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College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av dwidget71 » 30 okt 2007 22:58:07

I am working on an assignment for my project management class. My
group has decided to create a mock genealogy software program. We
have to demonstrate why we deserve financing for our project and how
it would be competitive with other software programs. So, I was
hoping that I could get some real world answers as to what kinds of
things you think are lacking from the current genealogy software
programs out there. I actually do some genealogy research so I have
some ideas, but it would be nice to get some outside input. Thanks in
advance for taking the time to help out.

Hugh Watkins

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 30 okt 2007 23:08:31

dwidget71 wrote:

I am working on an assignment for my project management class. My
group has decided to create a mock genealogy software program. We
have to demonstrate why we deserve financing for our project and how
it would be competitive with other software programs. So, I was
hoping that I could get some real world answers as to what kinds of
things you think are lacking from the current genealogy software
programs out there. I actually do some genealogy research so I have
some ideas, but it would be nice to get some outside input. Thanks in
advance for taking the time to help out.

you better get DEMOs of popular programs and try them out


there used to be some comparison web pages
so if you make a new website listing features it could be popular

the trend is away from genealogy to family history and local history

some of the best programs like PAF are free
so a new competitor needs to shine

written in java to be OS agnostic for example

Hugh W


--
For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and
district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/

http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

jj206

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av jj206 » 31 okt 2007 03:13:23

dwidget71 wrote:
I am working on an assignment for my project management class. My
group has decided to create a mock genealogy software program. We
have to demonstrate why we deserve financing for our project and how
it would be competitive with other software programs. So, I was
hoping that I could get some real world answers as to what kinds of
things you think are lacking from the current genealogy software
programs out there. I actually do some genealogy research so I have
some ideas, but it would be nice to get some outside input. Thanks in
advance for taking the time to help out.


Things that I like in a family tree program.

1. Little photo beside the name and storage space for other family photos
and grave marker photos also.

2. Automatic word fill in. If I have a family with 10 kids, it gets tiring
to type in the city, county, and state and country over and over again.
Some programs start filling in cities for me, if I have typed them in
before that is.

3. Font size. Some programs don't let me change the font sizes or colors
for that matter. If I know my gma likes green and blue, then I would like
to print out her tree with green and blue lines.

4. Some programs double check my work for me. If I accidently type in that
the mother was only 6 years old when they gave birth to their first child,
then I know there is a typo there somewhere to fix.

good luck in school,

Jonathan

Steve Hayes

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 31 okt 2007 04:40:06

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:58:07 -0700, dwidget71 <stacyjomoorhead@hotmail.com>
wrote:

I am working on an assignment for my project management class. My
group has decided to create a mock genealogy software program. We
have to demonstrate why we deserve financing for our project and how
it would be competitive with other software programs. So, I was
hoping that I could get some real world answers as to what kinds of
things you think are lacking from the current genealogy software
programs out there. I actually do some genealogy research so I have
some ideas, but it would be nice to get some outside input. Thanks in
advance for taking the time to help out.

Why not create a "six degrees" program instead?

There are many genealogy programs available, but no six degrees programs.

One often sees requests for genealogy programs to make provision for
non-genealogical relationships, such as adoptive parents and children,
domestic partnerships and the like.

Why not create a kind of "biographer" program that will include friends,
acquantances, work colleagues, teachers, Facebook "friends" in addition to
biological relationships?

You could arrange for it to import biological relationships via a GEDCOM file,
but then add other material from there
--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

T.M. Sommers

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av T.M. Sommers » 31 okt 2007 06:12:19

Steve Hayes wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:58:07 -0700, dwidget71 <stacyjomoorhead@hotmail.com
wrote:

I am working on an assignment for my project management class. My
group has decided to create a mock genealogy software program. We
have to demonstrate why we deserve financing for our project and how
it would be competitive with other software programs. So, I was
hoping that I could get some real world answers as to what kinds of
things you think are lacking from the current genealogy software
programs out there. I actually do some genealogy research so I have
some ideas, but it would be nice to get some outside input. Thanks in
advance for taking the time to help out.

Why not create a "six degrees" program instead?

There are many genealogy programs available, but no six degrees programs.

One often sees requests for genealogy programs to make provision for
non-genealogical relationships, such as adoptive parents and children,
domestic partnerships and the like.

