Origins of the Despensers: a Dutton relationship?

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John P. Ravilious

Origins of the Despensers: a Dutton relationship?

Legg inn av John P. Ravilious » 04 nov 2007 03:05:32

Saturday, 3 November, 2007



Hello All,

I recently noted the record of a grant (undated) which
refers to a relative of one Hugh le Despenser, the extract
of which states:

' Leic. A. 6519. Grant by Hugh le Despenser, to his
kinsman, Sir Alan de Elsefeld, for his life, of the manor
of Ernesby, with the cattle, &c. thereon.
Witnesses: - Sirs Robert le Waleys, William le Waleys,
John de Folevill, and John le Faucone, knights, and
others (named). Seal of arms.' [1]

The foregoing certainly provides no detail as to how Sir
Alan de Elsefeld was related to Hugh le Despenser. However,
despite the lack of a date, it does appear most likely that
either Hugh le Despenser, Earl of Winchester (exe. 1326) or
his son Hugh (exe. 1326) was the grantor in this deed.
There is a record in the Patent Rolls dated at York,
28 June 1323 of a commission of oyer and terminer on a
complaint against ' Alan de Ellesfeld and Richard his
brother ' [among others] concerning an alleged assault in
Aylesbury, co. Buckingham [2]. An 'Alayn de Ellesfeld' is
numbered by Moor among the 'Knights of Edward I', and may
well have been his father or an otherwise near relation
if not the same individual [3].

In addition to the statement in the above grant that
Sir Alan de Ellesfeld (or Elsefeld) was Hugh le Despenser's
kinsman, there is intriguing heraldic evidence that appears
to support this. The Despenser arms (undifferenced) are
known to have been 'Quarterly argent and gules, 2nd and 3rd
fretty or, over all a bend sable.' The arms given by Moor
for Alayn de Ellesfeld are virtually identical, the one
difference being a charge on the bend(let) sable:

' Quarterly arg. and gu. In 2nd and 3rd qrs a fret
or. Over all a bendlet sa. charged with 3 mullets
of 6 points or (Segar). ' [4]

Papworth gives these same arms for the family 'Elford',
which may well descend from the above Sir Alan de Ellesfeld
[5]. The similarity of the arms of Ellesfeld and Despenser
to those of Dutton of Dutton may be noted on the same page
in Papworth: the Dutton arms are the same, less the bend
sable. Joseph Foster may have made too close a connection,
or may have known some other detail which I have not seen,
as his description of the arms of Alan de Ellesfeld states,


' Ellesfeld, Alayn de - (E. I. Roll) bore,
DUTTON, over all on a bendlet sable three
mullets (6) of the third (or). (F.) Segar Roll.' [6]

There is a long-standing tradition that the Duttons
descended from a marriage of an ancestor to a Muriel
'Despencer', daughter of Thomas, for which I have seen no
support to date. There may in fact be some relationship
between the Despenser and Ellesfeld families to the Duttons
that would explain the foregoing evidence, but whether from
a Dutton descent from Thomas le Despenser, or a marriage of
Thomas or his son Hugh (among two possibilities) I have
been unable to determine as yet.

Should anyone of the list have further evidence or
suggestions, that would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

John *



NOTES

[1] Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds IV:48,
no. 6519.

[2] Calendar of Patent Rolls 16 Edw II, p. 318, mem. 2d.

[3] Moor, Knights of Edward I, I:303.

[4] Moor, ibid.

[5] Papworth, An Alphabetical Dictionary of Coats of Arms
(1874), II:1041.

[6] Joseph Foster, Some Feudal Coats of Arms from Heraldic
Rolls 1298-1418, p. 82.


* John P. Ravilious

Douglas Richardson

Sir Hugh le Despenser's kinsman, Sir Alan de Ellesfeld

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 04 nov 2007 04:38:39

Dear John ~

The identity of the Hugh le Despenser who granted the manor of Ernesby
to his kinsman, Alan de Elsefeld, is doubtless Sir Hugh le Despenser
the elder, Earl of Winchester.

Another document involving the senior Hugh le Despenser and Sir Alan
de "Ellesfeld" can be found in Desc. Cat. of Ancient Deeds, 4 (1902):
89. This item can be found at the the following weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?id=h-IrAA ... lesfeld%22

The identity of the grantor, Sir Hugh le Despenser, in this document
is certain, as the Philip le Despenser who is called his "son" is
known to have been a younger son of Sir Hugh le Despenser, Earl of
Winchester.

