Definition "interment"
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Definition "interment"
What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person died
in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not listed.
Peter
in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not listed.
Peter
Re: Definition "interment"
Unsprung wrote:
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Anne Chambers,
South Australia
anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com
What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person died
in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not listed.
Peter
'Place of interment' means the place where the burial took place.
--
Anne Chambers,
South Australia
anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com
Re: Definition "interment"
Place of internment is the same as place of burial
"Unsprung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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"Unsprung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person
died in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not listed.
Peter
Re: Definition "interment"
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:42:49 -0500, Unsprung wrote:
Well the the obvious answer is to look it up in a dictionary (that's a
book)or use Google or even Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burial
I am interested that a place of interment should be shown on a Death
Certificate. The Death Certificate is surely issued prior to this event.
The place of interment may not even be decided when the Death Certificate
is issued. Is this common in the USA? I have never heard of this before.
--
Terry
What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person died
in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not listed.
Peter
Well the the obvious answer is to look it up in a dictionary (that's a
book)or use Google or even Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burial
I am interested that a place of interment should be shown on a Death
Certificate. The Death Certificate is surely issued prior to this event.
The place of interment may not even be decided when the Death Certificate
is issued. Is this common in the USA? I have never heard of this before.
--
Terry
Re: Definition "interment"
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:43:01 -0500, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
internment is an entirely different thing and has nothing to do with
burial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
--
Terry
Place of internment is the same as place of burial
"Unsprung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person
died in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not listed.
Peter
internment is an entirely different thing and has nothing to do with
burial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
--
Terry
Re: Definition "interment"
"Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Oops, had an unnecessary "n" in there. Interment = burial.
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:43:01 -0500, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
Place of internment is the same as place of burial
"Unsprung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person
died in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not
listed.
Peter
internment is an entirely different thing and has nothing to do with
burial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
Oops, had an unnecessary "n" in there. Interment = burial.
Re: Definition "interment"
"Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the death
and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time, the
family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be
intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc
before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in 2005,
all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out the
death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state for
whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month.
news:[email protected]...
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:42:49 -0500, Unsprung wrote:
What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person
died
in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not listed.
Peter
Well the the obvious answer is to look it up in a dictionary (that's a
book)or use Google or even Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burial
I am interested that a place of interment should be shown on a Death
Certificate. The Death Certificate is surely issued prior to this event.
The place of interment may not even be decided when the Death Certificate
is issued. Is this common in the USA? I have never heard of this before.
The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the death
and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time, the
family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be
intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc
before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in 2005,
all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out the
death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state for
whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month.
Re: Definition "interment"
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:23:26 GMT, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
Much the same in UK - however did the certified copy show the place of
interment? - this is what I found interesting in the original post.
In UK, although of course folks do make prior arrangements, you don't know
from the death certificate whether the deceased was buried or cremated and
certainly not where.
Didn't mean to be picky on the interment vs. internment but didn't want to
confuse the OP!
--
Terry
The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the death
and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time, the
family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be
intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc
before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in 2005,
all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out the
death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state for
whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month.
Much the same in UK - however did the certified copy show the place of
interment? - this is what I found interesting in the original post.
In UK, although of course folks do make prior arrangements, you don't know
from the death certificate whether the deceased was buried or cremated and
certainly not where.
Didn't mean to be picky on the interment vs. internment but didn't want to
confuse the OP!
--
Terry
Re: Definition "interment"
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:34:35 -0800 (PST), Sir Creep wrote:
I don't think I vouched for the accuracy of Wikipedia although there have
been some other threads on that subject lately. However it does know the
difference between interment and internment. Perhaps you don't, perhaps
you do. I don't really care.
--
Terry
Well hell, if it's on WIKIPEDIA, it MUST be accurate!
I don't think I vouched for the accuracy of Wikipedia although there have
been some other threads on that subject lately. However it does know the
difference between interment and internment. Perhaps you don't, perhaps
you do. I don't really care.
--
Terry
Re: Definition "interment"
On Dec 17, 10:12 am, Terry <[email protected]> wrote:
Well hell, if it's on WIKIPEDIA, it MUST be accurate!
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:43:01 -0500, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
Place of internment is the same as place of burial
"Unsprung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person
died in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not listed.
Peter
internment is an entirely different thing and has nothing to do with
burial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
--
Terry
Well hell, if it's on WIKIPEDIA, it MUST be accurate!
Re: Definition "interment"
"Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Yes. Graveyard only though, not the specific lot and grave.
Most death certificates I have seen involving copies for the German side of
my family going back to 1852 have shown at least the graveyard. The only
one that didn't was poor Sarah. She did as a patient in Eloise in Nankin
Township, Southwest of Detroit. Eloise was a large hospital that housed,
among others, mental patients. Since none of them have been cremated, I
don't know if they would show that or not, I suspect that they would though.