Why not create a kind of "biographer" program that will include friends,
acquantances, work colleagues, teachers, Facebook "friends" in addition to
biological relationships?

You could arrange for it to import biological relationships via a GEDCOM file,
but then add other material from there

GEDCOM already has the ASSO (for 'associates') tag and structure
that can be used to link friends, etc., together.

--
Thomas M. Sommers -- tms@nj.net -- AB2SB

Steve Hayes

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 31 okt 2007 10:10:05

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:12:19 -0500, "T.M. Sommers" <tms@nj.net> wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote:
Why not create a "six degrees" program instead?

There are many genealogy programs available, but no six degrees programs.

GEDCOM already has the ASSO (for 'associates') tag and structure
that can be used to link friends, etc., together.

Well, all that is needed is a program to use the data.


--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

Hugh Watkins

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 31 okt 2007 14:27:31

Steve Hayes wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:58:07 -0700, dwidget71 <stacyjomoorhead@hotmail.com
wrote:


I am working on an assignment for my project management class. My
group has decided to create a mock genealogy software program. We
have to demonstrate why we deserve financing for our project and how
it would be competitive with other software programs. So, I was
hoping that I could get some real world answers as to what kinds of
things you think are lacking from the current genealogy software
programs out there. I actually do some genealogy research so I have
some ideas, but it would be nice to get some outside input. Thanks in
advance for taking the time to help out.


Why not create a "six degrees" program instead?

There are many genealogy programs available, but no six degrees programs.

One often sees requests for genealogy programs to make provision for
non-genealogical relationships, such as adoptive parents and children,
domestic partnerships and the like.

Why not create a kind of "biographer" program that will include friends,
acquantances, work colleagues, teachers, Facebook "friends" in addition to
biological relationships?

You could arrange for it to import biological relationships via a GEDCOM file,
but then add other material from there

exactly how I used Family Tree MAker from day one

I input all my mother's and my grandfather's friends as well as our
relations from their birthday books

Hugh W
--
For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and
district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/

http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

singhals

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av singhals » 31 okt 2007 16:44:14

dwidget71 wrote:
I am working on an assignment for my project management class. My
group has decided to create a mock genealogy software program. We
have to demonstrate why we deserve financing for our project and how
it would be competitive with other software programs. So, I was
hoping that I could get some real world answers as to what kinds of
things you think are lacking from the current genealogy software
programs out there. I actually do some genealogy research so I have
some ideas, but it would be nice to get some outside input. Thanks in
advance for taking the time to help out.




It would be nice to have a feature that would allow me to a
person, and click a button that says relationship to: and
select niece/nephew, grandchild, stepsib, half-sib ...
whatever without my having to know WHO specifically the
connecting party is.

A will that names 6 grandsons each with a different surname,
or a note in the wedding article that the ushers are the
groom's cousins ... desperately needs such a link!

Also nice would be a print-feature that allows different
colors for different purposes (I like peacock blue for men,
azelea pink for women) or for different portions of a chart
(the fan charts would be improved with color backgrounds for
different surnames).

A sanity-check that forbids a woman over 60 having a child
before 1999; that forbids a woman under 10 from having a
child; that forbids a woman dead 10 years from having a
child; that forbids a man having a father, brother, uncle
and first cousin the same name and age as himself ...

Cheryl

T.M. Sommers

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av T.M. Sommers » 31 okt 2007 17:12:46

singhals wrote:
A sanity-check that forbids a woman over 60 having a child before 1999;
that forbids a woman under 10 from having a child; that forbids a woman
dead 10 years from having a child; that forbids a man having a father,
brother, uncle and first cousin the same name and age as himself ...

Sanity checks are fine, but they should not actually forbid
anything, they should just point out the possible insanities,
because sometimes the data are insane, but it is not clear just
where the error is. When the census lists the mother's age as 18
and the child's age as 9, is the mother's age wrong, or the
child's, or is the the child from the father's first marriage?
If the software forbids the entry of the data as is, then you
either have to omit the family entirely, or arbitrarily alter the
data, rather than entering the data as is and pointing out the
problem in the notes.