Likewise, this record can be dated as being c.1294, as indicated by
the following record:

PRO Document, E 42/63, Letters patent of Hugh le Despenser, knight,
appointing Richard de Louctheburg, rector of the same church [sic] as
guardian of Philip his son, a minor, to receive seisin of the manors
of Parlington, Yorkshire and Alkborough (Hauctebarg), Lincolnshire.
Date: 24 June 1294 [Reference: http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk].

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

P.S. The weblink for the document you cited in your original post is:

http://books.google.com/books?id=h-IrAA ... 2#PPA48,M1


On Nov 3, 7:05 pm, "John P. Ravilious" <ther...@aol.com> wrote:
Saturday, 3 November, 2007

Hello All,

I recently noted the record of a grant (undated) which
refers to a relative of one Hugh le Despenser, the extract
of which states:

' Leic. A. 6519. Grant by Hugh le Despenser, to his
kinsman, Sir Alan de Elsefeld, for his life, of the manor
of Ernesby, with the cattle, &c. thereon.
Witnesses: - Sirs Robert le Waleys, William le Waleys,
John de Folevill, and John le Faucone, knights, and
others (named). Seal of arms.' [1]

The foregoing certainly provides no detail as to how Sir
Alan de Elsefeld was related to Hugh le Despenser. However,
despite the lack of a date, it does appear most likely that
either Hugh le Despenser, Earl of Winchester (exe. 1326) or
his son Hugh (exe. 1326) was the grantor in this deed.
There is a record in the Patent Rolls dated at York,
28 June 1323 of a commission of oyer and terminer on a
complaint against ' Alan de Ellesfeld and Richard his
brother ' [among others] concerning an alleged assault in
Aylesbury, co. Buckingham [2]. An 'Alayn de Ellesfeld' is
numbered by Moor among the 'Knights of Edward I', and may
well have been his father or an otherwise near relation
if not the same individual [3].

In addition to the statement in the above grant that
Sir Alan de Ellesfeld (or Elsefeld) was Hugh le Despenser's
kinsman, there is intriguing heraldic evidence that appears
to support this. The Despenser arms (undifferenced) are
known to have been 'Quarterly argent and gules, 2nd and 3rd
fretty or, over all a bend sable.' The arms given by Moor
for Alayn de Ellesfeld are virtually identical, the one
difference being a charge on the bend(let) sable:

' Quarterly arg. and gu. In 2nd and 3rd qrs a fret
or. Over all a bendlet sa. charged with 3 mullets
of 6 points or (Segar). ' [4]

Papworth gives these same arms for the family 'Elford',
which may well descend from the above Sir Alan de Ellesfeld
[5]. The similarity of the arms of Ellesfeld and Despenser
to those of Dutton of Dutton may be noted on the same page
in Papworth: the Dutton arms are the same, less the bend
sable. Joseph Foster may have made too close a connection,
or may have known some other detail which I have not seen,
as his description of the arms of Alan de Ellesfeld states,

' Ellesfeld, Alayn de - (E. I. Roll) bore,
DUTTON, over all on a bendlet sable three
mullets (6) of the third (or). (F.) Segar Roll.' [6]

There is a long-standing tradition that the Duttons
descended from a marriage of an ancestor to a Muriel
'Despencer', daughter of Thomas, for which I have seen no
support to date. There may in fact be some relationship
between the Despenser and Ellesfeld families to the Duttons
that would explain the foregoing evidence, but whether from
a Dutton descent from Thomas le Despenser, or a marriage of
Thomas or his son Hugh (among two possibilities) I have
been unable to determine as yet.

Should anyone of the list have further evidence or
suggestions, that would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

John *

NOTES

[1] Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds IV:48,
no. 6519.

[2] Calendar of Patent Rolls 16 Edw II, p. 318, mem. 2d.

[3] Moor, Knights of Edward I, I:303.

[4] Moor, ibid.

[5] Papworth, An Alphabetical Dictionary of Coats of Arms
(1874), II:1041.

[6] Joseph Foster, Some Feudal Coats of Arms from Heraldic
Rolls 1298-1418, p. 82.

* John P. Ravilious

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