No problem.
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:23:26 GMT, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the
death
and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time,
the
family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be
intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc
before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in
2005,
all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out
the
death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state
for
whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month.
Much the same in UK - however did the certified copy show the place of
interment? - this is what I found interesting in the original post.
Yes. Graveyard only though, not the specific lot and grave.
In UK, although of course folks do make prior arrangements, you don't know
from the death certificate whether the deceased was buried or cremated and
certainly not where.
Most death certificates I have seen involving copies for the German side of
my family going back to 1852 have shown at least the graveyard. The only
one that didn't was poor Sarah. She did as a patient in Eloise in Nankin
Township, Southwest of Detroit. Eloise was a large hospital that housed,
among others, mental patients. Since none of them have been cremated, I
don't know if they would show that or not, I suspect that they would though.
Didn't mean to be picky on the interment vs. internment but didn't want to
confuse the OP!
No problem.
Re: Definition "interment"
"Sir Creep" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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No, he's right. Interment and Internment have different definitions.
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On Dec 17, 10:12 am, Terry <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:43:01 -0500, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
Place of internment is the same as place of burial
"Unsprung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This
person
died in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not
listed.
Peter
internment is an entirely different thing and has nothing to do with
burial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
--
Terry
Well hell, if it's on WIKIPEDIA, it MUST be accurate!
No, he's right. Interment and Internment have different definitions.
Re: Definition "interment"
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:40:32 +0000, Terry <[email protected]>
wrote:
modern method of disposing of a body was not established until 1885 in
the UK with a build-up in numbers as the 20th century progressed.
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:23:26 GMT, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the death
and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time, the
family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be
intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc
before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in 2005,
all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out the
death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state for
whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month.
Much the same in UK - however did the certified copy show the place of
interment? - this is what I found interesting in the original post.
In UK, although of course folks do make prior arrangements, you don't know
from the death certificate whether the deceased was buried or cremated and
certainly not where.
You do if it is a Scottish registration before 1861. Cremation as a
modern method of disposing of a body was not established until 1885 in
the UK with a build-up in numbers as the 20th century progressed.
Didn't mean to be picky on the interment vs. internment but didn't want to
confuse the OP!
Re: Definition "interment"
"Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:23:26 GMT, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
|
| > The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the
death
| > and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time,
the
| > family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be
| > intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc
| > before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in
2005,
| > all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out
the
| > death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state
for
| > whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month.
|
| Much the same in UK - however did the certified copy show the place of
| interment? - this is what I found interesting in the original post.
|
| In UK, although of course folks do make prior arrangements, you don't know
| from the death certificate whether the deceased was buried or cremated and
| certainly not where.
|
| Didn't mean to be picky on the interment vs. internment but didn't want to
| confuse the OP!
| --
| Terry
The OP had "Interment" in the subject line and a typo "intenment" in the
body of the message. Internment was not mentioned until McScuff made
a typo on interment in his reply. But everybody is correct (sans typos) -
interment is burial and internment is confinement.
I can't speak for other parts of the U.S., but it is not unusual in our area
for a death certificate to be issued days or even weeks after the State is
notified of the person's death (and place of interment in most cases.)
Funeral parlors usually handle that chore these days, but in days of yore,
usually a relative or physican (or both) filled out the necessary forms. So
the place of interment (actually called burial on our form) is usually shown
on the certificate - it is likely only the name of the community, but
sometimes the name of the graveyard is given.
Birth records are similar - certificates issued several days, even weeks,
after the date of birth. These days the hospitals do the paperwork. In the
past, some births never got reported to the Vital Statistics people - the
midwife or the family may not have been literate. I have a brother-in-law
born in 1920 who did not have his birth registered. He had to jump through
hoops to obtain a birth certificate before joining the U. S. Army during
WWII. Affidavits from parents, witnesses, that sort of thing. But he finally
got the BC.
--
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana
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| On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:23:26 GMT, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
|
| > The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the
death
| > and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time,
the
| > family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be
| > intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc
| > before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in
2005,
| > all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out
the
| > death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state
for
| > whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month.
|
| Much the same in UK - however did the certified copy show the place of
| interment? - this is what I found interesting in the original post.
|
| In UK, although of course folks do make prior arrangements, you don't know
| from the death certificate whether the deceased was buried or cremated and
| certainly not where.
|
| Didn't mean to be picky on the interment vs. internment but didn't want to
| confuse the OP!
| --
| Terry
The OP had "Interment" in the subject line and a typo "intenment" in the
body of the message. Internment was not mentioned until McScuff made
a typo on interment in his reply. But everybody is correct (sans typos) -
interment is burial and internment is confinement.
