <AaronParmen...@gmail.com

Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medie...@rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a
descendant of William the Conqueror

On Feb 3, 11:17 pm, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
What is the breakthrough? Is there anything special about the line you
display?
In my data base Robert II, king of Scots descends from Charlemagne in at
least 57 different ways.

----- Original Message -----
From: <AaronParmen...@gmail.com

Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medie...@rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a
descendant of William the Conqueror

On Feb 3, 9:22 pm, mj...@btinternet.com wrote:
On Feb 3, 4:17 pm, AaronParmen...@gmail.com wrote:

Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a descendant of
William the Conqueror

That's a great breakthrough in mediaeval genealogy; thanks for sharing
it.

Charlemagne I,King/Franks,Emperor/Holy Roman Empire = Hildegard,sister/
Gerold
Pépin/Pippin I (Carolman),King of Italy = Chrothais(Mistress)/or
Bertha
Bernard I, King of Italy, Royal House Carolingian = Kunigund/Cunigunda
of Laon
Pépin/Peppin II,Count/Vermandois = -?- dau.of Nibelungen/
Chidrebrand,of Martel
Heribert I/Vermandois,Count/Soissons/Abbot/Saint-Crépin = Bertha of
Morvois
HeribertII/Vermandois,Count/Meaux = Adela/Hildebrante,dau.Robert
I,King/France
Robert/Vermandois,Count/Troyes/Meaux = Adelaïde,dau.of Giselbert,Count/
Chalon
Geoffrey I,Count of Anjou = Adèle, dau.of Robert/Vermandois,Count/
Troyes/Meaux
Conan I, Count of Rennes = Ermengarde, dau. of Geoffrey I, Count of
Anjou
Richard II, Duke/Normandy = Judith of Brittany, dau./Conan I,Count of
Rennnes
Robert I,Duke of Normandy = Herleva, dau. of Fulbert of Falaise
William I,The Conqueror King/England = Matilda,dau./Baldwin V,Count/
Flanders
Henry I, King of England = -?- unknown,cousin/Philip Gai and Nigel/of
William
Robert of Caen,Earl/Gloucester = Mabel,dau. of Robert Fitzhamon,Lord/
Glamorgan
Ranulph,Earl/Chester,King of Scots = Maud,dau./Robert of Caen,Earl/
Gloucester
Hugh de Kevelioc, Earl of Chester = Bertrada of Montfort/de Evreux
David, of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon = Maud of Chester, dau.of Hugh/
Havelioc
Robert Bruce IV, Lord of Annandale = Isabella, dau. of David,Earl/
Huntingdon
Robert Bruce V, Lord of Annandale = Isabella, dau. of Gilbert,Earl/
Clare
Robert Bruce VI, Lord of Annandale = Margaret, dau. of Neil,Earl/
Carrick
Robert I Bruce, King of Scots = Isabella, dau.of Donald,Earl/Mar
Marjorie, Princess of Scotland = Walter Stewart, 6thSteward/Scots
Robert II, 1st Stewart King of Scotland = Elizabeth,dau. Sir Adam Mure
Robert Stewart,1st Duke/Albany, Regent/Scots = Margaret Graham of
Menteith

 Robert Stewart,1st Duke/Albany, Regent/Scots = Margaret Graham of
Menteith

Robert Stewart,1st Duke/Albany, Regent/Scots = Margaret Graham of
Menteith were

... . .

HM the Queen's 17-Great Grandfather and Grandmother, as

direct descendant from Charlemagne and William I The Conqueror

your're welcome, again

aaron

above, Leo, it is that HM the Queen's 17-Great Grandmother
is Margaret Graham of Menteith

you're welcome, again

aaron


In 1361, Robert Stewart, 1st Duke of Albany, married Mary Graham,
Countess of Menteith, with whom he had several daughters, including
Lady Majorie Stewart, who married Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord/Baron
Campbell of Lochow, and one son, Murdoch Stewart, Duke of Albany; his
sister-in-law's claim to the Earldoms of Menteith and Fife allowed him
to assume those titles after marriage. Robert subsequently married
Muriella de Keith, with whom he had two sons, the elder of whom was
John Stewart, 2nd Earl of Buchan.

above, Leo, it is that HM the Queen's 17-Great Grandmother
is Margaret Graham of Menteith

you're welcome, again

and now you can correct the royal desecent errors at your website
about
the lineage of HM the Queen

aaron

Gaveston

Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av Gaveston » 05 feb 2008 15:09:02

