1900 Census look up.

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Graeme Wall

1900 Census look up.

Legg inn av Graeme Wall » 22 des 2007 16:40:33

Could someone do a look up for me in New Yoek in 1900.

I'm looking for a Thomas de Breton Godfrey and his wife Ruth Mary Ann (nee
Wall formerly Baranoff). Tney married in England in 1898 and are thought to
have gone to New York shortly after. Either or both of them may have been
bigamously married!

Also can anyone find a Constantin Baranoff, also in New York.

Many thanks

--
Graeme Wall

My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy>

CWatters

Re: 1900 Census look up.

Legg inn av CWatters » 22 des 2007 16:40:34

"Graeme Wall" <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8689f554f%Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk...

Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)

Buck Walter John T B.Stortford 3a947
Godfrey Thomas De Breton B. Stortford 3a947
Thickings Amy B Stortford 3a947
Wall Ruth Mary A B. Stortford 3a947

Are you sure that's the same Ruth?


Yes for two reasons, first Ruth Mary Ann Wall appears to be a unique name,
she's named after her paternal grandmother, Ruth Mary Ann Whitethorne.

Secondly I've just been contacted by someone who is tracing the de Breton
Godfrey connection. There's a family story of Thomas blowing his
inheritance
(an Irish estate) on fast living, abandoning his wife and two children,
and
running off to New York with a Ruth Baranoff.


Should get the cert to check fathers name.

Michael Kenefick

Re: 1900 Census look up.

Legg inn av Michael Kenefick » 22 des 2007 17:37:17

Hello Graeme,

Here are the results for Godfrey born in England from Heritagequest.com. I do
not know if the 73 year old is the one you want(?).

Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year
GODFREY ARCHIE R 32 M W ENGL NY JEFFERSON CAPE VINCENT 1900
GODFREY ARTHUR 24 M W ENGL NY ERIE 17-WD BUFFALO 1900
GODFREY ARTHUR 40 M W ENGL NY SUFFOLK HUNTINGTON 1900
GODFREY CLEMENT 32 M W ENGL NY KINGS 7-WD BROOKLYN BORO 1900
GODFREY ELLEN 58 F W ENGL NY NIAGARA LOCKPORT 1900
GODFREY GEORGE 37 M W ENGL NY KINGS 20-WD BROOKLYN BORO 1900
GODFREY GEORGE 23 M W ENGL NY SARATOGA MILTON 1900
GODFREY HANNAH 60 F W ENGL NY ERIE 17-WD BUFFALO 1900
GODFREY HARRY 32 M W ENGL NY KINGS 13-WD BROOKLYN BORO 1900
GODFREY JOHN 39 M W ENGL NY NEW YORK 24-WD BRONX BORO 1900
GODFREY PETER 55 M W ENGL NY NEW YORK MANHATTAN BORO 1900
GODFREY ROBERT 47 M W ENGL NY NEW YORK 22-WD MANHATTAN BORO 1900
GODFREY SUSAN F W ENGL NY ONTARIO SENECA 1900
GODFREY THOMAS 73 M W ENGL NY SENECA WATERLOO 1900
GODFREY WILLIAM 34 M W ENGL NY ERIE 17-WD BUFFALO 1900
GODFREY WILLIAM 59 M W ENGL NY GENESEE 4-WD BATAVIA 1900
GODFREY WILLIAM 57 M W ENGL NY JEFFERSON CAPE VINCENT

Searching for a Thomas born in England gives to many hits NEW YORK Results: 3762

Search for Breton gave 11 hits, only 1 female born in England
Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year
BRETON CHARLES 34 M W NY NY NEW YORK 21-WD MANHATTAN BORO 1900
BRETON CHARLES 33 M W FRAN NY QUEENS 4-WD QUEENS BORO 1900
BRETON EUGEN 33 M W FRAN NY NEW YORK MANHATTAN BORO 1900
BRETON FERDINAND 48 M W CANA NY RENSSELAER 4-WD TROY 1900
BRETON IDA 24 F W ENGL NY ERIE 23-WD BUFFALO 1900
BRETON JUSTUS 58 M W NY NY DUTCHESS PINE PLAINS 1900
BRETON LOUIS 56 M W FRAN NY ERIE CHEEKTOWAGA 1900
BRETON LOUIS 26 M W NY NY ERIE CHEEKTOWAGA 1900
BRETON LUCY A 19 F W FRAN NY NEW YORK MANHATTAN BORO 1900
BRETON NAPOLIEN 37 M W CANA NY RENSSELAER 11-WD TROY 1900
BRETON RICHARD 27 M W IREL NY ONONDAGA 10-WD SYRACUSE 1900

Search for De Breton gave no hits.