I can't speak for other parts of the U.S., but it is not unusual in our area
for a death certificate to be issued days or even weeks after the State is
notified of the person's death (and place of interment in most cases.)
Funeral parlors usually handle that chore these days, but in days of yore,
usually a relative or physican (or both) filled out the necessary forms. So
the place of interment (actually called burial on our form) is usually shown
on the certificate - it is likely only the name of the community, but
sometimes the name of the graveyard is given.
Birth records are similar - certificates issued several days, even weeks,
after the date of birth. These days the hospitals do the paperwork. In the
past, some births never got reported to the Vital Statistics people - the
midwife or the family may not have been literate. I have a brother-in-law
born in 1920 who did not have his birth registered. He had to jump through
hoops to obtain a birth certificate before joining the U. S. Army during
WWII. Affidavits from parents, witnesses, that sort of thing. But he finally
got the BC.
--
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana
Re: Definition "interment"
Terry <[email protected]> wrote in
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It's not uncommon; especially if the body is being retrieved from
a morgue or mortuary. They have to process the paperwork showing
that the body is being released to the family, and that
arrangements have been made. It's not necessarily filled in by a
doctor at the time of death, although that's also possible.
Call it 50/50.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://manormaniac.blogspot.com/
Life is like pudding; soft and squishy...
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:42:49 -0500, Unsprung wrote:
What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate.
This person died in NH but the place of interment was VT. The
cemetery is not listed.
Peter
Well the the obvious answer is to look it up in a dictionary
(that's a book)or use Google or even Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burial
I am interested that a place of interment should be shown on a
Death Certificate. The Death Certificate is surely issued
prior to this event. The place of interment may not even be
decided when the Death Certificate is issued. Is this common
in the USA? I have never heard of this before.
It's not uncommon; especially if the body is being retrieved from
a morgue or mortuary. They have to process the paperwork showing
that the body is being released to the family, and that
arrangements have been made. It's not necessarily filled in by a
doctor at the time of death, although that's also possible.
Call it 50/50.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://manormaniac.blogspot.com/
Life is like pudding; soft and squishy...
Re: Definition "interment"
"Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Actually, in some places, they literally are the same thing - e.g. "above
ground burials" near New Orleans, LA (USA) - or any other place where a
Masoleum is used as the final resting place on a regular basis. Those
instances are both "burial" and confinement!
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:43:01 -0500, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
Place of internment is the same as place of burial
"Unsprung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person
died in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not
listed.
Peter
internment is an entirely different thing and has nothing to do with
burial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
Actually, in some places, they literally are the same thing - e.g. "above
ground burials" near New Orleans, LA (USA) - or any other place where a
Masoleum is used as the final resting place on a regular basis. Those
instances are both "burial" and confinement!
Re: Definition "interment"
The DC was not "certified" per se but was copy of the the original record.
It included a number of blanks to fill in including:
Date of death
Place of death
Date of interment
Place of interment
Name of cemetery
For the DC in question, all of the above was filled out except name of
cemetery.
Peter
"Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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It included a number of blanks to fill in including:
Date of death
Place of death
Date of interment
Place of interment
Name of cemetery
For the DC in question, all of the above was filled out except name of
cemetery.
Peter
"Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:23:26 GMT, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the
death
and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time,
the
family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be
intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc
before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in
2005,
all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out
the
death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state
for
whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month.
Much the same in UK - however did the certified copy show the place of
interment? - this is what I found interesting in the original post.
In UK, although of course folks do make prior arrangements, you don't know
from the death certificate whether the deceased was buried or cremated and
certainly not where.
Didn't mean to be picky on the interment vs. internment but didn't want to
confuse the OP!
--
Terry
Re: Definition "interment"
Henry Brownlee wrote:
In UK burial is not permitted until a certificate is issued
with the consent of the coroner if for example a hospital death
Hugh W
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"Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:23:26 GMT, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
|
| > The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the
death
| > and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time,
the
| > family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be
| > intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc
| > before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in
2005,
| > all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out
the
| > death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state
for
| > whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month.
|
| Much the same in UK - however did the certified copy show the place of
| interment? - this is what I found interesting in the original post.
|
| In UK, although of course folks do make prior arrangements, you don't know
| from the death certificate whether the deceased was buried or cremated and
| certainly not where.
|
| Didn't mean to be picky on the interment vs. internment but didn't want to
| confuse the OP!
| --
| Terry
The OP had "Interment" in the subject line and a typo "intenment" in the
body of the message. Internment was not mentioned until McScuff made
a typo on interment in his reply. But everybody is correct (sans typos) -
interment is burial and internment is confinement.
I can't speak for other parts of the U.S., but it is not unusual in our area
for a death certificate to be issued days or even weeks after the State is
notified of the person's death (and place of interment in most cases.)