On Feb 3, 12:17 am, "AaronParmen...@gmail.com"
<AaronParmen...@gmail.com> wrote:
Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a descendant of
William the Conqueror

John Ravilious records the integrity of the following:
Nat Taylor records the integrity of the following:
British Peerage records the integrity of the following:
Leo van de Pas does not record the same, see below:

Leo does not have Margaret Graham, Countess of Menteith
as mother of Majorie Stewart, dau. of RS, 1st Steward Duke of Albany

Robert Stewart, 1st Duke of Albany-Margaret Graham, Countess of
Menteith
Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord of Lochow=Majorie Stewart, dau. of RS, 1st
Duke
Archibald CampbellI, Master of Campbell=Elizabeth Somerville

Of this, Leo van de Pas needs to correct the first generation wife,
Margaret Graham, Countess of Menteith,
married 9 Sep 1361, by Papal dispensation

Aaron

From: "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au
Subject: Fw: Robert Stewart, 1st Duke of Albany, 1340-1420,and dau.
Lady Marjorie Stewart, 1380-1432
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:42:44 +1100

======= Can you be precise? I have 1361. The date you give (where did
it
come from?) and is it the date of the dispensation or is it the
actual
marriage date?
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

Nat Taylor proposes the Stewart pedgree segment, as follows:

http://www.nltaylor.net/ancestry/royald ... gruder.htm

1. Robert I Bruce, King of Scotland ($B"w(B 1329) $B!g(B Isabel, dau. of Donald,
Earl of Mar
2. Marjorie ($B"w(B 1316), Princess of Scotland $B!g(B Walter Stewart
(1293-1326), 6th High Steward of Scotland

3. Robert II (1316-1390), 1st Stewart King of Scotland 1371-1390 $B!g(B
Elizabeth ($B"w(B1355), dau. Sir Adam Mure

4. Robert Stewart (~1340-1420) , 1st Duke of Albany, Regent of
Scotland $B!g(B Margaret Graham of Menteith ($B"w(B1380)

5. Marjory Stewart ($B"w(B 1432) $B!g(B Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell
(~1370-1453)

6. Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell (~1393-1431/40) $B!g(B Elizabeth
Somerville

7. Colin Campbell ($B"w(B 1493), 1st Earl of Argyll $B!g(B Isabel, daughter of
John Stewart, Lord Lorn

8. Archibald Campbell ($B"w(B at the Battle of Flodden, 1513), 2d Earl of
Argyll $B!g(B Elizabeth, dau. John Stewart, Earl of Lenox

9. Donald Campbell, O. C. (1492-1562), Abbot of Coupar Angus, Lord
Privy Seal for Mary, Queen of Scots

The British Peerage website proposes the Stewart pedgree segment, as
follows:

http://www.thepeerage.com

1. Robert I Bruce, King of Scotland ($B"w(B 1329) $B!g(B Isabel, dau. of Donald,
Earl of Mar

2. Marjorie ($B"w(B 1316), Princess of Scotland $B!g(B Walter Stewart
(1293-1326), 6th High Steward of Scotland

3. Robert II (1316-1390), 1st Stewart King of Scotland 1371-1390 $B!g(B
Elizabeth ($B"w(B1355), dau. Sir Adam Mure

4. Robert Stewart (~1340-1420) , 1st Duke of Albany, Regent of
Scotland $B!g(B Margaret Graham of Menteith ($B"w(B1380)

5. Marjory Stewart ($B"w(B 1432) $B!g(B Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell
(~1370-1453)

6. Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell (~1393-1431/40) $B!g(B Elizabeth
Somerville

7. Colin Campbell ($B"w(B 1493), 1st Earl of Argyll $B!g(B Isabel, daughter of
John Stewart, Lord Lorn

8. Archibald Campbell ($B"w(B at the Battle of Flodden, 1513), 2d Earl of
Argyll $B!g(B Elizabeth, dau. John Stewart, Earl of Lenox

9. Donald Campbell, O. C. (1492-1562), Abbot of Coupar Angus, Lord
Privy Seal for Mary, Queen of Scots

[sources]:

http://www.thepeerage.com/p10802.htm#i108012

thePeerage.com
A genealogical survey of the peerage of Britain as well as the royal
families of Europe
Person Page - 10802

