Dear Will,
Unfortunately, the Constables of Halsham and those of Flamborough
have been the subject of unending exasperation. Between their
surname, common geographic location (East Riding of Yorkshire) and
tendency to choose the same names and families to marry into (Thweng
in particular), one would think there was a conspiracy to confuse
their descendants. Conspiracy or not, the confusion continues.
I am working on a cleanup of my Constable of Flamborough files;
meanwhile, the best thing I can do at present is to provide the
descent of Constable of Halsham, as I now have it (see below). You
will note, this includes what you gave as the first two generations of
the pedigree: from the third generation (1.1.1) in your post, the
Constables shown are of the Flamborough family.
I hope this is useful. Please advise of any questions or
corrections you may note.
Cheers,
John
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CONSTABLE OF HALSHAM
1 Fulk de Oyry
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served in Ireland, 1210:
Sean Duffy wrote, re: King John and Baldwin, count of Aumale, in
Ireland, August 1210:
' Baldwin spent at least part of the summer of 1210 in Ireland. The
praestita roll records payments made to Flemish knights at Dublin on
28 June and at Greenoge (in the barony of Ratoath, County Meath) two
days later, at Carlingford on 11 July, Carrickfergus on 27 July,
Drogheda on 9 August, and Fore (in County Westmeath) on 11 August.39
Within a week King John was back at Dublin, where substantial payments
were again made to the Flemings in his service, including, on 19
August, to the count of Aumale himself . [Rot. liberate, p. 214.
Baldwin's tenants Fulk and Lambert de Oyry and Robert de Ros received
prests at Dublin on 21 August (ibid., p. 225). The `knights of the
earl of Aubemarle' received further payments at Dublin two days later
(ibid., p. 226). All told, at least thirty-three Flemish knights
received prests during the expedition (Painter, King John, p. 265 n.
130).] ' [Duffy[1]]
' Quitclaim for 3 marks: Thomas de Alost to his nephew Robert the
Constable property ½ carucate in Flintona which Reginald Rex held of
T. de A. Witn. Fulk de Olry, John de Melsa, Adam de Thorne, Stephen
de
Merflet, Ralph de Gousill, Peter Brimbald Ranulf the sheriff, William
Passemer, William Oy', Herbert de Flinton, Peter de Melsa, Richard
Buk, Simon the Constable, William de [...] Walscoc, Gilbert de
Walscock, Thomas the clerk.
(Early 13th cent.)
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11 Gift: Fulk de Oiri to Robert the Constable in marriage with his
daughter Ela property ½ carucate in Newton which Robert the Constable
(uncle of the said Robert) gave to Walter de Tharet Witn. Adam de
Torno, John de Melsa, Simon de Sketling, William Passemer, John de
Humbleton, Walter de Weton, William de Holbechia, William de
Welsonia,
Robert de Glocestre, William de.
(Early 13th cent.)
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12 Memorandum that no words have been omitted from the preceding
deed,
but some are missing from it which are present in that following.
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13 As 11 but including a clause for reversion to Fulk on deaths of
Robert, Ela and heirs of their bodies, Fulk rendering £1 yearly to
right heirs of Robert. Witn. as 11 but "Sketling" now "Skeftling" and
Ranulf the sheriff is included.' [A2A, East Riding of Yorkshire
Archives and Records Service: Chichester-Constable Family [DDCC/111 -
DDCC/135], Reference: DDCC/135/51 : "Records and Deeds mentioned in
the large Pedigree of the Constables"[2] ]
Children: Ela
Emecina
1.1 Ela de Oyry
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cf. A2A, East Riding of Yorkshire Archives and Records Service:
Chichester-Constable Family [DDCC/111 - DDCC/135], Reference: DDCC/
135/51 : "Records and Deeds mentioned in the large Pedigree of the
Constables"[2]
Spouse: Robert le Constable
Children: William
1.1.1 William le Constable
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of Halsham in Holderness
record of a gift in free marriage, Sept 1227:
' Gift: Marmaduke de Tweng to William the Constable of Holderness, in
marriage with his daughter Cicely property £7. rents in co. Lincs.