--
Thomas M. Sommers -- tms@nj.net -- AB2SB

CWatters

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av CWatters » 31 okt 2007 18:32:22

"dwidget71" <stacyjomoorhead@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1193781487.717267.188030@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
I am working on an assignment for my project management class. My
group has decided to create a mock genealogy software program. We
have to demonstrate why we deserve financing for our project and how
it would be competitive with other software programs. So, I was
hoping that I could get some real world answers as to what kinds of
things you think are lacking from the current genealogy software
programs out there. I actually do some genealogy research so I have
some ideas, but it would be nice to get some outside input. Thanks in
advance for taking the time to help out.

I'd like a program that allows you to move boxes around on the page after
you have generated a tree from the database (yes I know some allow that
BUT). In addition I'd like it to remember those manual changes so that if I
add people to the database I don't have to repeat all the manual changes.
All the progs I've tried make you start over. This feature would be useful
when printing a large tree or a tree containing everyone in the database.

CWatters

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av CWatters » 31 okt 2007 18:34:00

"Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Why not create a kind of "biographer" program that will include friends,
acquantances, work colleagues, teachers, Facebook "friends" in addition to
biological relationships?

I believe the police have such a program. Used to spot relationships between
criminals.

Hugh Watkins

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 31 okt 2007 22:31:25

T.M. Sommers wrote:

singhals wrote:


A sanity-check that forbids a woman over 60 having a child before
1999; that forbids a woman under 10 from having a child; that forbids
a woman dead 10 years from having a child; that forbids a man having a
father, brother, uncle and first cousin the same name and age as
himself ...


Sanity checks are fine, but they should not actually forbid anything,
they should just point out the possible insanities, because sometimes
the data are insane, but it is not clear just where the error is. When
the census lists the mother's age as 18 and the child's age as 9,


typically a transcription error for nine months

is the
mother's age wrong, or the child's, or is the the child from the
father's first marriage? If the software forbids the entry of the data
as is, then you either have to omit the family entirely, or arbitrarily
alter the data, rather than entering the data as is and pointing out the
problem in the notes.


Hugh W

--
For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and
district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/

http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Christopher Jahn

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 01 nov 2007 02:49:51

dwidget71 <stacyjomoorhead@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1193781487.717267.188030@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:

I am working on an assignment for my project management class.
My group has decided to create a mock genealogy software
program. We have to demonstrate why we deserve financing for
our project and how it would be competitive with other
software programs. So, I was hoping that I could get some
real world answers as to what kinds of things you think are
lacking from the current genealogy software programs out
there. I actually do some genealogy research so I have some
ideas, but it would be nice to get some outside input. Thanks
in advance for taking the time to help out.

I've always thought it would be cool to print out a report on
what each of my ancestors was doing within a given time frame.
Not just a given family, but a section of the entire family tree
in that moment of time.




--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/

The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and three
hundred sixty-two admonishments to heterosexuals.

T.M. Sommers

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av T.M. Sommers » 01 nov 2007 04:53:11

Christopher Jahn wrote:
dwidget71 <stacyjomoorhead@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1193781487.717267.188030@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:

I am working on an assignment for my project management class.
My group has decided to create a mock genealogy software
program. We have to demonstrate why we deserve financing for
our project and how it would be competitive with other
software programs. So, I was hoping that I could get some
real world answers as to what kinds of things you think are
lacking from the current genealogy software programs out
there. I actually do some genealogy research so I have some
ideas, but it would be nice to get some outside input. Thanks
in advance for taking the time to help out.

I've always thought it would be cool to print out a report on
what each of my ancestors was doing within a given time frame.
Not just a given family, but a section of the entire family tree
in that moment of time.

For things like that, you should check the Lifelines program:

http://lifelines.sourceforge.net/

It has a report language that allows you to create your own reports.

--
Thomas M. Sommers -- tms@nj.net -- AB2SB

Steve Hayes

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 01 nov 2007 08:36:03

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:27:31 +0000, Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com>
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:58:07 -0700, dwidget71 <stacyjomoorhead@hotmail.com
wrote:


I am working on an assignment for my project management class. My
group has decided to create a mock genealogy software program. We
have to demonstrate why we deserve financing for our project and how
it would be competitive with other software programs. So, I was
hoping that I could get some real world answers as to what kinds of
things you think are lacking from the current genealogy software
programs out there. I actually do some genealogy research so I have
some ideas, but it would be nice to get some outside input. Thanks in
advance for taking the time to help out.