Sir Robert Stewart1
M, #108011, b. before 1420, d. after 1431

Last Edited=15 Mar 2006
Consanguinity Index=0.4%
Sir Robert Stewart was born before 1420. He was the son of Robert
Stewart, 1st Duke of Albany and Muriel Keith.1 He died after 1431.1
Sir Robert Stewart succeeded to the title of 4th Earl of Buchan
[S., 1382] on 17 August 1424, although he never seems to have been
recognised as the Earl of Buchan.2
Citations
1. [S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy
(London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 220. Hereinafter cited as
Britain's Royal Family.
2. [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H.
White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete
Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United
Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14
(1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton
Publishing, 2000), volume II, page 377. Hereinafter cited as The
Complete Peerage.
Lady Marjorie Stewart1
F, #108012, b. before 1380, d. before August 1432

Last Edited=20 Aug 2006
Consanguinity Index=0.1%
Lady Marjorie Stewart was born before 1380. She was the daughter
of Robert Stewart, 1st Duke of Albany and Margaret Graham, Countess of
Menteith.1,2 She married Sir Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell, son
of Sir Colin Campbell of Lochow and Mariot Campbell.2 She died before
August 1432.3,2
Lady Marjorie Stewart was also known as Marceline Stewart.2 Her
married name became Campbell.
Child of Lady Marjorie Stewart and Sir Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord
Campbell
* Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell+ b. b 1406, d. bt Aug 1431 -
Mar 14401
Citations
1. [S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy
(London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 220. Hereinafter cited as
Britain's Royal Family.
2. [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H.
White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete
Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United
Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14
(1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton
Publishing, 2000), volume II, page 512. Hereinafter cited as The
Complete Peerage.
3. [S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family, page 220, says c 1406.
Sir Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell1
M, #108013, b. before 1390, d. 1453

Last Edited=12 Jul 2005
Consanguinity Index=0.8%
Sir Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell was born before 1390.2 He
was the son of Sir Colin Campbell of Lochow and Mariot Campbell.2 He
married, firstly, Lady Marjorie Stewart, daughter of Robert Stewart,
1st Duke of Albany and Margaret Graham, Countess of Menteith.2 He
married, secondly, Margaret Stewart, daughter of Sir John Stewart,
before 12 March 1439/40.3 He died in 1453.1 He was buried at Kilmun,
Cowal.3
In 1424 he was in the list of hostages for the redemption of King
James I from captivity.2 He held the office of a Justiciar of
Argyllshire.2 He was invested as a Privy Counsellor (P.C.) [Scotland].
4 He was invested as a Knight before March 1440.2 On 4 August 1442 he
founded the Collegiate Church of Kilmun, in Cowal.2 He was created 1st
Lord Campbell [Scotland] in 1445.2 He lived at Lochow, Argyllshire,
Scotland.4
Child of Sir Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell and Lady Marjorie
Stewart
* Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell+ b. b 1406, d. bt Aug 1431 -
Mar 14401
Children of Sir Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell and Margaret
Stewart
* Sir Colin Campbell, 1st of Glenorchy+ b. b 1432, d. c Sep 14754
* Neil Campbell b. b 14424
* Duncan Campbell of Kilmichael+ b. b 14424
* Archibald Campbell b. b 14424
Citations
1. [S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy
(London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 220. Hereinafter cited as
Britain's Royal Family.
2. [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H.
White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete
Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United
Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14
(1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton
Publishing, 2000), volume II, page 512. Hereinafter cited as The
Complete Peerage.
3. [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume II, page
513.
4. [S8] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 106th
edition, 2 volumes (Crans, Switzerland: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical
Books) Ltd, 1999), volume 1, page 104. Hereinafter cited as Burke's
Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition.
Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell1
M, #108014, b. before 1406, d. between August 1431 and March 1440

Last Edited=15 Sep 2003
Consanguinity Index=0.1%
Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell was born before 1406. He
was the son of Sir Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell and Lady
Marjorie Stewart.1 He married, firstly, Elizabeth Somerville, daughter
of John Somerville, 2nd Lord Somerville and Helen Hepburn.1 He
married, secondly, unknown Stewart, daughter of Murdoch Stewart, 2nd
Duke of Albany, before 1440.2 He died between August 1431 and March
1440.1,3
Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell was also known as
Gillespic.2 He was styled as Master of Campbell.4 He was also known as
Celestine.1 He lived at Lochow, Argyllshire, Scotland.4
Child of Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell and Elizabeth
Somerville
* Colin Campbell, 1st Earl of Argyll+ b. bt 1435 - 1440, d. 10 May
14933
Citations
1. [S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy
(London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 220. Hereinafter cited as
Britain's Royal Family.
2. [S8] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 106th
edition, 2 volumes (Crans, Switzerland: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical
Books) Ltd, 1999), volume 1, page 104. Hereinafter cited as Burke's
Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition.
3. [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H.
White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete
Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United
Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14
(1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton
Publishing, 2000), volume I, page 198. Hereinafter cited as The
Complete Peerage.
4. [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume II, page
513.
Elizabeth Somerville1
F, #108015, b. before 1426

