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Leo van de Pas

Fw: Shakespearian Tragedy ?

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 26 jan 2008 08:38:52

Dear Peter,

I think it is an interesting approach, but as I said I doubt "proof" will
ever be available.

Do I reed in the URL that this story has been around since 2000? The end of
year 2007 magazine speaks about the research having taken three years, but
that may well mean that she started in 1997 :-)

I hate it when people persuing a story first mention a possibility and then
continue as though they have proven it.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas

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From: "Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com>
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Subject: Re: Shakespearian Tragedy ?


This isn't new, Leo - see

http://www.hammerschmidt-hummel.de/tran ... er2000.htm

The word that tells the story is not "evidence" so much as her claim that
she "produced" this, rather than uncovered it.

"Evidence" from supposed resemblances can only be subjective and
practically worthless, no matter what forensic techniques are applied.
There are only so many reference points in a human face, much less in a
two-dimensional painting of one, and comparison is not an exact science.

Nor is reading. A great deal can be - and far more than a great deal has
been - read into Shakespeare's sonnets, but there is nothing specific
enough in them to justify even the departure point of
Hammerschmidt-Hummel's effort to produce "evidence".

Peter Stewart


"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.2606.1201327027.4586.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...

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Only today did I pick up the Christmas issue 2007 of Family
History Monthly. On page 12 is a story about the research of
Hildegard Hammerschmidt-Hummel. She lectures in English
Literature at the University of Mainz in Germany.

I will let her speak for herself, but I am going to change one word,
she says she produced evidence, and I think it is only a suggestion.

"For centuries there has been doubt about the identity of Shakespeare's
'Dark Lady', who he wrote a number of sonnets about. I believe she
was Elizabeth Vernon, who in 1598 married the Earl of Southampton,
when she was already highly pregnant. I was able to produce suggestions
that it was William Shakespeare, not the 3rd Earl of Southampton, who
fathered Vernon's first-born daughter Penelope."



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Peter Stewart

Re: Shakespearian Tragedy ?

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 26 jan 2008 08:51:39

"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.2613.1201333182.4586.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
Dear Peter,

I think it is an interesting approach, but as I said I doubt "proof" will
ever be available.

Do I reed in the URL that this story has been around since 2000? The end
of year 2007 magazine speaks about the research having taken three years,
but that may well mean that she started in 1997 :-)

Hammerschmidt-Hummel's book about this was published in 1999 - see

http://shakespeare.let.uu.nl/hammerschmidt.htm

Peter Stewart

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