Why not create a "six degrees" program instead?

There are many genealogy programs available, but no six degrees programs.

One often sees requests for genealogy programs to make provision for
non-genealogical relationships, such as adoptive parents and children,
domestic partnerships and the like.

Why not create a kind of "biographer" program that will include friends,
acquantances, work colleagues, teachers, Facebook "friends" in addition to
biological relationships?

You could arrange for it to import biological relationships via a GEDCOM file,
but then add other material from there

exactly how I used Family Tree MAker from day one

And how did it link them?

I input all my mother's and my grandfather's friends as well as our
relations from their birthday books

--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

Lesley Robertson

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Lesley Robertson » 01 nov 2007 10:11:18

"T.M. Sommers" <tms@nj.net> wrote in message
news:4728a97e$0$30097$470ef3ce@news.pa.net...
singhals wrote:

A sanity-check that forbids a woman over 60 having a child before 1999;
that forbids a woman under 10 from having a child; that forbids a woman
dead 10 years from having a child; that forbids a man having a father,
brother, uncle and first cousin the same name and age as himself ...

Sanity checks are fine, but they should not actually forbid anything, they
should just point out the possible insanities, because sometimes the data
are insane, but it is not clear just where the error is.

And sometimes it's not an error. My family includes at least 1 Uncle/Nephew
pair with identical names (3 forenames plus surname) where the Uncle is the
younger of the two, for example (the nephew is the child of the oldest sib,
the uncle belongs to the youngest (who's.over 20 years younger).
Lesley Robertson

Graeme Wall

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Graeme Wall » 01 nov 2007 10:40:01

In message <13ihf27pveskhee@corp.supernews.com>
"CWatters" <colin.watters@turnersoak.plus.com> wrote:

"Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f6ufi3pdcir5p1tguui31on91hdvjou71q@4ax.com...
Why not create a kind of "biographer" program that will include friends,
acquantances, work colleagues, teachers, Facebook "friends" in addition
to biological relationships?

I believe the police have such a program. Used to spot relationships
between criminals.



And costs many thousands of pounds.

--
Graeme Wall

My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/geneology>

Jane Benn

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Jane Benn » 01 nov 2007 13:16:59

Lesley Robertson wrote:
"T.M. Sommers" <tms@nj.net> wrote in message
news:4728a97e$0$30097$470ef3ce@news.pa.net...
singhals wrote:

A sanity-check that forbids a woman over 60 having a child before
1999; that forbids a woman under 10 from having a child; that
forbids a woman dead 10 years from having a child; that forbids a
man having a father, brother, uncle and first cousin the same name
and age as himself ...

Sanity checks are fine, but they should not actually forbid
anything, they should just point out the possible insanities,
because sometimes the data are insane, but it is not clear just
where the error is.

And sometimes it's not an error. My family includes at least 1
Uncle/Nephew pair with identical names (3 forenames plus surname)
where the Uncle is the younger of the two, for example (the nephew is
the child of the oldest sib, the uncle belongs to the youngest
(who's.over 20 years younger). Lesley Robertson

So true.

I had a very difficult time figuring out which of a group of women was my
gggg grandmother. There was a woman who had a first cousin, and two nieces
(her two oldest brothers' daughters), all born within a two year period
within a few miles of one another, and with the same given names.

The use of the same names within families can make it difficult, but can
also be an advantage, if you are lucky enough to have an unusual given name
that gets passed down, because when you happen across it, you know the lead
is probably worth pursuing.

--
Jane

Dave Herrmann

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Dave Herrmann » 01 nov 2007 13:58:12

Christoipher,

Here's a different thought for your project. Consider creating the genealogy
program in the U3 ( http://www.u3.com ) format.
I have not found any developer who has created any kind of genealogy program
in this format which, imho is very strange
because I would love to be able to carry all my info on a flash drive which
is useable in any computer with a USB port. And
it does not require any programs on the pc to run it.

Dave

PS to All: If there is any U3 genealogy software out there please advise.

"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
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"T.M. Sommers" <tms@nj.net> wrote in message
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singhals wrote:

A sanity-check that forbids a woman over 60 having a child before 1999;
that forbids a woman under 10 from having a child; that forbids a woman
dead 10 years from having a child; that forbids a man having a father,
brother, uncle and first cousin the same name and age as himself ...