Funeral parlors usually handle that chore these days, but in days of yore,
usually a relative or physican (or both) filled out the necessary forms. So
the place of interment (actually called burial on our form) is usually shown
on the certificate - it is likely only the name of the community, but
sometimes the name of the graveyard is given.
Birth records are similar - certificates issued several days, even weeks,
after the date of birth. These days the hospitals do the paperwork. In the
past, some births never got reported to the Vital Statistics people - the
midwife or the family may not have been literate. I have a brother-in-law
born in 1920 who did not have his birth registered. He had to jump through
hoops to obtain a birth certificate before joining the U. S. Army during
WWII. Affidavits from parents, witnesses, that sort of thing. But he finally
got the BC.
In UK burial is not permitted until a certificate is issued
with the consent of the coroner if for example a hospital death
Hugh W
--
For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and
district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks
GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG
Re: Definition "interment"
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:30:38 +0100, Hugh Watkins
<[email protected]> wrote:
there is no direct equivalent to the Coroner system in Scotland. The
general conditions under which a Coroner becomes involved are where
the death is connected with :-
- an accident or injury
- an industrial disease
- during a surgical operation
- before recovery from an anaesthetic
- if the cause of death is unknown
- the death was sudden and unexplained, for instance, a
sudden infant death (cot death).
A Coroner is responsible for investigating a death in the following
circumstances :-
- the deceased was not attended by a doctor during the last
illness or the doctor treating the deceased had not seen him or
her either after death or within the 14 days before death
- the death was violent or unnatural or occurred under
suspicious circumstances
- the cause of death is not known or is uncertain
- the death occurred while the patient was undergoing an
operation or did not recover from the anaesthetic
- the death was caused by an industrial disease
- the death occurred in prison or in police custody.
[Department for Work and Pensions - "What to do after a death
in England and Wales"]
Otherwise, where a burial or cremation is to take place in England and
Wales the certificate necessary for disposal is issued by the
Registrar when the death is registered, the Coroner then only being
involved if the body is to be removed from England and Wales when an
ONS Form 104 (http://www.lbwf.gov.uk/removal-notice-form104rev.pdf) is
issued once the Coroner has received 4 days notice and given
permission for the removal.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Henry Brownlee wrote:
"Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:23:26 GMT, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
|
| > The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the
death
| > and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time,
the
| > family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be
| > intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc
| > before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in
2005,
| > all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out
the
| > death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state
for
| > whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month.
|
| Much the same in UK - however did the certified copy show the place of
| interment? - this is what I found interesting in the original post.
|
| In UK, although of course folks do make prior arrangements, you don't know
| from the death certificate whether the deceased was buried or cremated and
| certainly not where.
|
| Didn't mean to be picky on the interment vs. internment but didn't want to
| confuse the OP!
| --
| Terry
The OP had "Interment" in the subject line and a typo "intenment" in the
body of the message. Internment was not mentioned until McScuff made
a typo on interment in his reply. But everybody is correct (sans typos) -
interment is burial and internment is confinement.
I can't speak for other parts of the U.S., but it is not unusual in our area
for a death certificate to be issued days or even weeks after the State is
notified of the person's death (and place of interment in most cases.)
Funeral parlors usually handle that chore these days, but in days of yore,
usually a relative or physican (or both) filled out the necessary forms. So
the place of interment (actually called burial on our form) is usually shown
on the certificate - it is likely only the name of the community, but
sometimes the name of the graveyard is given.
Birth records are similar - certificates issued several days, even weeks,
after the date of birth. These days the hospitals do the paperwork. In the
past, some births never got reported to the Vital Statistics people - the
midwife or the family may not have been literate. I have a brother-in-law
born in 1920 who did not have his birth registered. He had to jump through
hoops to obtain a birth certificate before joining the U. S. Army during
WWII. Affidavits from parents, witnesses, that sort of thing. But he finally
got the BC.
In UK burial is not permitted until a certificate is issued
with the consent of the coroner if for example a hospital death
That is for England and Wales (and only in prescribed circumstances),
there is no direct equivalent to the Coroner system in Scotland. The
general conditions under which a Coroner becomes involved are where
the death is connected with :-
- an accident or injury
- an industrial disease
- during a surgical operation
- before recovery from an anaesthetic
- if the cause of death is unknown
- the death was sudden and unexplained, for instance, a
sudden infant death (cot death).
A Coroner is responsible for investigating a death in the following
circumstances :-
- the deceased was not attended by a doctor during the last
illness or the doctor treating the deceased had not seen him or
her either after death or within the 14 days before death
- the death was violent or unnatural or occurred under
suspicious circumstances
- the cause of death is not known or is uncertain
- the death occurred while the patient was undergoing an
operation or did not recover from the anaesthetic
- the death was caused by an industrial disease
- the death occurred in prison or in police custody.