(i.e. 100s. from Prior and convent of Sixell for land in Legelby and
Wivelingham; and 40s. from Robert de Hotham for the town of Hotham)
Witn. Fulk de Oyri, John de Athona, Walter de Grendalle, Roger
Agillum, John de Elington, Gilbert de Athona, Simon the Constable,
William de Driffeud, Simon de Stutevill, Thomas de Hotham, William de
Burton, Walter de Hotham, Walter de Edlington, Thomas de Melsa,
Robert
de Galmetun. (Sep. 1227) ' [A2A, East Riding of Yorkshire Archives
and Records Service: Chichester-Constable Family [DDCC/111 - DDCC/
135], Reference: DDCC/135/51 : "Records and Deeds mentioned in the
large Pedigree of the Constables"[2] ]
Spouse: Cecily de Thweng
Father: Marmaduke de Thweng (->1234)
Mother: Margery
Marr: ca 29 Sep 1227[3]
Children: William
Sir Simon (-<1294)
1.1.1.1 William le Constable
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' William son of William the Constable and Simon his brother', witness
(together with Lord William de Fort [...], Earl of Albemarle, Sir
Simon de Ver, Sir Fulk the Constable, Sir Godfrey de Melsa, Sir Ralph
de Wellewyk, Sir John de Frysmarays, Walter de Faucunberg, Robert de
Scurs, William son of Peter de la Twyer, Simon de Preston, Walter de
Pykering, William son of William the Constable and Simon his brother)
to a Confirmation in frankalmoign by William the Constable (son of
Robert) to Meaux Abbey property: all lands and tenements given to the
Abbey by Robert the Constable senr. in Tarlesthorp, including his
manor of Tarlesthorp, 'as in his charter', 1258 [PRO, East Riding of
Yorkshire Archives and Records Service: Chichester-Constable Family
[DDCC/51 - DDCC/110] , DDCC/93/1[2]- ref. to Early Yorkshire Charters
Vol III. p. 79. 1364.[4]]
he d.s.p. (possibly d.v.p.), his brother Simon succeeding to Halsham.
1.1.1.2 Sir Simon le Constable
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Death: bef 1 Mar 1294[5]
of Halsham and Burton Constable, co. Yorks. & c.
' William son of William the Constable and Simon his brother', witness
(together with Lord William de Fort [...], Earl of Albemarle, Sir
Simon de Ver, Sir Fulk the Constable, Sir Godfrey de Melsa, Sir Ralph
de Wellewyk, Sir John de Frysmarays, Walter de Faucunberg, Robert de
Scurs, William son of Peter de la Twyer, Simon de Preston, Walter de
Pykering, William son of William the Constable and Simon his brother)
to a Confirmation in frankalmoign by William the Constable (son of
Robert) to Meaux Abbey property: all lands and tenements given to the
Abbey by Robert the Constable senr. in Tarlesthorp, including his
manor of Tarlesthorp, 'as in his charter', 1258 [A2A, East Riding of
Yorkshire Archives and Records Service: Chichester-Constable Family
[DDCC/51 - DDCC/110] , DDCC/93/1[2]- ref. to Early Yorkshire Charters
Vol III. p. 79. 1364.[4]]
held a moiety of 2 bovates in Holme, together with his cousin Peter de
Goushill, 1285-6:
' Simon le Constable, Petrus de Gousell et Stephanus de Paglam tenent
in Hulmo et Paghell ij bov. terrae; unde, ut supra. ' [Kirkby's
Inquest, p. 77[6], wapentake of Holderness]
' Memorandum of adoption by Simon le Constable son of William, and
grandchild and heir of Adela de Ory of the Oiry arms (barry or and
azure) in place of those of his ancestors (or a fess chequy argent
and
azure, in chief a lion passant gules). ' [A2A, East Riding of
Yorkshire Archives and Records Service: Chichester-Constable Family
[DDCC/111 - DDCC/135], Reference: DDCC/135/51 : "Records and Deeds
mentioned in the large Pedigree of the Constables"[2] ]
cf. YAS XCI:49-50 [sub _Robert le Constable of Holderness_[7]]
Spouse: Katherine
Death: aft 1 Mar 1294[7]
Children: Ela (-<1318)
Robert (-<1336)
1.1.1.2.1 Ela le Constable
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Death: bef 12 Feb 1318[8]
' Ela [Constable], mar. John Fauconberg. ' [The Genealogist XX:176[9]]
Spouse: Sir John de Fauconberge, Lord Fauconberge
Death: bef 12 Feb 1318[8],[10]
Father: Walter de Fauconberge (-1318)
Mother: Isabel de Ros
Children: Walter, Lord Fauconberge (-1362)
John
William
Erneburga
Joan
1.1.1.2.2a Robert le Constable*[3]
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Death: bef 9 Jan 1336[7]
of Halsham, co. York.[3]
' Defeasance of Acknowledgement before the King's justices at York by
Sir Robert son of Simon le Constable de Holdernesse, ('Mon. after
quindene St. Martin 2 Ed. I - i.e. 27 Nov. 1273) that he owes his son
John £2,000 of silver and has granted to him an annual rent of £100 of
silver from his manors of Halsham and Burton Constable and his
property in Tharlsthorp Otryngham, Kaynham, Paghel and Paghelholm.