Sanity checks are fine, but they should not actually forbid anything,
they should just point out the possible insanities, because sometimes the
data are insane, but it is not clear just where the error is.

And sometimes it's not an error. My family includes at least 1
Uncle/Nephew pair with identical names (3 forenames plus surname) where
the Uncle is the younger of the two, for example (the nephew is the child
of the oldest sib, the uncle belongs to the youngest (who's.over 20 years
younger).
Lesley Robertson


Pat

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Pat » 01 nov 2007 16:00:10

"dwidget71" <stacyjomoorhead@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1193781487.717267.188030@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
I am working on an assignment for my project management class.

It would be nice to create a report -- such as an ancestor report -- and
copy it into Word or some similar program and edit it to look the way I
want.

Sources that are tailored to the source type (ie, census, will) as well as a
generic type

Same sex relationship that allows the gender of the partners to be the same
(in many existing genealogy programs the name input on the left is
automatically classed as male and the name on the right classed as female).
Perhaps this would better be stated as "ability to indicate gender" as
opposed to gender being automatically assigned.

Good luck!
Patricia

Scruffy McScruffovitch

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Scruffy McScruffovitch » 01 nov 2007 16:08:00

"Pat" <pjwenzel@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"dwidget71" <stacyjomoorhead@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1193781487.717267.188030@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
I am working on an assignment for my project management class.

It would be nice to create a report -- such as an ancestor report -- and
copy it into Word or some similar program and edit it to look the way I
want.

Sources that are tailored to the source type (ie, census, will) as well as
a generic type

Same sex relationship that allows the gender of the partners to be the
same (in many existing genealogy programs the name input on the left is
automatically classed as male and the name on the right classed as
female). Perhaps this would better be stated as "ability to indicate
gender" as opposed to gender being automatically assigned.

Good luck!
Patricia


If I'm not mistaken, Legacy 6.0 will let you export the ancestry reports to
..rtf format, which Word will open and you should be able to edit it in
anyway you wish from there, then save it either back to .rtf, or to a .doc
file.

Hugh Watkins

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 01 nov 2007 19:15:34

Steve Hayes wrote:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:27:31 +0000, Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com
wrote:


Steve Hayes wrote:


On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:58:07 -0700, dwidget71 <stacyjomoorhead@hotmail.com
wrote:



I am working on an assignment for my project management class. My
group has decided to create a mock genealogy software program. We
have to demonstrate why we deserve financing for our project and how
it would be competitive with other software programs. So, I was
hoping that I could get some real world answers as to what kinds of
things you think are lacking from the current genealogy software
programs out there. I actually do some genealogy research so I have
some ideas, but it would be nice to get some outside input. Thanks in
advance for taking the time to help out.


Why not create a "six degrees" program instead?

There are many genealogy programs available, but no six degrees programs.

One often sees requests for genealogy programs to make provision for
non-genealogical relationships, such as adoptive parents and children,
domestic partnerships and the like.

Why not create a kind of "biographer" program that will include friends,
acquantances, work colleagues, teachers, Facebook "friends" in addition to
biological relationships?

You could arrange for it to import biological relationships via a GEDCOM file,
but then add other material from there

exactly how I used Family Tree MAker from day one


And how did it link them?


I input all my mother's and my grandfather's friends as well as our
relations from their birthday books

I just put an abreviation in the birthplace field

go to http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi

and in the birthplace field
AHW
to get ALFRED HENRY WATKINS BIRTHDAY BOOK

http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? ... HW&start=1

and

http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? ... ML&start=1

finds my mother's friends and family too ALISON MARY LAPHAM BIRTHDAY BOOK
she used it from age 7 to age 91

http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? ... MW&start=1
finds the earlier versiosn before I did a find and change in FTM 16

AMW her married initials ALISON MARY WATKINS BRITHDAY
to AML

ALISON MARY LAPHAM BIRTHDAY BOOK

of course both appear in multiplke data bases as my hobby evolved or I
exported a partial set of data to start a special study


http://www.google.com/search?q=ALFRED+HENRY+WATKINS find my grand dad
whom I never met


I do use World Connect as a combination tool with FTM for inspecting
lists and stuff

I will probably upload some comparison databases for version control
then delete them

Hugh W


--
For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and
district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/

http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Hugh Watkins

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 01 nov 2007 19:19:18

Graeme Wall wrote:

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"CWatters" <colin.watters@turnersoak.plus.com> wrote:


"Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Why not create a kind of "biographer" program that will include friends,
acquantances, work colleagues, teachers, Facebook "friends" in addition
to biological relationships?