This is the only Baranoff in New york in 1900.
Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year
BARANOFF MICHAEL 36 M W RUSS NY NEW YORK MANHATTAN BORO 1900

A search for Constantin only found 153 results. Most are males many born in
Europe, none born in England on the 1900.

Do you have any ages? Any suspected county?

Mike in Ohio

Graeme Wall wrote:
Could someone do a look up for me in New Yoek in 1900.

I'm looking for a Thomas de Breton Godfrey and his wife Ruth Mary Ann (nee
Wall formerly Baranoff). Tney married in England in 1898 and are thought to
have gone to New York shortly after. Either or both of them may have been
bigamously married!

Also can anyone find a Constantin Baranoff, also in New York.

Many thanks

Graeme Wall

Re: 1900 Census look up.

Legg inn av Graeme Wall » 22 des 2007 18:32:31

In message <476D3D50.3070502@sbcglobal.net>
Michael Kenefick <michael_kenefick@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Hello Graeme,

Here are the results for Godfrey born in England from Heritagequest.com. I
do not know if the 73 year old is the one you want(?).

I don't think so, not if he only got married the previous year :-)

[snip]
Searching for a Thomas born in England gives to many hits NEW YORK Results:
3762

Search for Breton gave 11 hits, only 1 female born in England

No help there then

This is the only Baranoff in New york in 1900.
Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year
BARANOFF MICHAEL 36 M W RUSS NY NEW YORK MANHATTAN BORO 1900

Don't know him but he's a similar age.

A search for Constantin only found 153 results. Most are males many born
in Europe, none born in England on the 1900.

Do you have any ages? Any suspected county?

Constantin appears to have been born about 1857 in Russia.

Many thanks for looking.


Mike in Ohio

Graeme Wall wrote:
Could someone do a look up for me in New Yoek in 1900.

I'm looking for a Thomas de Breton Godfrey and his wife Ruth Mary Ann (nee
Wall formerly Baranoff). Tney married in England in 1898 and are thought to
have gone to New York shortly after. Either or both of them may have been
bigamously married!

Also can anyone find a Constantin Baranoff, also in New York.

Many thanks



--
Graeme Wall

My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy>

CWatters

Re: 1900 Census look up.

Legg inn av CWatters » 22 des 2007 22:15:31

"Graeme Wall" <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:292440554f%Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk...
Could someone do a look up for me in New Yoek in 1900.

I'm looking for a Thomas de Breton Godfrey and his wife Ruth Mary Ann
(nee
Wall formerly Baranoff). Tney married in England in 1898 and are thought
to
have gone to New York shortly after. Either or both of them may have been
bigamously married!

Also can anyone find a Constantin Baranoff, also in New York.

Looks like married in NY..

IGI Individual RecordFamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
North America
Search Results | Download
Constantin V. Th. von Baranoff Pedigree
Male Family
Event(s):
Birth: Balgi, , Estonia, Ussr
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: John von Baranoff Family
Mother: Eveline Marg. Maranuskill
Marriages:
Spouse: Katie Nietert Family
Marriage: 30 NOV 1888 Manhattan, New York, New York
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source
records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M004997 Film


Sheet:

CWatters

Re: 1900 Census look up.

Legg inn av CWatters » 22 des 2007 22:29:25

"Graeme Wall" <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:292440554f%Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk...
Could someone do a look up for me in New Yoek in 1900.

I'm looking for a Thomas de Breton Godfrey and his wife Ruth Mary Ann
(nee
Wall formerly Baranoff).

Let me see if I follow this...

Here they are in 1881..

Household Record 1881 British Census
Search results | Download Previous Household Next Household
Household:
Name RelationMarital StatusGenderAgeBirthplaceOccupationDisability
William WALL Head M Male 59 London, Middlesex, England Retired Clerk
Maria WALL Wife M Female 50 London, Middlesex, England
Maria R. WALL Daur U Female 19 London, Middlesex, England Governess
Ruth M. WALL Daur U Female 18 London, Middlesex, England Governess
Elizabeth WALL Daur Female 14 London, Middlesex, England Scholar
Constantin BARANOFF Lodger U Male 24 Nat B Subject, Russia Generl
Clerk
Source Information:
Dwelling 109 Mansfield Rd
Census PlaceLondon, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341048
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0219 / 74
Page Number 62

Then Ruth Hall married Constantin BARANOFF in London...

