Botelers of Ireland: the First Generations, Part I

[Gjest]

Good Morning,
This will be Part I of several parts...I had the entire article
written yesterday morning 2 1/2 hrs worth of typing, hit the send and
it said time was expired and deleted it all. Hence this format. You
will fiind many things previously not written about and many
surprises, I hope you enjoy..!!!

Hervey mar. Alledgedly Aliz (some say Aliz Walter)

Children:

Aliz/Alice Given in marriage to Orm, son/brother of Magnus*
I have seen the latin translated both ways, bears further
investigation to those who can read it better than I. It is important
to the extent that there would be a generation gap as Roger de Hutton
is then either a son or grandson of Magnus and that line,(Testa Vol
II, p. 818) (Cockersand Chartulary p. 166)

Hervey Walter mar. Matilda/Maud dau. of of Theobald Valoignes/Valoines

Children:
1. Hubert Walter, clerk, various religious posts, Archbishop of
Cantebury, well documented for those interested. d. 1205
2. Theobald Walter b. approx 1140, given Amounderness about 1160 by
his father Hervey Walter who kept the fee of the Bishopric of the See
of Ely for himself (Lib. Nig.)
3. Roger b.? d. 1199, known as Roger de Warton, Mar. 1st? mar. 2nd
Quinelda,Roger was a witness to his fathers charter to Priory of
Butley along with his brother Hamon when Butley was granted lands in
Wingfield.
4. Hamon grantetd the manor in Inchington Norfolk, later in Heaton and
E(s)thistleton, Mar. dau. of Warin Busil, witness of charter of
Hervey, his father above.
5. Bartholomew, little is known, but was a witness to his brother
Huberts charter. Believed to be a clerk and was of a religious order.

Lands held by Hervey Walter:

This is incredibly important as will be seen later when the Botelers
of Warrington (held by the Earl Ferrars) Botelers of Ireland(held by
the King and of Warrington,i.e. Earl of Ferrars) and the Botelers of
Rawcliff(Botelers children of Theobald Walters Brothers children and
his own descent) to keep things straight.

LANCASTER

1/2 knights fee in Withington(Weeton)
Grenhole(Grenhalgh)
E(s)thistleton
Treveles(Treales)
Routhclive(Upper Rawcliffe)
Middle Routhclive (Rawlcifffe M)
Saurbrec(Swarbrick)
Mithop(Mythorp)
1 caracute of the Barony of Penwortham
Moiety of Mereton (Marton)
3 caracutes of the King by searjentry

SUFFOLK

1/2 knifgts fee in Boxted
1/2 Knights fee in Aulmested
1/3 knights fee in Belage
1/7 knights fee in Newton

NORFOLK

Manor of Inchington

Part II next.
Best Regards,
Emmett L. Butler

[John Watson]

On Jan 6, 9:31 pm, [email protected] wrote:

Good Morning,
This will be Part I of several parts...I had the entire article
written yesterday morning 2 1/2 hrs worth of typing, hit the send and
it said time was expired and deleted it all. Hence this format. You
will fiind many things previously not written about and many
surprises, I hope you enjoy..!!!

Hi Emmett,

I'll give you a tip about lengthy posts to SGM. Firstly, type the
whole post in some other program such as MS Word. This means that you
can read it and correct it at your leisure, before submitting it. This
method also has the added advantage of allowing you to use the built-
in spell checker and grammar checker. Then you can copy all your text
and paste it into your post.

Regards,

John

[Gjest]

On Jan 7, 3:32�am, John Watson <[email protected]> wrote:

On Jan 6, 9:31 pm, [email protected] wrote:> Good Morning,
�This will be Part I of several parts...I had the entire article
written yesterday morning 2 1/2 hrs worth of typing, hit the send and
it said time was expired and deleted it all. Hence this format. You
will fiind many things previously not written about and many
surprises, I hope you enjoy..!!!

Hi Emmett,

I'll give you a tip about lengthy posts to SGM. Firstly, type the
whole post in some other program such as MS Word. This means that you
can read it and correct it at your leisure, before submitting it. This
method also has the added advantage of allowing you to use the built-
in spell checker and grammar checker. Then you can copy all your text
and paste it into your post.

Regards,

John

Good Morning John,
Thank you sir. I had thought about that but was not sure if one could
do that or no, rather button challenged, but I will ask a few friends
how to go about it. It takes me forever to go thru spelliing and such
and then I do not get it right. :0)
Best Regards,
Emmett L. Butler