I believe the police have such a program. Used to spot relationships
between criminals.




And costs many thousands of pounds.


don't forget Tribalpages and other online ways of creating trees

genesreunited

http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/StartPed.aspx is very powerful

and http://www.ancestry.com/community/

http://ancestrypress.ancestry.com/Default.aspx is new


Hugh W


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Hugh Watkins

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 01 nov 2007 19:25:13

Dave Herrmann wrote:

Christoipher,

Here's a different thought for your project. Consider creating the genealogy
program in the U3 ( http://www.u3.com ) format.
I have not found any developer who has created any kind of genealogy program
in this format which, imho is very strange
because I would love to be able to carry all my info on a flash drive which
is useable in any computer with a USB port. And
it does not require any programs on the pc to run it.


I prefer http://wc.rootsweb.com/

see also http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=hedvig_o
Hedvig Pitzner-Jørgensen is 75 and lives in Denmark

She was in Moscow and forgot a critical date

so in the Municipal Cemeteries Office she took out her mobile phone and
looked at her own data

as I do at my own at any archive or library where I am researching

Hugh W

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Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 01 nov 2007 20:16:12

Pat wrote:

"dwidget71" <stacyjomoorhead@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1193781487.717267.188030@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...

I am working on an assignment for my project management class.


It would be nice to create a report -- such as an ancestor report -- and
copy it into Word or some similar program and edit it to look the way I
want.

Sources that are tailored to the source type (ie, census, will) as well as a
generic type

Same sex relationship that allows the gender of the partners to be the same
(in many existing genealogy programs the name input on the left is
automatically classed as male and the name on the right classed as female).
Perhaps this would better be stated as "ability to indicate gender" as
opposed to gender being automatically assigned.

this is a webapge generatd in World Connect and edited in Netscape

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... ather.html

this is a tided up veriosn too
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... other.html

with same sex marrriages created in exports from FTM 16 out of
friendships I wished to remember''

Hugh W



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singhals

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av singhals » 01 nov 2007 22:27:50

Lesley Robertson wrote:

"T.M. Sommers" <tms@nj.net> wrote in message
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singhals wrote:

A sanity-check that forbids a woman over 60 having a child before 1999;
that forbids a woman under 10 from having a child; that forbids a woman
dead 10 years from having a child; that forbids a man having a father,
brother, uncle and first cousin the same name and age as himself ...

Sanity checks are fine, but they should not actually forbid anything, they
should just point out the possible insanities, because sometimes the data
are insane, but it is not clear just where the error is.


And sometimes it's not an error. My family includes at least 1 Uncle/Nephew
pair with identical names (3 forenames plus surname) where the Uncle is the
younger of the two, for example (the nephew is the child of the oldest sib,
the uncle belongs to the youngest (who's.over 20 years younger).
Lesley Robertson



No, no, Lesley. (g) All 5 of those men had the *SAME* data
for name, birth date, and birthplace -- as in:

Joseph Edward Blieux (1)
born: 11 Apr 1788
bp: Philadelpha, Philadelphia, PA.
was the son of:
Joseph Edward Blieux (5)
born: 11 Apr 1788
bp: Philadelpha, Philadelphia, PA.


Joe (1) had a brother,

Joseph Edward Blieux (2)
born: 11 Apr 1788
bp: Philadelpha, Philadelphia, PA.
who was the father of
Joseph Edward Blieux (4)
born: 11 Apr 1788
bp: Philadelpha, Philadelphia, PA.

and Joe (1) was the grandson of
Joseph Edward Blieux (3)
born: 11 Apr 1788
bp: Philadelpha, Philadelphia, PA.
Joe (1) also married in 1946 in New Philadelphia,
and had a son
Joseph E. Blieux (6)
born: 11 Apr 1788
bp: Philadelpha, Philadelphia, PA.

I _still_ haven't managed to correct it, but I can tell
at-a-glance that it's wrong.