Last Edited=9 Sep 2003
Elizabeth Somerville was
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More interesting still, every monarch since George VI has been a
descendant of George VI

AaronParmenter@gmail.com

Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a de

Legg inn av AaronParmenter@gmail.com » 08 feb 2008 22:19:02

On Feb 3, 12:17 am, "AaronParmen...@gmail.com"
<AaronParmen...@gmail.com> wrote:
Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a descendant of
William the Conqueror

John Ravilious records the integrity of the following:
Nat Taylor records the integrity of the following:
British Peerage records the integrity of the following:
Leo van de Pas does not record the same, see below:

Leo does not have Margaret Graham, Countess of Menteith
as mother of Majorie Stewart, dau. of RS, 1st Steward Duke of Albany

Robert Stewart, 1st Duke of Albany-Margaret Graham, Countess of
Menteith
Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord of Lochow=Majorie Stewart, dau. of RS, 1st
Duke
Archibald CampbellI, Master of Campbell=Elizabeth Somerville

Of this, Leo van de Pas needs to correct the first generation wife,
Margaret Graham, Countess of Menteith,
married 9 Sep 1361, by Papal dispensation

Aaron


Nat Taylor proposes the Stewart pedgree segment, as follows:

http://www.nltaylor.net/ancestry/royald ... gruder.htm

1. Robert I Bruce, King of Scotland (¢÷ 1329) ¡ç Isabel, dau. of Donald,
Earl of Mar
2. Marjorie (¢÷ 1316), Princess of Scotland ¡ç Walter Stewart
(1293-1326), 6th High Steward of Scotland

3. Robert II (1316-1390), 1st Stewart King of Scotland 1371-1390 ¡ç
Elizabeth (¢÷1355), dau. Sir Adam Mure

4. Robert Stewart (~1340-1420) , 1st Duke of Albany, Regent of
Scotland ¡ç Margaret Graham of Menteith (¢÷1380)

5. Marjory Stewart (¢÷ 1432) ¡ç Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell
(~1370-1453)

6. Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell (~1393-1431/40) ¡ç Elizabeth
Somerville

7. Colin Campbell (¢÷ 1493), 1st Earl of Argyll ¡ç Isabel, daughter of
John Stewart, Lord Lorn

8. Archibald Campbell (¢÷ at the Battle of Flodden, 1513), 2d Earl of
Argyll ¡ç Elizabeth, dau. John Stewart, Earl of Lenox

9. Donald Campbell, O. C. (1492-1562), Abbot of Coupar Angus, Lord
Privy Seal for Mary, Queen of Scots

The British Peerage website proposes the Stewart pedgree segment, as
follows:

http://www.thepeerage.com

1. Robert I Bruce, King of Scotland (¢÷ 1329) ¡ç Isabel, dau. of Donald,
Earl of Mar

2. Marjorie (¢÷ 1316), Princess of Scotland ¡ç Walter Stewart
(1293-1326), 6th High Steward of Scotland

3. Robert II (1316-1390), 1st Stewart King of Scotland 1371-1390 ¡ç
Elizabeth (¢÷1355), dau. Sir Adam Mure

4. Robert Stewart (~1340-1420) , 1st Duke of Albany, Regent of
Scotland ¡ç Margaret Graham of Menteith (¢÷1380)

5. Marjory Stewart (¢÷ 1432) ¡ç Duncan Campbell, 1st Lord Campbell
(~1370-1453)

6. Archibald Campbell, Master of Campbell (~1393-1431/40) ¡ç Elizabeth
Somerville

7. Colin Campbell (¢÷ 1493), 1st Earl of Argyll ¡ç Isabel, daughter of
John Stewart, Lord Lorn

8. Archibald Campbell (¢÷ at the Battle of Flodden, 1513), 2d Earl of
Argyll ¡ç Elizabeth, dau. John Stewart, Earl of Lenox

9. Donald Campbell, O. C. (1492-1562), Abbot of Coupar Angus, Lord
Privy Seal for Mary, Queen of Scots


Stirnet, on Stewarts: and Robert, Duke of Albany, descendant of
William I The Conqueror

Robert Stewart, 1st Duke of Albany

http://www.stirnet.com/main/index.php?o ... Itemid=134


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