[Department for Work and Pensions - "What to do after a death
in England and Wales"]
Otherwise, where a burial or cremation is to take place in England and
Wales the certificate necessary for disposal is issued by the
Registrar when the death is registered, the Coroner then only being
involved if the body is to be removed from England and Wales when an
ONS Form 104 (http://www.lbwf.gov.uk/removal-notice-form104rev.pdf) is
issued once the Coroner has received 4 days notice and given
permission for the removal.
Re: Definition "interment"
D. Stussy wrote:
_Strictly_ for the record: New Orleans isn't the only place
the above ground burials happen; it's quite common all over
South Louisiana, because the water-table is less than 6-ft
underground. (g) New Orelans cemeteries are the best-known
of the places because New Orleans is better known than
Houma, say.
Cheryl
"Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:43:01 -0500, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
Place of internment is the same as place of burial
"Unsprung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person
died in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not
listed.
Peter
internment is an entirely different thing and has nothing to do with
burial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
Actually, in some places, they literally are the same thing - e.g. "above
ground burials" near New Orleans, LA (USA) - or any other place where a
Masoleum is used as the final resting place on a regular basis. Those
instances are both "burial" and confinement!
_Strictly_ for the record: New Orleans isn't the only place
the above ground burials happen; it's quite common all over
South Louisiana, because the water-table is less than 6-ft
underground. (g) New Orelans cemeteries are the best-known
of the places because New Orleans is better known than
Houma, say.
Cheryl
Re: Definition "interment"
Terry wrote:
Yes, it's very common to have the place as well as the date
on post-1920 death certificates. B'lieve the hospital
issues the certificate to the funeral home who fills in the
rest of it and files it with the state.
Cheryl
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:42:49 -0500, Unsprung wrote:
What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person died
in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not listed.
Peter
Well the the obvious answer is to look it up in a dictionary (that's a
book)or use Google or even Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burial
I am interested that a place of interment should be shown on a Death
Certificate. The Death Certificate is surely issued prior to this event.
The place of interment may not even be decided when the Death Certificate
is issued. Is this common in the USA? I have never heard of this before.
Yes, it's very common to have the place as well as the date
on post-1920 death certificates. B'lieve the hospital
issues the certificate to the funeral home who fills in the
rest of it and files it with the state.
Cheryl
Re: Definition "interment"
In my experience (much of it in the state you're apparently
talking about), when the place is named but not the name of
the cemetery, there's only one cemetery in that place. For
instance, if Dry Prong has one cemetery, there's little
point to filling in Dry Prong Cemetery, Dry Prong, Mumble
Count ST...certainly few people I know in the place I think
you mean would bother doing that! (g)
Cheryl
Unsprung wrote:
talking about), when the place is named but not the name of
the cemetery, there's only one cemetery in that place. For
instance, if Dry Prong has one cemetery, there's little
point to filling in Dry Prong Cemetery, Dry Prong, Mumble
Count ST...certainly few people I know in the place I think
you mean would bother doing that! (g)
Cheryl
Unsprung wrote:
The DC was not "certified" per se but was copy of the the original record.
It included a number of blanks to fill in including:
Date of death
Place of death
Date of interment
Place of interment
Name of cemetery
For the DC in question, all of the above was filled out except name of
cemetery.
Peter
"Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:23:26 GMT, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the
death
and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time,
the
family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be
intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc
before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in
2005,
all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out
the
death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state
for
whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month.
Much the same in UK - however did the certified copy show the place of
interment? - this is what I found interesting in the original post.
In UK, although of course folks do make prior arrangements, you don't know
from the death certificate whether the deceased was buried or cremated and
certainly not where.
Didn't mean to be picky on the interment vs. internment but didn't want to
confuse the OP!
--
Terry
Re: Definition "interment"
"singhals" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
SNIP
| _Strictly_ for the record: New Orleans isn't the only place
| the above ground burials happen; it's quite common all over
| South Louisiana, because the water-table is less than 6-ft
| underground. (g) New Orelans cemeteries are the best-known
| of the places because New Orleans is better known than
| Houma, say.
|
| Cheryl
Hah! But Houma is better known than, say, Dry Prong, Cher!
BTW, I had a friend in the Army from Dry Prong: Jerry Safarik. Big fella of
Czech descent.
--
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana
news:[email protected]...
SNIP
| _Strictly_ for the record: New Orleans isn't the only place
| the above ground burials happen; it's quite common all over
| South Louisiana, because the water-table is less than 6-ft
| underground. (g) New Orelans cemeteries are the best-known
| of the places because New Orleans is better known than
| Houma, say.
|
| Cheryl
Hah! But Houma is better known than, say, Dry Prong, Cher!