Marriages Sep 1881 (>99%)
**BARANOFF Constantin Pancras 1b319
FLOWERS Julia Pancras 1b319
Raison William Pancras 1b319
**WALL Ruth Mary A Pancras 1b319

Then she married Thomas De Breton Godfrey

Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)

Buck Walter John T B.Stortford 3a947
Godfrey Thomas De Breton B. Stortford 3a947
Thickings Amy B Stortford 3a947
Wall Ruth Mary A B. Stortford 3a947

Are you sure that's the same Ruth?

CWatters

Re: 1900 Census look up.

Legg inn av CWatters » 22 des 2007 23:01:41

"CWatters" <colin.watters@turnersoak.plus.com> wrote in message
news:13mr0dhfrjc1o9e@corp.supernews.com...
Then Ruth Hall married Constantin BARANOFF in London...

Marriages Sep 1881 (>99%)
**BARANOFF Constantin Pancras 1b319
FLOWERS Julia Pancras 1b319
Raison William Pancras 1b319
**WALL Ruth Mary A Pancras 1b319

and they had a son so it looks like a possible shotgun wedding.

Births Jun 1882 (>99%)
Baranoff Constantin William Pancras 1b165

before Constantin runs off and gets married again in NY in 1888 and Ruth
marries in Bishops Stortford in 1889?

Ok so far I think..

Now Ancestry has him (?) going to California..

Constantin Baranoff
California Passenger and Crew Lists, 1893-1957
Immigration & Emigration
Port of Arrival: San Francisco, California

and

U.S. Public Records Index
Directories & Member Lists
Name: Constantin Baranoff
Residence: city, Sacramento, California

Graeme Wall

Re: 1900 Census look up.

Legg inn av Graeme Wall » 23 des 2007 09:52:49

In message <13mqvjf21ub7e9b@corp.supernews.com>
"CWatters" <colin.watters@turnersoak.plus.com> wrote:

"Graeme Wall" <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:292440554f%Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk...
Could someone do a look up for me in New Yoek in 1900.

I'm looking for a Thomas de Breton Godfrey and his wife Ruth Mary Ann
(nee Wall formerly Baranoff). Tney married in England in 1898 and are
thought to have gone to New York shortly after. Either or both of them
may have been bigamously married!

Also can anyone find a Constantin Baranoff, also in New York.

Looks like married in NY..

IGI Individual RecordFamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
North America Search Results | Download Constantin V. Th. von Baranoff
Pedigree
Male Family Event(s): Birth: Balgi, , Estonia, Ussr Christening: Death:
Burial: Parents:
Father: John von Baranoff Family
Mother: Eveline Marg. Maranuskill
Marriages:
Spouse: Katie Nietert Family
Marriage: 30 NOV 1888 Manhattan, New York, New York
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source
records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M004997 Film


If that's my bloke he's gained a 'von'. That wouldn't surprise me.

Would Estonia be listed as Russia in British Censuses? In the 1881 his
birthplace is listed as Russia.

Thanks Colin

--
Graeme Wall

My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy>

Graeme Wall

Re: 1900 Census look up.

Legg inn av Graeme Wall » 23 des 2007 10:01:05

In message <13mr0dhfrjc1o9e@corp.supernews.com>
"CWatters" <colin.watters@turnersoak.plus.com> wrote:

"Graeme Wall" <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:292440554f%Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk...
Could someone do a look up for me in New Yoek in 1900.

I'm looking for a Thomas de Breton Godfrey and his wife Ruth Mary Ann
(nee
Wall formerly Baranoff).

Let me see if I follow this...

Here they are in 1881..

Household Record 1881 British Census
Search results | Download Previous Household Next Household
Household:
Name RelationMarital StatusGenderAgeBirthplaceOccupationDisability
William WALL Head M Male 59 London, Middlesex, England Retired Clerk
Maria WALL Wife M Female 50 London, Middlesex, England
Maria R. WALL Daur U Female 19 London, Middlesex, England Governess
Ruth M. WALL Daur U Female 18 London, Middlesex, England Governess
Elizabeth WALL Daur Female 14 London, Middlesex, England Scholar
Constantin BARANOFF Lodger U Male 24 Nat B Subject, Russia Generl
Clerk
Source Information:
Dwelling 109 Mansfield Rd
Census PlaceLondon, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341048
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0219 / 74
Page Number 62

That's the family, marrying the lodger seems to have been a habit, Maria Ruth
married the lodger 10 years later. Their father was a lodger when he married
his landlady, a wealthy widow!

Then Ruth Hall married Constantin BARANOFF in London...

