Christopher, son and heir of Sir Martin de la See

[John P. Ravilious]

Monday, 28 January, 2008


Hello All,

My participation in the newsgroup has been restricted
of late, and will become more so now that the tax man
cometh. However, I did one to pass on the following, and
to thank John Watson for his providing the source for same,
as well as his other many contributions to the list.

The Brynmor Jones Library Archives (University of Hull)
has made available an extensive amount of transcribed
material, largely dealing as far as I see with the areas
around Hull (Holderness and other nearby areas in Yorkshire
and Lincolnshire). Among the various records, I lately
noted a valuable item: the record of a gift (apparently
part of a complicated transfer of properties) by Martin
de la See (later a knight) dated at Barmston, 10 August
1463, to which one of the parties was his son and
heir Christopher [1].

To the best of my knowledge, there is no other record
identifying Christopher, let alone his parentage: certainly
none was noted by Poulson in his research concerning the
lordship and manors of Holderness. Christopher was most
certainly named for his maternal grandfather, Christopher
Spencer, and most likely was born some time before 10
August 1442, on the assumption that he was of age when
a party to the grant of 1463. Although he died with heir
in his father's lifetime, he was obviously a loved and
respected member of the family: both his half-sisters
named their eldest sons for him, and the name Christopher
became a staple of the Hildyard and Kelke families
thereafter.


CHRISTOPHER Brian de = Matilda Sir Philip = Mary
Spencer la See I Monceaux Wentworth I Clifford
I___ I ___________I
I I I
1) Margaret = Sir Martin de = 2) Elizabeth = 3) Margery
Spencer I la See I Wentworth
______I____ __I___________________
I I I I I
CHRISTOPHER Margaret Joan Martin Elizabeth
dsp/dvp aft = Henry = Piers dsp = Roger
10 Aug 1463 Boynton Hildyard Kelke
I I I
________________I_ ____I_________ I
I I I I I I
Henry Thomas Martin CHRISTOPHER <sibs> CHRISTOPHER
dsp Boynton, Hildyard, Esq. Kelke, of
of of Winestead Barnetby le Wold
Barmston I I
I V V
V


This provides a bit more detail, and humanity, to our
knowledge of the family of Sir Martin de la See.

Cheers,

John *



NOTES

[1] From the University of Hull, Brynmor Jones Library Archives.
URL:
http://slb-archives.hull.ac.uk/DServe/d ... rch=((text)='everyngham')

record of a grant dated at Barmston, 10 August 1463 :

' Gift: Martin del See of Barneston, esq.
To his son and heir Christopher del See, Master Richard
Andrewe dean of St. Peter's, York, Robert Thweyng of
Gatehemylsay, John Barde of North Kelsay, co. Lincs.,
Thomas Hellard of Gemlyng, Master William Benson perpetual
vicar of Brantyngham, Master Thomas Wencelagh, a parson of
the collegiate church of St. John of Beverley, Robert Est
clerk, William Bulkyn, chaplain perpetual vicar of Holym,
George Thweyng, Thomas Barde, Walter Hellard, Stephen del
See, Roger Gamesby, Robert Hobson, Robert Cokke, John
Smyth, John Bulkyn, John Andrewe and John Colynson:
all his property in Barneston, Wyngeton, Lessett, Ulrom,
Drynghowe, Beforth, Alburn, Hilderthorp, Wilsthorp, Righton,
Fordon, Killom, Ruddestan, Brantyngham, Beverley, Gemlyng,
Holym, Pattryngton, and Tharsthorp par. Patryngton:
An annual rent of ?200. Witn. Sir Walter Griffith, Sir
John Conestable, Sir William Seyntquyntyn, Walter Grymeston,
William Fenby, Thomas Tyndale. Given at Barneston.
Seal, armorial, indecipherable ' [Hull University
Archive, PAPERS OF THE WICKHAM-BOYNTON FAMILY
(INCORPORATING GRIFFITH) OF BURTON AGNES, DDWB/20/27]


* John P. Ravilious

[John P. Ravilious]

Errate et corrigenda:

For

"Although he died with heir in his father's lifetime",

read

"Although he died without heir in his father's lifetime,.."


