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Female Joe or Zoe

Legg inn av jj206 » 31 okt 2007 00:33:04

Just curious how to report over a thousand errors on
Ancestry.com and Heritage Quest ?

I have found over 3,186 Female Joe's on both of these
databases, and they all look like Zoe to me when I look
at the census pages. Just curious if there was a way
to notify these two companies of the errors. I have
both databases at the library, but I don't see a way
to report errors.

take care,

Jonathan

Hugh Watkins

Re: Female Joe or Zoe

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 31 okt 2007 03:16:21

jj206 wrote:

Just curious how to report over a thousand errors on
Ancestry.com and Heritage Quest ?

I have found over 3,186 Female Joe's on both of these
databases, and they all look like Zoe to me when I look
at the census pages. Just curious if there was a way
to notify these two companies of the errors. I have
both databases at the library, but I don't see a way
to report errors.

no you have to be logged on as an individual user


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Re: Female Joe or Zoe

Legg inn av fredlonsdale@gmail.com » 31 okt 2007 16:38:23

On Oct 30, 7:33 pm, jj206 <jj...@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com>
wrote:
Just curious how to report over a thousand errors on
Ancestry.com and Heritage Quest ?

I have found over 3,186 Female Joe's on both of these
databases, and they all look like Zoe to me when I look
at the census pages. Just curious if there was a way
to notify these two companies of the errors. I have
both databases at the library, but I don't see a way
to report errors.

take care,

Jonathan

Joe is a common nickname for Josephine, Johannah and possibly other
names. The enumerator would write down the name given as he or she
understood it. So I do not think you can say all were errors.

I cannot address the Joe versus Zoe issue without actually seeing an
example. But I do not think Zoe is not that common a name. Have you
looked at other names that definitely begin with Z and other names
that definitely begin with J (like John) for a particular enumerator
in a particular census? Writing styles have changed over the years.
Also, individual enumerators have there own little quirks. I have seen
special symbols used for 'ss' and other double letter combinations in
early census's.

As the other replier said, you have to be an individual Ancestry
subscriber to report probable or known errors.

Fred

jj206

Re: Female Joe or Zoe

Legg inn av jj206 » 12 nov 2007 09:59:54

fredlonsdale@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 30, 7:33 pm, jj206 <jj...@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com
wrote:
Just curious how to report over a thousand errors on
Ancestry.com and Heritage Quest ?

I have found over 3,186 Female Joe's on both of these
databases, and they all look like Zoe to me when I look
at the census pages. Just curious if there was a way
to notify these two companies of the errors. I have
both databases at the library, but I don't see a way
to report errors.

take care,

Jonathan

Joe is a common nickname for Josephine, Johannah and possibly other
names. The enumerator would write down the name given as he or she
understood it. So I do not think you can say all were errors.

I cannot address the Joe versus Zoe issue without actually seeing an
example. But I do not think Zoe is not that common a name. Have you
looked at other names that definitely begin with Z and other names
that definitely begin with J (like John) for a particular enumerator
in a particular census? Writing styles have changed over the years.
Also, individual enumerators have there own little quirks. I have seen
special symbols used for 'ss' and other double letter combinations in
early census's.

As the other replier said, you have to be an individual Ancestry
subscriber to report probable or known errors.

Fred


Hi Fred,

I've never seen Josephine, Johannah shortened to Joe before. I've only seen
it shortened to Jo.

If you want to look at the errors. Then just search ancestry for Joe first
name and blank last name and choose female and then search.

Jonathan

Dennis

Re: Female Joe or Zoe

Legg inn av Dennis » 12 nov 2007 13:49:50

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:59:54 -0800, jj206
<jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote:

fredlonsdale@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 30, 7:33 pm, jj206 <jj...@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com
wrote:
Just curious how to report over a thousand errors on
Ancestry.com and Heritage Quest ?

I have found over 3,186 Female Joe's on both of these
databases, and they all look like Zoe to me when I look
at the census pages. Just curious if there was a way
to notify these two companies of the errors. I have
both databases at the library, but I don't see a way
to report errors.

take care,

Jonathan

Joe is a common nickname for Josephine, Johannah and possibly other
names. The enumerator would write down the name given as he or she
understood it. So I do not think you can say all were errors.