BTW, I had a friend in the Army from Dry Prong: Jerry Safarik. Big fella of
Czech descent.
--
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana
Re: Definition "interment"
Henry Brownlee wrote:
Sure, everyone knows that song about land of the free, Houma the brave.
--
I couldn't help myself. I just couldn't help myself. I had to do it.
"singhals" <[email protected]> wrote...
| New Orleans is better known than
| Houma, say.
Hah! But Houma is better known than, say, Dry Prong, Cher!
BTW, I had a friend in the Army from Dry Prong: Jerry Safarik. Big fella of
Czech descent.
Sure, everyone knows that song about land of the free, Houma the brave.
--
I couldn't help myself. I just couldn't help myself. I had to do it.
Re: Definition "interment"
clifto wrote:
GOOD 'un! Give l'homme un Jax, y'hear, Henri? (G)
Cheryl
Henry Brownlee wrote:
"singhals" <[email protected]> wrote...
| New Orleans is better known than
| Houma, say.
Hah! But Houma is better known than, say, Dry Prong, Cher!
BTW, I had a friend in the Army from Dry Prong: Jerry Safarik. Big fella of
Czech descent.
Sure, everyone knows that song about land of the free, Houma the brave.
GOOD 'un! Give l'homme un Jax, y'hear, Henri? (G)
Cheryl
Re: Definition "interment"
"singhals" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
What part of "e.g." didn't you understand? Nowhere did I say that it was
limited to New Orleans.
news:[email protected]...
D. Stussy wrote:
"Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:43:01 -0500, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
Place of internment is the same as place of burial
"Unsprung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This
person
died in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not
listed.
Peter
internment is an entirely different thing and has nothing to do with
burial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
Actually, in some places, they literally are the same thing - e.g.
"above
ground burials" near New Orleans, LA (USA) - or any other place where a
Masoleum is used as the final resting place on a regular basis. Those
instances are both "burial" and confinement!
_Strictly_ for the record: New Orleans isn't the only place
the above ground burials happen; it's quite common all over
South Louisiana, because the water-table is less than 6-ft
underground. (g) New Orelans cemeteries are the best-known
of the places because New Orleans is better known than
Houma, say.
What part of "e.g." didn't you understand? Nowhere did I say that it was
limited to New Orleans.
Re: Definition "interment"
In article <[email protected]>,
clifto <[email protected]> writes:
Smilin' Ol' Bob
--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable
reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford
clifto <[email protected]> writes:
Henry Brownlee wrote:
"singhals" <[email protected]> wrote...
| New Orleans is better known than
| Houma, say.
Hah! But Houma is better known than, say, Dry Prong, Cher!
BTW, I had a friend in the Army from Dry Prong: Jerry Safarik. Big fella of
Czech descent.
Sure, everyone knows that song about land of the free, Houma the brave.
Good one!
Smilin' Ol' Bob
--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable
reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford
Re: Definition "interment"
singhals wrote:
who said he was from Houma. I asked him how the oil business was going
(Houma being one of the centers for offshore drilling in that part of
the Gulf). He said "We don't have any oil around Houma". Questioning him
further, I found that he was from Homer, in the northern part of
Louisiana. (For the uninitiated, Houma is pronounced like Homer, but
with the R being sounded.)
Allen
D. Stussy wrote:
"Terry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:43:01 -0500, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote:
Place of internment is the same as place of burial
"Unsprung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This
person
died in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not
listed.
Peter
internment is an entirely different thing and has nothing to do with
burial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
Actually, in some places, they literally are the same thing - e.g. "above
ground burials" near New Orleans, LA (USA) - or any other place where a
Masoleum is used as the final resting place on a regular basis. Those
instances are both "burial" and confinement!
_Strictly_ for the record: New Orleans isn't the only place the above
ground burials happen; it's quite common all over South Louisiana,
because the water-table is less than 6-ft underground. (g) New Orelans
cemeteries are the best-known of the places because New Orleans is
better known than Houma, say.
Cheryl
Back a little over 50 years ago I was in the army with a fellow-draftee
who said he was from Houma. I asked him how the oil business was going
(Houma being one of the centers for offshore drilling in that part of
the Gulf). He said "We don't have any oil around Houma". Questioning him
further, I found that he was from Homer, in the northern part of
Louisiana. (For the uninitiated, Houma is pronounced like Homer, but
with the R being sounded.)
Allen
Re: Definition "interment"
Allen wrote:
And many Louisianians pronounce Homer like Houma, but with the R not being
sounded.
--
Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.
Back a little over 50 years ago I was in the army with a fellow-draftee
who said he was from Houma. I asked him how the oil business was going
(Houma being one of the centers for offshore drilling in that part of
the Gulf). He said "We don't have any oil around Houma". Questioning him
further, I found that he was from Homer, in the northern part of
Louisiana. (For the uninitiated, Houma is pronounced like Homer, but
with the R being sounded.)
