Botelers of Ireland: The First Generations Part II

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Good Morning,
A Continuation of Part I:


Theobald Walter Born c. 1140 - d. before 10/8 1205(Cal. Close Rolls p.
54). As Stated in Part I Hervey Walter gave him his lands in
Amounderness abt 1160(Lib. Nig.) that make Theobald Walter approx 60
years of age in 1200 and 65 when he dies.

Theobald Walter mar. 1st ? there is a pipe roll alluding to this, I
have it but must find it.(buried in boxes)
Children:
Beatrice

Theobald Walter mar. 2nd Matilda/Maud Vavasour dau. of Robert Vavasour
Children:
1. Matilda maried to Gerald Pendergast
2. Theobald II

Notes; Theobald and his sister Matilda were initially a ward of the
king by Gilbert fitzReinfried, then by Robert Vavasour (1206), father
of their mother, Matilda/Maud, Then of Fulk fitzWarin, who married
Matilda/Maud, widow of Theobald Walter.

2/8/1214 The King grants wardship of Theobald II to Reginald de
Pontibus.Pons/Ponte, custody of his lands of Weeton, Treules and
Routhcliffe and to marry his daughter.
Further Reginald is also custodian of Theobalds lands in Thurles (CDI
nos. 514,516),
"..of Theobalds son and heir to Reginald Pontibus to marry his
daughter and direct seisin of all Theobalds estates except
Amounderness which the King had given to Theobald should be made to
the said Reginald" (Close Rolls p. 163b). August 24, 16 John, The
king commands Henry Archbishop of Dublin cause to be given to Reginald
de Pontibus or his emissary full seisin of the castles
Dorles,Rashue,Loshe, Armolen and Kakaulis which belonged to Theobald
Walter in Ireland and anything taken for the latter after they had
been given to Reginald de Pontibus shall be restored", (Pat Close
Rolls 16 John, p.1 m13).
Godifre de Marisco held the same (Pat. Close Rolls 16 John p.1
m12)Robert de Marisco had warship of Thurles in 1219(CDI no. 906
Who is Reginald de Pontibus?
Steward of Poitou and Gascony in 1254(Cal. Pat Rolls Henry III Vol IV
pp.302-303) In charge of the Kings money in Poitou 1214 Letter from
the King to Reginald de Pontibus concerning Emery the
moneymaker(Claus. 17 John, mem.14)Dec. 8, 1215

Theobald II mar. 1st dau of Reginald de Pontibus
" mar 2nd Joand du Marrisco/Marais /Marsh
" mar. 3rd Rohese de Verdun
it is known whose children he had by Rhoese de Verdun, it is NOT
known by which of his first two wives, he had Theobald III, as until
now this first marriage has not been mentioned. Comments-thoughts MORE
than welcome!

Theobald II comes of age by July 2, 1221(Close Rolls p.463) and is
dead by 1230

Interesting side bar: Botelers Barons of Wem and Oversley and of
Sudley, Badminton and Woodhall are also descended from Theobald Walter
thru the female line. To Wit: Theobald II mother, Matilda/Maud,
married Fulk fitzWarin, whose daughter Hawise(Hawise and Theobald are
1/2 brother/sister) married William Pantulf, Baron of Wem whose
daughter married Ralph Boteler of Oversley and he became Baron of Wem
in the right of his wife. Thus Theobald II Pincerna of Ireland is the
Great 1/2 Uncle of Ralphs children.

Part III coming.
Best Regards,
Emmett L. Butler