I cannot address the Joe versus Zoe issue without actually seeing an
example. But I do not think Zoe is not that common a name. Have you
looked at other names that definitely begin with Z and other names
that definitely begin with J (like John) for a particular enumerator
in a particular census? Writing styles have changed over the years.
Also, individual enumerators have there own little quirks. I have seen
special symbols used for 'ss' and other double letter combinations in
early census's.

As the other replier said, you have to be an individual Ancestry
subscriber to report probable or known errors.

Fred


Hi Fred,

I've never seen Josephine, Johannah shortened to Joe before. I've only seen
it shortened to Jo.

If you want to look at the errors. Then just search ancestry for Joe first
name and blank last name and choose female and then search.

Jonathan

I followed your instructions and looked at a few of the actual images
and they looked like Joe to me. You will have to supply specifics.

If you have a personal ancestry.com subscription you can report
transcription errors (one at a time).

--

Dennis

jj206

Re: Female Joe or Zoe

Legg inn av jj206 » 12 nov 2007 21:25:53

Dennis wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:59:54 -0800, jj206
jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote:

fredlonsdale@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 30, 7:33 pm, jj206 <jj...@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com
wrote:
Just curious how to report over a thousand errors on
Ancestry.com and Heritage Quest ?

I have found over 3,186 Female Joe's on both of these
databases, and they all look like Zoe to me when I look
at the census pages. Just curious if there was a way
to notify these two companies of the errors. I have
both databases at the library, but I don't see a way
to report errors.

take care,

Jonathan
Joe is a common nickname for Josephine, Johannah and possibly other
names. The enumerator would write down the name given as he or she
understood it. So I do not think you can say all were errors.

I cannot address the Joe versus Zoe issue without actually seeing an
example. But I do not think Zoe is not that common a name. Have you
looked at other names that definitely begin with Z and other names
that definitely begin with J (like John) for a particular enumerator
in a particular census? Writing styles have changed over the years.
Also, individual enumerators have there own little quirks. I have seen
special symbols used for 'ss' and other double letter combinations in
early census's.

As the other replier said, you have to be an individual Ancestry
subscriber to report probable or known errors.

Fred

Hi Fred,

I've never seen Josephine, Johannah shortened to Joe before. I've only seen
it shortened to Jo.

If you want to look at the errors. Then just search ancestry for Joe first
name and blank last name and choose female and then search.

Jonathan

I followed your instructions and looked at a few of the actual images
and they looked like Joe to me. You will have to supply specifics.

If you have a personal ancestry.com subscription you can report
transcription errors (one at a time).


Here is one example of a Zoe/Joe that got fixed.
I asked to have this one fixed. I guess maybe ancestry and
HG are on the case looking into these. Nice to see.
I used this web page to submit about a dozen errors that I
saw.

http://proquest.com/techsupport/tech-contact.shtml

SMITH ZOE 31 F W IN KS WYANDOTTE 6-WD KANSAS CITY 1900

The J in cursive is so similar to Z.

http://www.sasked.gov.sk.ca/docs/ela/images/cursive.gif

Did enumerators have to take a legibility cursive writing test back then ?

Hmmmm....

Jonathan

Ron Head

Re: Female Joe or Zoe

Legg inn av Ron Head » 13 nov 2007 03:42:51

"jj206" <jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote in message
news:1193787155.100084@bubbleator.drizzle.com...
Just curious how to report over a thousand errors on
Ancestry.com and Heritage Quest ?

I have found over 3,186 Female Joe's on both of these
databases, and they all look like Zoe to me when I look
at the census pages. Just curious if there was a way
to notify these two companies of the errors. I have
both databases at the library, but I don't see a way
to report errors.

take care,

Jonathan

Jonathan, in looking at the 1880 census on Ancestry.com, I checked the
females named "Joe" and noticed during a quick scan that in all cases but
one (Joe Toy--in a long list of Chinese names), the female name "Joe" was
either listed as "Mrs. Joe SURNAME" or in combination with another name,
e.g. "Joe Anna," "Joe Ellen," "Ella Joe," "Mary Joe."

I suggest that the "Mrs. Joe SURNAME" listings are those of females married
to Joe SURNAME, and that the others, with the double names, are just that,
and not "Zoe's."

Notice that when you search for females named "Zoe" in 1880, there are many
of them, but the vast majority have the single name: "Zoe" SURNAME.