And many Louisianians pronounce Homer like Houma, but with the R not being
sounded.
--
Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.
Re: Definition "interment"
"clifto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| Henry Brownlee wrote:
| > "singhals" <[email protected]> wrote...
| > | New Orleans is better known than
| > | Houma, say.
| >
| > Hah! But Houma is better known than, say, Dry Prong, Cher!
| > BTW, I had a friend in the Army from Dry Prong: Jerry Safarik. Big fella
of
| > Czech descent.
|
| Sure, everyone knows that song about land of the free, Houma the brave.
|
| --
| I couldn't help myself. I just couldn't help myself. I had to do it.
Chalk one up to da Clifto!! Very punny!
Henri
news:[email protected]...
| Henry Brownlee wrote:
| > "singhals" <[email protected]> wrote...
| > | New Orleans is better known than
| > | Houma, say.
| >
| > Hah! But Houma is better known than, say, Dry Prong, Cher!
| > BTW, I had a friend in the Army from Dry Prong: Jerry Safarik. Big fella
of
| > Czech descent.
|
| Sure, everyone knows that song about land of the free, Houma the brave.
|
| --
| I couldn't help myself. I just couldn't help myself. I had to do it.
Chalk one up to da Clifto!! Very punny!
Henri
Re: Definition "interment"
"clifto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| Allen wrote:
| > Back a little over 50 years ago I was in the army with a fellow-draftee
| > who said he was from Houma. I asked him how the oil business was going
| > (Houma being one of the centers for offshore drilling in that part of
| > the Gulf). He said "We don't have any oil around Houma". Questioning him
| > further, I found that he was from Homer, in the northern part of
| > Louisiana. (For the uninitiated, Houma is pronounced like Homer, but
| > with the R being sounded.)
|
| And many Louisianians pronounce Homer like Houma, but with the R not being
| sounded.
|
I had a brother-in-law who pronounced it Hooma when talking to
out-of-staters, so they would not confuse it with Homer.
Henry Brownlee
Hooma, LA
news:[email protected]...
| Allen wrote:
| > Back a little over 50 years ago I was in the army with a fellow-draftee
| > who said he was from Houma. I asked him how the oil business was going
| > (Houma being one of the centers for offshore drilling in that part of
| > the Gulf). He said "We don't have any oil around Houma". Questioning him
| > further, I found that he was from Homer, in the northern part of
| > Louisiana. (For the uninitiated, Houma is pronounced like Homer, but
| > with the R being sounded.)
|
| And many Louisianians pronounce Homer like Houma, but with the R not being
| sounded.
|
I had a brother-in-law who pronounced it Hooma when talking to
out-of-staters, so they would not confuse it with Homer.
Henry Brownlee
Hooma, LA

Re: Definition "interment"
Henry Brownlee wrote:
That would only have confused me, but then I can just hear either of my
two NOLA uncles saying both words.
--
Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.
"clifto" <[email protected]> wrote...
| Allen wrote:
| > Back a little over 50 years ago I was in the army with a fellow-draftee
| > who said he was from Houma. I asked him how the oil business was going
| > (Houma being one of the centers for offshore drilling in that part of
| > the Gulf). He said "We don't have any oil around Houma". Questioning him
| > further, I found that he was from Homer, in the northern part of
| > Louisiana. (For the uninitiated, Houma is pronounced like Homer, but
| > with the R being sounded.)
|
| And many Louisianians pronounce Homer like Houma, but with the R not being
| sounded.
I had a brother-in-law who pronounced it Hooma when talking to
out-of-staters, so they would not confuse it with Homer.
That would only have confused me, but then I can just hear either of my
two NOLA uncles saying both words.
--
Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.
Re: Definition "interment"
In article <[email protected]>,
clifto <[email protected]> writes:
course, that Tarzana, California, a suburb of Los Angeles,
has many hundreds of miles of roadway, so many in fact that
their marker crews are kept busy year-round. You might
say Tarzana Stripes Forever.
Snickerin' Ol' Bob
--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable
reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford
clifto <[email protected]> writes:
Henry Brownlee wrote:
"singhals" <[email protected]> wrote...
| New Orleans is better known than
| Houma, say.
Hah! But Houma is better known than, say, Dry Prong, Cher!
BTW, I had a friend in the Army from Dry Prong: Jerry Safarik. Big fella of
Czech descent.
Sure, everyone knows that song about land of the free, Houma the brave.
I'm sorry, but one good pun deserves another. You know, of
course, that Tarzana, California, a suburb of Los Angeles,
has many hundreds of miles of roadway, so many in fact that
their marker crews are kept busy year-round. You might
say Tarzana Stripes Forever.