Cheers,

John



On Jan 28, 11:19 pm, "John P. Ravilious" <[email protected]> wrote:

Monday, 28 January, 2008

Hello All,

My participation in the newsgroup has been restricted
of late, and will become more so now that the tax man
cometh. However, I did one to pass on the following, and
to thank John Watson for his providing the source for same,
as well as his other many contributions to the list.

The Brynmor Jones Library Archives (University of Hull)
has made available an extensive amount of transcribed
material, largely dealing as far as I see with the areas
around Hull (Holderness and other nearby areas in Yorkshire
and Lincolnshire). Among the various records, I lately
noted a valuable item: the record of a gift (apparently
part of a complicated transfer of properties) by Martin
de la See (later a knight) dated at Barmston, 10 August
1463, to which one of the parties was his son and
heir Christopher [1].

To the best of my knowledge, there is no other record
identifying Christopher, let alone his parentage: certainly
none was noted by Poulson in his research concerning the
lordship and manors of Holderness. Christopher was most
certainly named for his maternal grandfather, Christopher
Spencer, and most likely was born some time before 10
August 1442, on the assumption that he was of age when
a party to the grant of 1463. Although he died with heir
in his father's lifetime, he was obviously a loved and
respected member of the family: both his half-sisters
named their eldest sons for him, and the name Christopher
became a staple of the Hildyard and Kelke families
thereafter.

CHRISTOPHER Brian de = Matilda Sir Philip = Mary
Spencer la See I Monceaux Wentworth I Clifford
I___ I ___________I
I I I
1) Margaret = Sir Martin de = 2) Elizabeth = 3) Margery
Spencer I la See I Wentworth
______I____ __I___________________
I I I I I
CHRISTOPHER Margaret Joan Martin Elizabeth
dsp/dvp aft = Henry = Piers dsp = Roger
10 Aug 1463 Boynton Hildyard Kelke
I I I
________________I_ ____I_________ I
I I I I I I
Henry Thomas Martin CHRISTOPHER <sibs> CHRISTOPHER
dsp Boynton, Hildyard, Esq. Kelke, of
of of Winestead Barnetby le Wold
Barmston I I
I V V
V

This provides a bit more detail, and humanity, to our
knowledge of the family of Sir Martin de la See.

Cheers,

John *

NOTES

[1] From the University of Hull, Brynmor Jones Library Archives.
URL:http://slb-archives.hull.ac.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqIni=Dserve.ini&ds...)

record of a grant dated at Barmston, 10 August 1463 :

' Gift: Martin del See of Barneston, esq.
To his son and heir Christopher del See, Master Richard
Andrewe dean of St. Peter's, York, Robert Thweyng of
Gatehemylsay, John Barde of North Kelsay, co. Lincs.,
Thomas Hellard of Gemlyng, Master William Benson perpetual
vicar of Brantyngham, Master Thomas Wencelagh, a parson of
the collegiate church of St. John of Beverley, Robert Est
clerk, William Bulkyn, chaplain perpetual vicar of Holym,
George Thweyng, Thomas Barde, Walter Hellard, Stephen del
See, Roger Gamesby, Robert Hobson, Robert Cokke, John
Smyth, John Bulkyn, John Andrewe and John Colynson:
all his property in Barneston, Wyngeton, Lessett, Ulrom,
Drynghowe, Beforth, Alburn, Hilderthorp, Wilsthorp, Righton,
Fordon, Killom, Ruddestan, Brantyngham, Beverley, Gemlyng,
Holym, Pattryngton, and Tharsthorp par. Patryngton:
An annual rent of ?200. Witn. Sir Walter Griffith, Sir
John Conestable, Sir William Seyntquyntyn, Walter Grymeston,
William Fenby, Thomas Tyndale. Given at Barneston.
Seal, armorial, indecipherable ' [Hull University
Archive, PAPERS OF THE WICKHAM-BOYNTON FAMILY
(INCORPORATING GRIFFITH) OF BURTON AGNES, DDWB/20/27]

* John P. Ravilious