(Defeasable on condition Sir R. does not alienate anything from
inheritance of J? - Incomplete). Witn. Sir Robert de Hilton, Sir
Walter de Fawcumberge, Sir William de la Towers, John de Surderal,
Herbert de Flynton, John son of Thomas Glocestre, Walter de
Waldegrave, Robert de Wythornwyk.' - A2A, East Riding of Yorkshire
Archives and Records Service: Chichester-Constable Family [DDCC/111 -
DDCC/135] , "Records and Deeds mentioned in the large Pedigree of the
Constables" : DDCC/135/51, No. 26[2]
Marriage Settlement: dated 19 Apr. 1282:
' between Sir Roger de Lascelles and Sir Simon le Constable: on
marriage of Robert, son and heir of Sir Simon, and Avice, daughter of
Sir Roger, which shall take place before Nat. St. John baptist
following (24 June) property Sir R. to settle his manor of
Thornetofte, co. Lincs. on R. and A. and children. To revert to Sir.
R., if there be no children. Sir R. to pay 250 marks to R., if he
(Sir. R.) have a male heir who survives him. Sir S. to give to them
his manor of Dodynton (Dunnington) in Holderness Witn. Sir William de
Saham, Justice of the King, Sir William de Holteby. John Cheyna the
writer of this. 3 weeks of Easter 10 Ed. I. ' - A2A, East Riding of
Yorkshire Archives and Records Service: Chichester-Constable Family
[DDCC/111 - DDCC/135] , "Records and Deeds mentioned in the large
Pedigree of the Constables" : DDCC/135/51, No. 28[2]
assessment (1301) in the Lay Subsidy of 30 Edw I, Wapentake of
Gilling, co. Yorks., for lands in 'Thrynetofte':
' De Roberto le Conestable vijs. ixd. o. ' [Yorkshire Lay
Subsidy, pp. 8-26[11]]
cf. YAS XCI:49-50 [sub _Robert le Constable of Holderness_[7]]
he m. 1stly NN,
2ndly Avice de Lascelles
Spouse: Avice de Lascelles [2nd wife]
Death: aft 9 May 1356[2]
Father: Roger de Lascelles (-ca1300)
Mother: Elizabeth 'filia Willielmi' (-<1323)
Marr: aft 19 Apr 1282[2]
1.1.1.2.2b Robert le Constable* (See above)
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Spouse: NN [1st wife]
Children: John (-1349)
1.1.1.2.2b.1 John le Constable
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Death: Sep 1349[7]
of Halsham in Holderness, co. Yorks.
' Defeasance of Acknowledgement before the King's justices at York by
Sir Robert son of Simon le Constable de Holdernesse, ('Mon. after
quindene St. Martin 2 Ed. I - i.e. 27 Nov. 1273) that he owes his son
John £2,000 of silver and has granted to him an annual rent of £100 of
silver from his manors of Halsham and Burton Constable and his
property in Tharlsthorp Otryngham, Kaynham, Paghel and Paghelholm.
(Defeasable on condition Sir R. does not alienate anything from
inheritance of J? - Incomplete). Witn. Sir Robert de Hilton, Sir
Walter de Fawcumberge, Sir William de la Towers, John de Surderal,
Herbert de Flynton, John son of Thomas Glocestre, Walter de
Waldegrave, Robert de Wythornwyk.' - A2A, East Riding of Yorkshire
Archives and Records Service: Chichester-Constable Family [DDCC/111 -
DDCC/135] , "Records and Deeds mentioned in the large Pedigree of the
Constables" : DDCC/135/51, No. 26[2]
Spouse: Albreda
Children: John (-<1407)
1.1.1.2.2b.1.1 John Constable
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Death: bef 28 Jan 1407[2],[7]
Burial: All Saints' church, Halsham, co. Yorks.[12]
of Halsham in Holderness, co. Yorks.
beneficiary of quitclaim dated 23 Apr. 1379 (witnessed by his
[future] father-in-law,
Sir Robert de Hilton):
' Sir Thomas of Meaux to Sir John Constable of Halsham property manor
of Esthalsham sometime of Sir John of Meaux son and heir of Sir
Godfrey of Meaux dec'd. with appurtenances in Esthalsham and
Rymeswell
Witn. Sir Ralph of Haistynges, Sir Thomas of Sutton, Sir Robert of
Hilton, Sir John Wygood, Sir Walter Faucomberge. Given at Halsham, St.