Snickerin' Ol' Bob
--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable
reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford
Re: Definition "interment"
clifto wrote:
meaningless to those who didn't know how to pronounce Houma. Must
proofread. Must proofread. Must proofread....
Allen
Allen wrote:
Back a little over 50 years ago I was in the army with a fellow-draftee
who said he was from Houma. I asked him how the oil business was going
(Houma being one of the centers for offshore drilling in that part of
the Gulf). He said "We don't have any oil around Houma". Questioning him
further, I found that he was from Homer, in the northern part of
Louisiana. (For the uninitiated, Houma is pronounced like Homer, but
with the R being sounded.)
And many Louisianians pronounce Homer like Houma, but with the R not being
sounded.
OOOOPS! I left the "out" off of "with". I'm afraid that rendered my post
meaningless to those who didn't know how to pronounce Houma. Must
proofread. Must proofread. Must proofread....
Allen
Re: Definition "interment"
Henry Brownlee wrote:
(G) and I knew a guy from (censored) who said it OOm Even
the Cajuns said he had an accent.
Cheryl
"clifto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| Allen wrote:
| > Back a little over 50 years ago I was in the army with a fellow-draftee
| > who said he was from Houma. I asked him how the oil business was going
| > (Houma being one of the centers for offshore drilling in that part of
| > the Gulf). He said "We don't have any oil around Houma". Questioning him
| > further, I found that he was from Homer, in the northern part of
| > Louisiana. (For the uninitiated, Houma is pronounced like Homer, but
| > with the R being sounded.)
|
| And many Louisianians pronounce Homer like Houma, but with the R not being
| sounded.
|
I had a brother-in-law who pronounced it Hooma when talking to
out-of-staters, so they would not confuse it with Homer.
Henry Brownlee
Hooma, LA
(G) and I knew a guy from (censored) who said it OOm Even
the Cajuns said he had an accent.

Cheryl
Re: Definition "interment"
OP wrote:
Everyone seems to have missed a typo (g); I kept waiting
for someone to mention it, but as of this date, we've got,
in order of appearance:
Interment
Intenment
internment & interrment
inurnment
So little time, so many ways to make a typo?
Cheryl
What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person died
in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not listed.
Everyone seems to have missed a typo (g); I kept waiting
for someone to mention it, but as of this date, we've got,
in order of appearance:
Interment
Intenment
internment & interrment
inurnment
So little time, so many ways to make a typo?
Cheryl
Re: Definition "interment"
singhals wrote:
Now, that's innurtainment.
--
Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.
OP wrote:
What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person died
in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not listed.
Everyone seems to have missed a typo (g); I kept waiting
for someone to mention it, but as of this date, we've got,
in order of appearance:
Interment
Intenment
internment & interrment
inurnment
So little time, so many ways to make a typo?
Now, that's innurtainment.
--
Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.
Re: Definition "interment"
"clifto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| singhals wrote:
| > OP wrote:
| >
| >> What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person
died
| >> in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not listed.
| >
| > Everyone seems to have missed a typo (g); I kept waiting
| > for someone to mention it, but as of this date, we've got,
| > in order of appearance:
| >
| > Interment
| > Intenment
| > internment & interrment
| > inurnment
| >
| > So little time, so many ways to make a typo?
|
| Now, that's innurtainment.
We're just going to have to tie Clifto's fingers together so he can't speak!
But maybe not - he's innurtaining us all.
Henry
news:[email protected]...
| singhals wrote:
| > OP wrote:
| >
| >> What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person
died
| >> in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not listed.
| >
| > Everyone seems to have missed a typo (g); I kept waiting
| > for someone to mention it, but as of this date, we've got,
| > in order of appearance:
| >
| > Interment
| > Intenment
| > internment & interrment
| > inurnment
| >
| > So little time, so many ways to make a typo?
|
| Now, that's innurtainment.
We're just going to have to tie Clifto's fingers together so he can't speak!
But maybe not - he's innurtaining us all.
Henry
Re: Definition "interment"
singhals wrote:
Actually Henry Brownlee mentioned it earlier in the thread.
On the 17th.
Jonathan
Everyone seems to have missed a typo (g);
Actually Henry Brownlee mentioned it earlier in the thread.
On the 17th.
Jonathan
Re: Definition "interment"
Del Stanley
"Henry Brownlee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
And the internet is being buried in cyberspace.
Del
"Henry Brownlee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
The OP had "Interment" in the subject line and a typo "intenment" in the
body of the message. Internment was not mentioned until McScuff made
a typo on interment in his reply. But everybody is correct (sans typos) -
interment is burial and internment is confinement.
And the internet is being buried in cyberspace.
Del