Marriages Sep 1881 (>99%)
**BARANOFF Constantin Pancras 1b319
FLOWERS Julia Pancras 1b319
Raison William Pancras 1b319
**WALL Ruth Mary A Pancras 1b319

That's them

Then she married Thomas De Breton Godfrey

Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)

Buck Walter John T B.Stortford 3a947
Godfrey Thomas De Breton B. Stortford 3a947
Thickings Amy B Stortford 3a947
Wall Ruth Mary A B. Stortford 3a947

Are you sure that's the same Ruth?


Yes for two reasons, first Ruth Mary Ann Wall appears to be a unique name,
she's named after her paternal grandmother, Ruth Mary Ann Whitethorne.

Secondly I've just been contacted by someone who is tracing the de Breton
Godfrey connection. There's a family story of Thomas blowing his inheritance
(an Irish estate) on fast living, abandoning his wife and two children, and
running off to New York with a Ruth Baranoff.

--
Graeme Wall

My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy>

Graeme Wall

Re: 1900 Census look up.

Legg inn av Graeme Wall » 23 des 2007 10:05:48

In message <13mr2a19ubdpda4@corp.supernews.com>
"CWatters" <colin.watters@turnersoak.plus.com> wrote:

"CWatters" <colin.watters@turnersoak.plus.com> wrote in message
news:13mr0dhfrjc1o9e@corp.supernews.com...
Then Ruth Hall married Constantin BARANOFF in London...

Marriages Sep 1881 (>99%)
**BARANOFF Constantin Pancras 1b319
FLOWERS Julia Pancras 1b319
Raison William Pancras 1b319
**WALL Ruth Mary A Pancras 1b319

and they had a son so it looks like a possible shotgun wedding.

That's my suspicion :-)

Births Jun 1882 (>99%)
Baranoff Constantin William Pancras 1b165

before Constantin runs off and gets married again in NY in 1888 and Ruth
marries in Bishops Stortford in 1889?

Ok so far I think..

I'm with you up to there. As I said the son appears to be with his widowed
grandmother in 1901, enumerated as William Wall.

Now Ancestry has him (?) going to California..

Constantin Baranoff
California Passenger and Crew Lists, 1893-1957
Immigration & Emigration
Port of Arrival: San Francisco, California

and

U.S. Public Records Index
Directories & Member Lists
Name: Constantin Baranoff
Residence: city, Sacramento, California


Very interesting, I note he's lost the 'von'.

Many thanks for that.

--
Graeme Wall

My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy>

Graeme Wall

Re: 1900 Census look up.

Legg inn av Graeme Wall » 23 des 2007 16:58:11

In message <13msmioqgib5q2f@corp.supernews.com>
"CWatters" <colin.watters@turnersoak.plus.com> wrote:

"Graeme Wall" <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8689f554f%Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk...


Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)

Buck Walter John T B.Stortford 3a947
Godfrey Thomas De Breton B. Stortford 3a947
Thickings Amy B Stortford 3a947
Wall Ruth Mary A B. Stortford 3a947

Are you sure that's the same Ruth?


Yes for two reasons, first Ruth Mary Ann Wall appears to be a unique name,
she's named after her paternal grandmother, Ruth Mary Ann Whitethorne.

Secondly I've just been contacted by someone who is tracing the de Breton
Godfrey connection. There's a family story of Thomas blowing his
inheritance (an Irish estate) on fast living, abandoning his wife and two
children, and running off to New York with a Ruth Baranoff.


Should get the cert to check fathers name.



Hopefully some time in the new year.

--
Graeme Wall

My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy>

clifto

Re: 1900 Census look up.

Legg inn av clifto » 23 des 2007 18:56:22

Graeme Wall wrote:
Would Estonia be listed as Russia in British Censuses? In the 1881 his
birthplace is listed as Russia.

I don't trust census-listed birthplaces. I have at least two relatives who
were born in a different place in every different census they're in. I also
have lots whose parents switch birthplaces from census to census.

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Graeme Wall

Re: 1900 Census look up.

Legg inn av Graeme Wall » 23 des 2007 20:11:17

In message <73k245-6dv.ln1@remote.clifto.com>
clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:

Graeme Wall wrote:
Would Estonia be listed as Russia in British Censuses? In the 1881 his
birthplace is listed as Russia.

I don't trust census-listed birthplaces. I have at least two relatives who
were born in a different place in every different census they're in.

Me too, and what a hassle that was sorting it out! Just wondered whether it
was normal to refer to the Baltic states as Russia then.

--
Graeme Wall

My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy>

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