I would probably consider the possibility that a female "Joe SURNAME"
(without the "Mrs." or double name) might be a faulty transcription, but
otherwise, the Joe Anna's, Martha Joe's, and Annie Joe's are just that,
whether or not we would spell them that way now. (The ladies themselves
probably didn't spell their names that way then; the census takers seem to
spell many names in quite creative fashions!)

dave

Re: Female Joe or Zoe

Legg inn av dave » 13 nov 2007 04:31:31

I can't attest to standard practices but - I had a great aunt (1881-1971)
who 'went' by the name 'Joe', a memorial stone in the family cemetery is
also Joe; but then she was rather unconventional, being an M. D. in Pa. Her
birth record indicates her given name was 'Johanna' but no one that I've
spoken with knew that.


"Ron Head" <ronhead@knology.net> wrote in message
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"jj206" <jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote in message
news:1193787155.100084@bubbleator.drizzle.com...
Just curious how to report over a thousand errors on
Ancestry.com and Heritage Quest ?

I have found over 3,186 Female Joe's on both of these
databases, and they all look like Zoe to me when I look
at the census pages. Just curious if there was a way
to notify these two companies of the errors. I have
both databases at the library, but I don't see a way
to report errors.

take care,

Jonathan

Jonathan, in looking at the 1880 census on Ancestry.com, I checked the
females named "Joe" and noticed during a quick scan that in all cases but
one (Joe Toy--in a long list of Chinese names), the female name "Joe" was
either listed as "Mrs. Joe SURNAME" or in combination with another name,
e.g. "Joe Anna," "Joe Ellen," "Ella Joe," "Mary Joe."

I suggest that the "Mrs. Joe SURNAME" listings are those of females
married to Joe SURNAME, and that the others, with the double names, are
just that, and not "Zoe's."

Notice that when you search for females named "Zoe" in 1880, there are
many of them, but the vast majority have the single name: "Zoe" SURNAME.

I would probably consider the possibility that a female "Joe SURNAME"
(without the "Mrs." or double name) might be a faulty transcription, but
otherwise, the Joe Anna's, Martha Joe's, and Annie Joe's are just that,
whether or not we would spell them that way now. (The ladies themselves
probably didn't spell their names that way then; the census takers seem to
spell many names in quite creative fashions!)

jj206

Re: Female Joe or Zoe

Legg inn av jj206 » 13 nov 2007 11:41:02

dave wrote:
I can't attest to standard practices but - I had a great aunt (1881-1971)
who 'went' by the name 'Joe', a memorial stone in the family cemetery is
also Joe; but then she was rather unconventional, being an M. D. in Pa. Her
birth record indicates her given name was 'Johanna' but no one that I've
spoken with knew that.


Thanks for that ! Learn something new everyday. *smile*

Jonathan




"Ron Head" <ronhead@knology.net> wrote in message
news:b14b3$47390f57$18ec42f1$12364@KNOLOGY.NET...
"jj206" <jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote in message
news:1193787155.100084@bubbleator.drizzle.com...
Just curious how to report over a thousand errors on
Ancestry.com and Heritage Quest ?

I have found over 3,186 Female Joe's on both of these
databases, and they all look like Zoe to me when I look
at the census pages. Just curious if there was a way
to notify these two companies of the errors. I have
both databases at the library, but I don't see a way
to report errors.

take care,

Jonathan
Jonathan, in looking at the 1880 census on Ancestry.com, I checked the
females named "Joe" and noticed during a quick scan that in all cases but
one (Joe Toy--in a long list of Chinese names), the female name "Joe" was
either listed as "Mrs. Joe SURNAME" or in combination with another name,
e.g. "Joe Anna," "Joe Ellen," "Ella Joe," "Mary Joe."

I suggest that the "Mrs. Joe SURNAME" listings are those of females
married to Joe SURNAME, and that the others, with the double names, are
just that, and not "Zoe's."

Notice that when you search for females named "Zoe" in 1880, there are
many of them, but the vast majority have the single name: "Zoe" SURNAME.

I would probably consider the possibility that a female "Joe SURNAME"
(without the "Mrs." or double name) might be a faulty transcription, but
otherwise, the Joe Anna's, Martha Joe's, and Annie Joe's are just that,
whether or not we would spell them that way now. (The ladies themselves
probably didn't spell their names that way then; the census takers seem to
spell many names in quite creative fashions!)



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