Cheryl

Steve Hayes

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 01 nov 2007 22:45:08

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:15:34 +0000, Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com>
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:27:31 +0000, Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com
wrote:


Steve Hayes wrote:


On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:58:07 -0700, dwidget71 <stacyjomoorhead@hotmail.com
wrote:



I am working on an assignment for my project management class. My
group has decided to create a mock genealogy software program. We
have to demonstrate why we deserve financing for our project and how
it would be competitive with other software programs. So, I was
hoping that I could get some real world answers as to what kinds of
things you think are lacking from the current genealogy software
programs out there. I actually do some genealogy research so I have
some ideas, but it would be nice to get some outside input. Thanks in
advance for taking the time to help out.


Why not create a "six degrees" program instead?

There are many genealogy programs available, but no six degrees programs.

One often sees requests for genealogy programs to make provision for
non-genealogical relationships, such as adoptive parents and children,
domestic partnerships and the like.

Why not create a kind of "biographer" program that will include friends,
acquantances, work colleagues, teachers, Facebook "friends" in addition to
biological relationships?

You could arrange for it to import biological relationships via a GEDCOM file,
but then add other material from there

exactly how I used Family Tree MAker from day one


And how did it link them?


I input all my mother's and my grandfather's friends as well as our
relations from their birthday books

I just put an abreviation in the birthplace field

go to http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi

and in the birthplace field
AHW
to get ALFRED HENRY WATKINS BIRTHDAY BOOK


Oh, but that is not at all what I am talking about.

I want to be able to enter a person A whose relationship to B is teacher, and
then list all the pupils taught by A, and all the teachers who taught B, to
give just one example.


--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm
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Steve Hayes

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 01 nov 2007 22:46:04

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:19:18 +0000, Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com>
wrote:

Graeme Wall wrote:

In message <13ihf27pveskhee@corp.supernews.com
"CWatters" <colin.watters@turnersoak.plus.com> wrote:


"Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f6ufi3pdcir5p1tguui31on91hdvjou71q@4ax.com...

Why not create a kind of "biographer" program that will include friends,
acquantances, work colleagues, teachers, Facebook "friends" in addition
to biological relationships?

I believe the police have such a program. Used to spot relationships
between criminals.




And costs many thousands of pounds.


don't forget Tribalpages and other online ways of creating trees
Why not forget them?


They don't do anything like the police program.


--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

Lesley Robertson

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Lesley Robertson » 01 nov 2007 23:12:29

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
news:fI2dnWFNX7VL2bfanZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@rcn.net...
Lesley Robertson wrote:

"T.M. Sommers" <tms@nj.net> wrote in message
news:4728a97e$0$30097$470ef3ce@news.pa.net...

singhals wrote:

A sanity-check that forbids a woman over 60 having a child before 1999;
that forbids a woman under 10 from having a child; that forbids a woman
dead 10 years from having a child; that forbids a man having a father,
brother, uncle and first cousin the same name and age as himself ...

Sanity checks are fine, but they should not actually forbid anything,
they should just point out the possible insanities, because sometimes the
data are insane, but it is not clear just where the error is.


And sometimes it's not an error. My family includes at least 1
Uncle/Nephew pair with identical names (3 forenames plus surname) where
the Uncle is the younger of the two, for example (the nephew is the child
of the oldest sib, the uncle belongs to the youngest (who's.over 20 years
younger).
Lesley Robertson

No, no, Lesley. (g) All 5 of those men had the *SAME* data for name, birth
date, and birthplace -- as in:

Joseph Edward Blieux (1)
born: 11 Apr 1788
bp: Philadelpha, Philadelphia, PA.
was the son of:
Joseph Edward Blieux (5)
born: 11 Apr 1788
bp: Philadelpha, Philadelphia, PA.


Joe (1) had a brother,

Joseph Edward Blieux (2)
born: 11 Apr 1788
bp: Philadelpha, Philadelphia, PA.
who was the father of
Joseph Edward Blieux (4)
born: 11 Apr 1788
bp: Philadelpha, Philadelphia, PA.

and Joe (1) was the grandson of
Joseph Edward Blieux (3)
born: 11 Apr 1788
bp: Philadelpha, Philadelphia, PA.
Joe (1) also married in 1946 in New Philadelphia,
and had a son
Joseph E. Blieux (6)
born: 11 Apr 1788
bp: Philadelpha, Philadelphia, PA.