George the martyr 2 Ric. II.' [A2A, East Riding of Yorkshire Archives
and Records Service: Chichester-Constable Family [DDCC/136 - DDCC2/G],
DDCC/141/68/p1/a[2] ]
'knight of the shire', co. Yorks., Parliament of Apr 1379; Nov. 1380;
Oct. 1383[7]
will dated 17 Nov 1407, proved 4 March 1407/8[7]
cf. YAS XCI:135-6[7]
Spouse: Maud Hilton
Death: bef 10 Nov 1419[12]
Father: Sir Robert Hilton, of Swine and Winestead
Mother: Isabel
Children: Sir William (-<1419)
Thomas
1.1.1.2.2b.1.1.1 Sir William Constable
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Death: bef 1 Sep 1419[12]
of Halsham in Holderness, co. Yorks.
Grant dated 28 Jan. 1408/9
' Sir William Constable to his uncle Sir Robert Hilton, his relative
Sir Robert of Hilton, his brother Thomas Constable, John of Holme and
John Grene property all his property in Tharlesthorpe Otringham,
Kayingham, Halsham, Pauleholme, Paule, Dodyngton, and Hedon; and
reversion of all property held by his mother Lady Matilda Conesstable
and of all property held of him for terms of lives
Witn. Sir Robert Twier, Sir John of Routh, Sir Stephen of Thorp,
Master Anthony of St. Quintin rector of Hornse, Master William of
Retherby rector of Wynested, John Pigot rector of Rosse; John Disney,
Ralph of Lellay, James of Hedon, John of Croft and John Arnald esqs.
Given at Halsham. ' [A2A, East Riding of Yorkshire Archives and
Records Service: Chichester-Constable Family [DDCC/136 - DDCC2/G],
DDCC/141/68/p5/a[2] ]
Spouse: Elizabeth Metham
Children: John
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http://www.uiowa.edu/~c030149a/northern ... rktext.pdfOn Jan 16, 7:24Â pm, wjhonson <
[email protected]> wrote:
On Jan 15, 7:51Â pm, "John P. Ravilious" <
[email protected]> wrote:
 '  Gift: Marmaduke de Tweng to William the Constable of Holderness,
in marriage with his daughter Cicely property �7. rents in co. Lincs.
(i.e. 100s. from Prior and convent of Sixell for land in Legelby and
Wivelingham; and 40s. from Robert de Hotham for the town of Hotham)
   Witn. Fulk de Oyri, John de Athona, Walter de Grendalle, Roger
Agillum, John de Elington, Gilbert de Athona, Simon the Constable,
William de Driffeud, Simon de Stutevill, Thomas de Hotham, William de
Burton, Walter de Hotham, Walter de Edlington, Thomas de Melsa, Robert
de Galmetun.
(Sep. 1227)
17 Convention between Sir Marmaduke de Tweng and William the
Constable, son of Robert the Constable of Holdernesse property 1
bovate and service of 6 carucates in Killum given by Sir M. to W. in
marriage with his daughter Cicely Reserving services due to the
archbishop and chapter of Rouen Witn. Fulk de Oyri, John de Ancona,
Walter Grendalle, Roger Agillun, John de Edlington, Simon the
Constable. Michaelmas 1227.
(29 Sep. 1227)
   If there's anything further I might be able to provide (other
than staples), please let me know. Â Also, if you should find proof of
the elusive Thweng connection to Constable of Flamborough (I think a
dau. of Marmaduke de Thweng and Lucy de Brus), that would be quite a
find.
Thank you John for the quotes. Â It looks likely that they married in
or near Sep 1227. Â Is this reconstruction accurate?
1 Robert Constable of Holderness
1.1 William Constable, adult by 1227 when he is named a party to his
own marriage contract, married Cecelia Thweng
1.1.1 Sir Robert Constable, Knt of Flamborough, Yorks., married
Katherine de Mauley. Â He was yet living on 8 Dec 1336
1.1.1.1 Marmaduke Constable, married Elizabeth somebody having son
William by 1314.
1.1.1.2 Isabel Constable (d 1346) married Edward de Thweng (d 15 Oct
1344) and had issue
1.1.1.3 Margery Constable married Geoffrey St Quentin and had issue
If so, I'm uncertain what happened with Holderness.
Thanks
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