I _still_ haven't managed to correct it, but I can tell at-a-glance that
it's wrong.


You know, I have a sneaking suspicion that you may be right......
;)
Lesley Robertson

Robert Melson

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 02 nov 2007 00:00:41

In article <0khki393ndr59l9ef2ap5alc5eojpk3ved@4ax.com>,
Steve Hayes <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:15:34 +0000, Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:27:31 +0000, Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com
wrote:


Steve Hayes wrote:


On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:58:07 -0700, dwidget71 <stacyjomoorhead@hotmail.com
wrote:



I am working on an assignment for my project management class. My
group has decided to create a mock genealogy software program. We
have to demonstrate why we deserve financing for our project and how
it would be competitive with other software programs. So, I was
hoping that I could get some real world answers as to what kinds of
things you think are lacking from the current genealogy software
programs out there. I actually do some genealogy research so I have
some ideas, but it would be nice to get some outside input. Thanks in
advance for taking the time to help out.


Why not create a "six degrees" program instead?

There are many genealogy programs available, but no six degrees programs.

One often sees requests for genealogy programs to make provision for
non-genealogical relationships, such as adoptive parents and children,
domestic partnerships and the like.

Why not create a kind of "biographer" program that will include friends,
acquantances, work colleagues, teachers, Facebook "friends" in addition to
biological relationships?

You could arrange for it to import biological relationships via a GEDCOM file,
but then add other material from there

exactly how I used Family Tree MAker from day one


And how did it link them?


I input all my mother's and my grandfather's friends as well as our
relations from their birthday books

I just put an abreviation in the birthplace field

go to http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi

and in the birthplace field
AHW
to get ALFRED HENRY WATKINS BIRTHDAY BOOK


Oh, but that is not at all what I am talking about.

I want to be able to enter a person A whose relationship to B is teacher, and
then list all the pupils taught by A, and all the teachers who taught B, to
give just one example.


Sounds to me like you want a relational database for data storage.

That, coupled with SQL, would give you the ability you want.
But at what cost? Certainly, not necessarily a software cost, as
there are several open source RDBMSs available, but the cost in
terms of data storage space, learning curve, design, etc.

Dunno about your police program, but I suspect it's a rather
sophisticated application of data-mining to a RDBMS and not for the
faint at heart.

Bob Melson

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
"People unfit for freedom---who cannot do much with it---are
hungry for power." ---Eric Hoffer

Hugh Watkins

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 02 nov 2007 00:04:45

Steve Hayes wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:19:18 +0000, Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com
wrote:


Graeme Wall wrote:


In message <13ihf27pveskhee@corp.supernews.com
"CWatters" <colin.watters@turnersoak.plus.com> wrote:



"Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f6ufi3pdcir5p1tguui31on91hdvjou71q@4ax.com...


Why not create a kind of "biographer" program that will include friends,
acquantances, work colleagues, teachers, Facebook "friends" in addition
to biological relationships?

I believe the police have such a program. Used to spot relationships
between criminals.




And costs many thousands of pounds.


don't forget Tribalpages and other online ways of creating trees

Why not forget them?

They don't do anything like the police program.


they make m0oney for the owners and please their users

Hugh W

--
For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and
district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/

http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Steve Hayes

Re: College Assignment - genealogy software

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 02 nov 2007 04:40:04

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:00:41 -0000, melsonr@aragorn.rgmhome.net (Robert
Melson) wrote:

I want to be able to enter a person A whose relationship to B is teacher, and
then list all the pupils taught by A, and all the teachers who taught B, to
give just one example.


Sounds to me like you want a relational database for data storage.

Which all genealogy programs I've seen are.

That, coupled with SQL, would give you the ability you want.
But at what cost? Certainly, not necessarily a software cost, as
there are several open source RDBMSs available, but the cost in
terms of data storage space, learning curve, design, etc.

Dunno about your police program, but I suspect it's a rather
sophisticated application of data-mining to a RDBMS and not for the
faint at heart.

But since it is an extension of a genealogy program, and it hasn't really been
done before for the general public, it seems to me that if people are doing a
programming exercise that is more than just reinventing the wheel, it might be
a project worth tackling.


--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

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